Swingers & swinging...

[foureyes]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=24077.msg588422#msg588422 date=1212620236]
Yeah I am.


I take it this is the part of the page that you're referring to ?

Racism is a broader experience and practice than racial discrimination. It is an ideology that either directly or indirectly asserts that one group is inherently superior to others. Racism can be openly displayed in racial jokes and slurs or hate crimes, but can also be more deeply rooted in attitudes, values and stereotypical beliefs.

Here's Roger's quote:

An indian/pakistani who practises Kungfu ? Which stance did you master ?

The 'preying mantis' stance ?

Or do you just throw onion bajhees at your opponents ?

How does that assert that Roger's "group" is better than your "group" ?
[/quote]

That paragraph mentions racial slurs or jokes which Rog's comment undeniably was.

But this bit sums it up a little better.

Racial harassment is a form of discrimination. It includes comments, jokes, name-calling, display of pictures or behaviour that insults you, offends you or puts you down because of your race and other related grounds.

 

[keniget]

Heh, I think you should change your custom to "Onion Bajhee Thrower" foureyes.

I could understand getting offended in real life, but on the net and by Roger of all people? He is obviously trying very hard... I'm not sure at what... but at something.

 

[foureyes]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=24077.msg588427#msg588427 date=1212620606]
Heh, I think you should change your custom to "Onion Bajhee Thrower" foureyes.

I could understand getting offended in real life, but on the net and by Roger of all people? He is obviously trying very hard... I'm not sure at what... but at something.
[/quote]


Thank you. To be honest, although it did offend me to some degree, what really did it was his attitude after. It's over now, but i'm finding the discussion fascinating. Rog is just Rog. Poor sod.

 

[Paddy]

I am in love with this thread. A swinging thread to THIS. Fantastic.

I actually don't like been called a spudmuncher mind.

 

[foureyes]

[quote author=Paddy link=topic=24077.msg588429#msg588429 date=1212620863]
I am in love with this thread. A swinging thread to THIS. Fantastic.

I actually don't like been called a spudmuncher mind.
[/quote]

Me too. I'm fucking obsessed with it.

 

[Rosco]

Onion bahji throwing is a racial slur ?

Isn't that taking things to the absolute extreme ?

I genuinely believe that it's laughable to suggest it.

As for the quote you put there, don't you think the element of subjectivity that's introduced in it makes the defintion completely unworkable ?

I prefer to stick with the UNHCR definition, because it's quite rigid and is easily applied. Much like their definition of what a refugee is. Their interpretation is excellent. While they do everything in their power for refugees they implicitly acknowledge what a refugee isn't. I think it's the same here with their definition of racism.

I still don't see how suggesting you might throw an onion bhaji puts you down.

 

[Rosco]

[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588431#msg588431 date=1212620944]
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=24077.msg588429#msg588429 date=1212620863]
I am in love with this thread. A swinging thread to THIS. Fantastic.

I actually don't like been called a spudmuncher mind.
[/quote]

Me too. I'm fucking obsessed with it.
[/quote]

Snap.

I got home at ten o clock this evening, I started work at half eight this morning. I'm absolutely fucking shattered and for the past hour and a half I've been arguing with you.

I'm off to bed. Goodnight.

 

[Oncy]

To be fair it doesnt matter wether or not anyone finds it offensive.
If the person it was aimed at does, is that not enough?
Lots of people get offended by different things, and the decent thing to do is respect that regardless of how ill it sits isnt it?

I can understand both viewpoints, what i dont understand is posters viewing this as a crusade to prove the lad wrong (applause etc).
It offended him, and that should be enough for Rog to have apologised. Thats what a civilized person would do.

 

[foureyes]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=24077.msg588436#msg588436 date=1212621305]
Onion bahji throwing is a racial slur ?

Isn't that taking things to the absolute extreme ?

I genuinely believe that it's laughable to suggest it.

As for the quote you put there, don't you think the element of subjectivity that's introduced in it makes the defintion completely unworkable ?

I prefer to stick with the UNHCR definition, because it's quite rigid and is easily applied. Much like their definition of what a refugee is. Their interpretation is excellent. While they do everything in their power for refugees they implicitly acknowledge what a refugee isn't. I think it's the same here with their definition of racism.

I still don't see how suggesting you might throw an onion bhaji puts you down.

[/quote]

Absofukinlutely.

And that's the bottom line. If I say something to someone of another race and they find it offensive i'd accept that and apologise. But purely because you're not happy with my justification of why it's offensive, it's not good enough to be classed as racist? Says who? Who's to judge? I gave you my explanation, one which my friends and colleagues can associate with yet because it doesn't match your criteria it's not racist. I'll say it again that all my work colleagues found it offensive. I'm sorry mate. But we're not all wrong.

So in future if I make a wise crack about the Irish that you or someone takes offence to, maybe I should just carry on if i'm not happy with their explanation as to why it's offensive. On second thoughts, i'd rather not.

 

[foureyes]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=24077.msg588439#msg588439 date=1212621726]
To be fair it doesnt matter wether or not anyone finds it offensive.
If the person it was aimed at does, is that not enough?
Lots of people get offended by different things, and the decent thing to do is respect that regardless of how ill it sits isnt it?

I can understand both viewpoints, what i dont understand is posters viewing this as a crusade to prove the lad wrong (applause etc).
It offended him, and that should be enough for Rog to have apologised. Thats what a civilized person would do.
[/quote]

Bingo. You are a god.

 

[foureyes]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=24077.msg588437#msg588437 date=1212621430]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588431#msg588431 date=1212620944]
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=24077.msg588429#msg588429 date=1212620863]
I am in love with this thread. A swinging thread to THIS. Fantastic.

I actually don't like been called a spudmuncher mind.
[/quote]

Me too. I'm fucking obsessed with it.
[/quote]

Snap.

I got home at ten o clock this evening, I started work at half eight this morning. I'm absolutely fucking shattered and for the past hour and a half I've been arguing with you.

I'm off to bed. Goodnight.
[/quote]

Haha. Goodnight.

 

[Paddy]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=24077.msg588439#msg588439 date=1212621726]
To be fair it doesnt matter wether or not anyone finds it offensive.
If the person it was aimed at does, is that not enough?
Lots of people get offended by different things, and the decent thing to do is respect that regardless of how ill it sits isnt it?

I can understand both viewpoints, what i dont understand is posters viewing this as a crusade to prove the lad wrong (applause etc).
It offended him, and that should be enough for Rog to have apologised. Thats what a civilized person would do.
[/quote]

In fairness, an Onion bahji wouldn't hurt.

 

[foureyes]

[quote author=Paddy link=topic=24077.msg588443#msg588443 date=1212622039]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=24077.msg588439#msg588439 date=1212621726]
To be fair it doesnt matter wether or not anyone finds it offensive.
If the person it was aimed at does, is that not enough?
Lots of people get offended by different things, and the decent thing to do is respect that regardless of how ill it sits isnt it?

I can understand both viewpoints, what i dont understand is posters viewing this as a crusade to prove the lad wrong (applause etc).
It offended him, and that should be enough for Rog to have apologised. Thats what a civilized person would do.
[/quote]

In fairness, an Onion bahji wouldn't hurt.
[/quote]

A stale one would. It could take your eye out. Ironically, you'd then come running to me to sort your eye out.

 

[Rosco]

[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588440#msg588440 date=1212621758]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=24077.msg588436#msg588436 date=1212621305]
Onion bahji throwing is a racial slur ?

Isn't that taking things to the absolute extreme ?

I genuinely believe that it's laughable to suggest it.

As for the quote you put there, don't you think the element of subjectivity that's introduced in it makes the defintion completely unworkable ?

I prefer to stick with the UNHCR definition, because it's quite rigid and is easily applied. Much like their definition of what a refugee is. Their interpretation is excellent. While they do everything in their power for refugees they implicitly acknowledge what a refugee isn't. I think it's the same here with their definition of racism.

I still don't see how suggesting you might throw an onion bhaji puts you down.

[/quote]

Absofukinlutely.

And that's the bottom line. If I say something to someone of another race and they find it offensive i'd accept that and apologise. But purely because you're not happy with my justification of why it's offensive, it's not good enough to be classed as racist? Says who? Who's to judge? I gave you my explanation, one which my friends and colleagues can associate with yet because it doesn't match your criteria it's not racist. I'll say it again that all my work colleagues found it offensive. I'm sorry mate. But we're not all wrong.

So in future if I make a wise crack about the Irish that you or someone takes offence to, maybe I should just carry on if i'm not happy with their explanation as to why it's offensive. On second thoughts, i'd rather not.
[/quote]


So if someone suggested I'd throw a potato in self defence I should get offended ?

Are you taking the piss or what ?

Look, at no stage tonight have you showed me how Roger is treating you differently from anybody else, how onion bahji throwing is a put down and in some way infers you're inferior to any other group of people. It's a crude reference to the fact that you're of Indian origin. That's all. Referring to somebody as being Indian isn't racist. Inferring that because they're Indian they're inferior is.

Oncy:

With regard to this :
It offended him, and that should be enough for Rog to have apologised. Thats what a civilized person would do.

Nobody is arguing against that.

My initial point was that the leap from something being offensive to it being racist is one that hasn't been shown here.

I hate seeing people level accusations of racism when they are completely unfounded.

 

[foureyes]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=24077.msg588447#msg588447 date=1212622360]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588440#msg588440 date=1212621758]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=24077.msg588436#msg588436 date=1212621305]
Onion bahji throwing is a racial slur ?

Isn't that taking things to the absolute extreme ?

I genuinely believe that it's laughable to suggest it.

As for the quote you put there, don't you think the element of subjectivity that's introduced in it makes the defintion completely unworkable ?

I prefer to stick with the UNHCR definition, because it's quite rigid and is easily applied. Much like their definition of what a refugee is. Their interpretation is excellent. While they do everything in their power for refugees they implicitly acknowledge what a refugee isn't. I think it's the same here with their definition of racism.

I still don't see how suggesting you might throw an onion bhaji puts you down.

[/quote]

Absofukinlutely.

And that's the bottom line. If I say something to someone of another race and they find it offensive i'd accept that and apologise. But purely because you're not happy with my justification of why it's offensive, it's not good enough to be classed as racist? Says who? Who's to judge? I gave you my explanation, one which my friends and colleagues can associate with yet because it doesn't match your criteria it's not racist. I'll say it again that all my work colleagues found it offensive. I'm sorry mate. But we're not all wrong.

So in future if I make a wise crack about the Irish that you or someone takes offence to, maybe I should just carry on if i'm not happy with their explanation as to why it's offensive. On second thoughts, i'd rather not.
[/quote]


So if someone suggested I'd throw a potato in self defence I should get offended ?

Are you taking the piss or what ?

Look, at no stage tonight have you showed me how Roger is treating you differently from anybody else, how onion bahji throwing is a put down and in some way infers you're inferior to any other group of people. It's a crude reference to the fact that you're of Indian origin. That's all. Referring to somebody as being Indian isn't racist. Inferring that because they're Indian they're inferior is.

Oncy:

With regard to this :
It offended him, and that should be enough for Rog to have apologised. Thats what a civilized person would do.

Nobody is arguing against that.

My initial point was that the leap from something being offensive to it being racist is one that hasn't been shown here.

I hate seeing people level accusations of racism when they are completely unfounded.
[/quote]

That's your definition. We don't all have to follow your rules.

Your definition of racial harassment differs from mine and the chaps over in Ontario on the link I posted. It's there in black and white. It's clear. I find it offensive and it's regarding my race. End of.

What you're doing is telling me i'm not allowed to be offended by it. I am. It's regarding my race. It's racist. Maybe I should move to Ontario.

 

[foureyes]

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/current-students/welfare/racial/

Read the first sentence Rosco. I'm sorry but that apples to me in this case. It's clear in that sentence. It caused offence to me and it's regarding my colour/ethnic background.

Google it and you'll come up with a shit load of similar examples. They all basically say the same thing, that if it's found to be offensive by the 'victim' and it's to do with their race/colour etc it's racial harassment.

It's simple.

 

[Mr Moominpoops]

I'd just like to say that my first onion bhaji was a complete disappointment. What's the big deal with these things?

And Ross, I think you quoted OHCHR, quite different from UNCHR.

 

[Mr Moominpoops]

There are so many brilliant moments in this thread.

I can't believe Foureyes called over some guys in his office and asked them whether they thought Roger was racist.

It's also a bit weird that he only asked black and Asian people in his office what they thought. Clearly white people's opinion would have less value.

 

[TheFasterBlade]

[quote author=Mr Moominpoops link=topic=24077.msg588459#msg588459 date=1212625406]
Clearly white people's opinion would have less value.
[/quote]

Hehe.

My, what a big spoon you have.

 

[Roger REDerer]

Ross, how much are your legal fees ? I'm seriously thinking of hiring you as my defendant in this farcical case.

And for those who said I should've apologized, I already did so many pages back. Although admittedly, casually. Simply because the nature of this petty farce deserves what it deserved. A casual treatment.

Coming from a non-white myself (I'm a chink)...I'm actually kinda bemused that Mr foureyes and his mates find my comments racist. What a bunch of losers. No offence, but I really don't give two hoots if you all accuse me of being thick for not realizing what I'm saying has the high risk to antagonize and infuriate that silly ultra-sensitive crybaby, foureyes, again.

If you lot observe my posting style all the way back to my previous disguises, I have always apologized if I thought my comments have gone too far and hurt someone's tender feelings. But to keep fcuking harping on about how racist my comments were even though I've fcuking repeated (zillion times) that my comments were said in jest, rather that in malice or racial undertones, now that really is taking the piss. And for someone who has 'foureyes', I'd have thought you have at least some intelligible amounts of foresight and hindsight of what you're blindly taking yourself on with this ridiculous matter. Notice how I could've called you a thick but unlike some, I won't resort to cheap vulgarities like yourself who've called me things far worse than 'onion bajhee thrower' thus far in this thread.

Coming back to the racism accusation, let me ask you this and be honest with it. If a simple, harmless phrase such as 'onion bajhee thrower' offends you and your mates, you won't be found online most of your time, because I'd assume you'll be out there causing race riots. Everything said in jest would be taken out of context by yourself and turned into an unnecessary feud. A storm in a fcuking teacup the size of a pea.

Would I throw my toys out of the pram each time I hear stuff like 'fried lice', 'short dicked man', 'yellow snow' etc.... ? I'd probably do so if I was in pre-school or something. But not when you're in your fcuking 20s. You're in your late 30s and I'm assuming you have kids too. I'd assumed you have a bigger, more forgiving and less sensitive, more tolerant heart by now. How would you educate your kids ? Make a big fuss if someone in school calls your kid an 'onion bajhee thrower' ? Here's some friendly advice. Don't. Cos you'll only run the risk of turning your kid gay.

Anyone new to this thread, I suggest ya'll read Mr speccy's hilarious comments.

One minute he claimed he wasn't really that offended by my initial comment bout onion bajhees, and that it was more of the fact that I didn't stop poking fun at him. He was more pissed off with my lack of apologies.

The next minute he rampantly argues and debates with just about anyone who gently points out that he was making a mountain out of a small thing, how my remarks were racist, offensive, etc. He even involved his mates as well, which goes to show how serious this guy is ! You must be really, really worked up if you see it necessary to broadcast a silly internet feud to your work colleagues and ask for back-up. What a silly, little man.

Here I'll even say it again if you think I wasn't sincere the first time.

I apologize for any misunderstanding and offence caused with my earlier comments. It was a harmless comment because it's nothing more than a playground joke, and I felt you've blown the entire thing and made it into the size of a world war. So I will not apologize for being racist because I wasn't. I'm only apologizing for the unexpected agony it caused you (and your mates, if they were offended as well).

This thread needs someone like Brendan. Now that would be fun.

 

[Roger REDerer]

[quote author=Mr Moominpoops link=topic=24077.msg588459#msg588459 date=1212625406]
There are so many brilliant moments in this thread.

I can't believe Foureyes called over some guys in his office and asked them whether they thought Roger was racist.

It's also a bit weird that he only asked black and Asian people in his office what they thought. Clearly white people's opinion would have less value.
[/quote]

Oooo you're gonna hurt his tender feelings again..

 

[Whaddapie]

Gents,

With all due respect, I don't think that it's for any of us to tell anybody what is or is not racist to them.

We've thrown around some silliness in this thread that, were we to experience it in the street from a total stranger, we'd react quite differently to the way that we have to each other today.

The percieved intention of the person throwing out the language concerned determines everything, I think we've all agreed... Were I to be called a spudmuncher by a visiting union jack tattooed football hooligan, I'd consider that a racist remark. When St.George threw it out today, not so much.

Specky perceives rog's remarks to be racist, becasue he pointed out his discomfort with them, but rog continued, and actually became MORE insulting. Though I agree with many that he's being quite sensitive, I cannot tell 4Is that he HASN'T been racially 'slagged', as rog's teasing was based around his culture, and he was offended by it.

This world IS far too PC now, no doubt... Try living over here, FFS! We cannot even call a person from the country of Mexico a Mexican anymore, as it's seen as a slight, an ignorant catch-all jibe aimed at all folks of Hispanic descent.

But, if you throw around race/cultural jibes, you run the risk of having that accusation levelled at you... And when you've used certain phrases, whether in jest or otherwise, if someboy is offended, it's hard to argue that you're NOT racist, isn't it?

Better off not even bringing it up.

 

[Rosco]

[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588449#msg588449 date=1212622734]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=24077.msg588447#msg588447 date=1212622360]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588440#msg588440 date=1212621758]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=24077.msg588436#msg588436 date=1212621305]
Onion bahji throwing is a racial slur ?

Isn't that taking things to the absolute extreme ?

I genuinely believe that it's laughable to suggest it.

As for the quote you put there, don't you think the element of subjectivity that's introduced in it makes the defintion completely unworkable ?

I prefer to stick with the UNHCR definition, because it's quite rigid and is easily applied. Much like their definition of what a refugee is. Their interpretation is excellent. While they do everything in their power for refugees they implicitly acknowledge what a refugee isn't. I think it's the same here with their definition of racism.

I still don't see how suggesting you might throw an onion bhaji puts you down.

[/quote]

Absofukinlutely.

And that's the bottom line. If I say something to someone of another race and they find it offensive i'd accept that and apologise. But purely because you're not happy with my justification of why it's offensive, it's not good enough to be classed as racist? Says who? Who's to judge? I gave you my explanation, one which my friends and colleagues can associate with yet because it doesn't match your criteria it's not racist. I'll say it again that all my work colleagues found it offensive. I'm sorry mate. But we're not all wrong.

So in future if I make a wise crack about the Irish that you or someone takes offence to, maybe I should just carry on if i'm not happy with their explanation as to why it's offensive. On second thoughts, i'd rather not.
[/quote]


So if someone suggested I'd throw a potato in self defence I should get offended ?

Are you taking the piss or what ?

Look, at no stage tonight have you showed me how Roger is treating you differently from anybody else, how onion bahji throwing is a put down and in some way infers you're inferior to any other group of people. It's a crude reference to the fact that you're of Indian origin. That's all. Referring to somebody as being Indian isn't racist. Inferring that because they're Indian they're inferior is.

Oncy:

With regard to this :
It offended him, and that should be enough for Rog to have apologised. Thats what a civilized person would do.

Nobody is arguing against that.

My initial point was that the leap from something being offensive to it being racist is one that hasn't been shown here.

I hate seeing people level accusations of racism when they are completely unfounded.
[/quote]

That's your definition. We don't all have to follow your rules.

Your definition of racial harassment differs from mine and the chaps over in Ontario on the link I posted. It's there in black and white. It's clear. I find it offensive and it's regarding my race. End of.

What you're doing is telling me i'm not allowed to be offended by it. I am. It's regarding my race. It's racist. Maybe I should move to Ontario.
[/quote]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588450#msg588450 date=1212623069]
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/current-students/welfare/racial/

Read the first sentence Rosco. I'm sorry but that apples to me in this case. It's clear in that sentence. It caused offence to me and it's regarding my colour/ethnic background.

Google it and you'll come up with a shit load of similar examples. They all basically say the same thing, that if it's found to be offensive by the 'victim' and it's to do with their race/colour etc it's racial harassment.

It's simple.
[/quote]

The two links you've posted are guidlines, one by a university the other by a do gooders group in Canada.

What I posted is soon to be the governing worldwide legal standard.

I would suggest that if you have a problem with people making references to the fact that you're Indian (without demeaning the people of India) then it says a lot more about what you're opinion of India is than it does the person who made the reference.

People are fed up with the hyper sensitivity in relation to race, and that's why I think my post last night was well received by some people.

You're now claiming racial harassment, doesn't the word harassment suggest something persistent ?


I'll stand by what I said last night in repeating that I think you've gone way over the top with this.

 

[foureyes]

[quote author=Roger REDerer link=topic=24077.msg588468#msg588468 date=1212631370]
Ross, how much are your legal fees ? I'm seriously thinking of hiring you as my defendant in this farcical case.

And for those who said I should've apologized, I already did so many pages back. Although admittedly, casually. Simply because the nature of this petty farce deserves what it deserved. A casual treatment.

Coming from a non-white myself (I'm a chink)...I'm actually kinda bemused that Mr foureyes and his mates find my comments racist. What a bunch of losers. No offence, but I really don't give two hoots if you all accuse me of being thick for not realizing what I'm saying has the high risk to antagonize and infuriate that silly ultra-sensitive crybaby, foureyes, again.

If you lot observe my posting style all the way back to my previous disguises, I have always apologized if I thought my comments have gone too far and hurt someone's tender feelings. But to keep fcuking harping on about how racist my comments were even though I've fcuking repeated (zillion times) that my comments were said in jest, rather that in malice or racial undertones, now that really is taking the piss. And for someone who has 'foureyes', I'd have thought you have at least some intelligible amounts of foresight and hindsight of what you're blindly taking yourself on with this ridiculous matter. Notice how I could've called you a thick but unlike some, I won't resort to cheap vulgarities like yourself who've called me things far worse than 'onion bajhee thrower' thus far in this thread.

Coming back to the racism accusation, let me ask you this and be honest with it. If a simple, harmless phrase such as 'onion bajhee thrower' offends you and your mates, you won't be found online most of your time, because I'd assume you'll be out there causing race riots. Everything said in jest would be taken out of context by yourself and turned into an unnecessary feud. A storm in a fcuking teacup the size of a pea.

Would I throw my toys out of the pram each time I hear stuff like 'fried lice', 'short dicked man', 'yellow snow' etc.... ? I'd probably do so if I was in pre-school or something. But not when you're in your fcuking 20s. You're in your late 30s and I'm assuming you have kids too. I'd assumed you have a bigger, more forgiving and less sensitive, more tolerant heart by now. How would you educate your kids ? Make a big fuss if someone in school calls your kid an 'onion bajhee thrower' ? Here's some friendly advice. Don't. Cos you'll only run the risk of turning your kid gay.

Anyone new to this thread, I suggest ya'll read Mr speccy's hilarious comments.

One minute he claimed he wasn't really that offended by my initial comment bout onion bajhees, and that it was more of the fact that I didn't stop poking fun at him. He was more pissed off with my lack of apologies.

The next minute he rampantly argues and debates with just about anyone who gently points out that he was making a mountain out of a small thing, how my remarks were racist, offensive, etc. He even involved his mates as well, which goes to show how serious this guy is ! You must be really, really worked up if you see it necessary to broadcast a silly internet feud to your work colleagues and ask for back-up. What a silly, little man.

Here I'll even say it again if you think I wasn't sincere the first time.

I apologize for any misunderstanding and offence caused with my earlier comments. It was a harmless comment because it's nothing more than a playground joke, and I felt you've blown the entire thing and made it into the size of a world war. So I will not apologize for being racist because I wasn't. I'm only apologizing for the unexpected agony it caused you (and your mates, if they were offended as well).

This thread needs someone like Brendan. Now that would be fun.
[/quote]

Thrushy, get a life. You really are the forum clown.

 

[foureyes]

[quote author=Roger REDerer link=topic=24077.msg588469#msg588469 date=1212631407]
[quote author=Mr Moominpoops link=topic=24077.msg588459#msg588459 date=1212625406]
There are so many brilliant moments in this thread.

I can't believe Foureyes called over some guys in his office and asked them whether they thought Roger was racist.

It's also a bit weird that he only asked black and Asian people in his office what they thought. Clearly white people's opinion would have less value.
[/quote]

Oooo you're gonna hurt his tender feelings again..
[/quote]


Haha. Says the cock that was claiming he was gonna have a breakdown after all the flack he was getting here since he was all depressed. Ahhhh.

 

[foureyes]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=24077.msg588501#msg588501 date=1212649078]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588449#msg588449 date=1212622734]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=24077.msg588447#msg588447 date=1212622360]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588440#msg588440 date=1212621758]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=24077.msg588436#msg588436 date=1212621305]
Onion bahji throwing is a racial slur ?

Isn't that taking things to the absolute extreme ?

I genuinely believe that it's laughable to suggest it.

As for the quote you put there, don't you think the element of subjectivity that's introduced in it makes the defintion completely unworkable ?

I prefer to stick with the UNHCR definition, because it's quite rigid and is easily applied. Much like their definition of what a refugee is. Their interpretation is excellent. While they do everything in their power for refugees they implicitly acknowledge what a refugee isn't. I think it's the same here with their definition of racism.

I still don't see how suggesting you might throw an onion bhaji puts you down.

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Absofukinlutely.

And that's the bottom line. If I say something to someone of another race and they find it offensive i'd accept that and apologise. But purely because you're not happy with my justification of why it's offensive, it's not good enough to be classed as racist? Says who? Who's to judge? I gave you my explanation, one which my friends and colleagues can associate with yet because it doesn't match your criteria it's not racist. I'll say it again that all my work colleagues found it offensive. I'm sorry mate. But we're not all wrong.

So in future if I make a wise crack about the Irish that you or someone takes offence to, maybe I should just carry on if i'm not happy with their explanation as to why it's offensive. On second thoughts, i'd rather not.
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So if someone suggested I'd throw a potato in self defence I should get offended ?

Are you taking the piss or what ?

Look, at no stage tonight have you showed me how Roger is treating you differently from anybody else, how onion bahji throwing is a put down and in some way infers you're inferior to any other group of people. It's a crude reference to the fact that you're of Indian origin. That's all. Referring to somebody as being Indian isn't racist. Inferring that because they're Indian they're inferior is.

Oncy:

With regard to this :
It offended him, and that should be enough for Rog to have apologised. Thats what a civilized person would do.

Nobody is arguing against that.

My initial point was that the leap from something being offensive to it being racist is one that hasn't been shown here.

I hate seeing people level accusations of racism when they are completely unfounded.
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That's your definition. We don't all have to follow your rules.

Your definition of racial harassment differs from mine and the chaps over in Ontario on the link I posted. It's there in black and white. It's clear. I find it offensive and it's regarding my race. End of.

What you're doing is telling me i'm not allowed to be offended by it. I am. It's regarding my race. It's racist. Maybe I should move to Ontario.
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[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588450#msg588450 date=1212623069]
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/current-students/welfare/racial/

Read the first sentence Rosco. I'm sorry but that apples to me in this case. It's clear in that sentence. It caused offence to me and it's regarding my colour/ethnic background.

Google it and you'll come up with a shit load of similar examples. They all basically say the same thing, that if it's found to be offensive by the 'victim' and it's to do with their race/colour etc it's racial harassment.

It's simple.
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The two links you've posted are guidlines, one by a university the other by a do gooders group in Canada.

What I posted is soon to be the governing worldwide legal standard.

I would suggest that if you have a problem with people making references to the fact that you're Indian (without demeaning the people of India) then it says a lot more about what you're opinion of India is than it does the person who made the reference.

People are fed up with the hyper sensitivity in relation to race, and that's why I think my post last night was well received by some people.

You're now claiming racial harassment, doesn't the word harassment suggest something persistent ?


I'll stand by what I said last night in repeating that I think you've gone way over the top with this.

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Clutching at straws.

You'll do anything to dodge the fact that you're nowhere near as right on this as you think. Like I said. Google racial harassment and you'll see that the definition I gave you was a pretty common one. And most importantly it's the one most people accept in the real world. But hey, if you'd like to ignore that, you go ahead Rosco.

I've told you clearly how many people have taken offence to that comment. My dad works in race relations for a local council. I'll ask their stance and get back to you.

 

[foureyes]

[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=24077.msg588470#msg588470 date=1212637282]
Gents,

With all due respect, I don't think that it's for any of us to tell anybody what is or is not racist to them.

We've thrown around some silliness in this thread that, were we to experience it in the street from a total stranger, we'd react quite differently to the way that we have to each other today.

The percieved intention of the person throwing out the language concerned determines everything, I think we've all agreed... Were I to be called a spudmuncher by a visiting union jack tattooed football hooligan, I'd consider that a racist remark. When St.George threw it out today, not so much.

Specky perceives rog's remarks to be racist, becasue he pointed out his discomfort with them, but rog continued, and actually became MORE insulting. Though I agree with many that he's being quite sensitive, I cannot tell 4Is that he HASN'T been racially 'slagged', as rog's teasing was based around his culture, and he was offended by it.

This world IS far too PC now, no doubt... Try living over here, FFS! We cannot even call a person from the country of Mexico a Mexican anymore, as it's seen as a slight, an ignorant catch-all jibe aimed at all folks of Hispanic descent.

But, if you throw around race/cultural jibes, you run the risk of having that accusation levelled at you... And when you've used certain phrases, whether in jest or otherwise, if someboy is offended, it's hard to argue that you're NOT racist, isn't it?

Better off not even bringing it up.
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Exactly. Spot on my friend.

 

[Spionkop69]

[quote author=Mr Moominpoops link=topic=24077.msg588459#msg588459 date=1212625406]
There are so many brilliant moments in this thread.

I can't believe Foureyes called over some guys in his office and asked them whether they thought Roger was racist.

It's also a bit weird that he only asked black and Asian people in his office what they thought. Clearly white people's opinion would have less value.
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*wags finger at Gene*

Stop now, this was just starting to come under control!

 

[Roger REDerer]

[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588526#msg588526 date=1212651114]
[quote author=Roger REDerer link=topic=24077.msg588468#msg588468 date=1212631370]
Ross, how much are your legal fees ? I'm seriously thinking of hiring you as my defendant in this farcical case.

And for those who said I should've apologized, I already did so many pages back. Although admittedly, casually. Simply because the nature of this petty farce deserves what it deserved. A casual treatment.

Coming from a non-white myself (I'm a chink)...I'm actually kinda bemused that Mr foureyes and his mates find my comments racist. What a bunch of losers. No offence, but I really don't give two hoots if you all accuse me of being thick for not realizing what I'm saying has the high risk to antagonize and infuriate that silly ultra-sensitive crybaby, foureyes, again.

If you lot observe my posting style all the way back to my previous disguises, I have always apologized if I thought my comments have gone too far and hurt someone's tender feelings. But to keep fcuking harping on about how racist my comments were even though I've fcuking repeated (zillion times) that my comments were said in jest, rather that in malice or racial undertones, now that really is taking the piss. And for someone who has 'foureyes', I'd have thought you have at least some intelligible amounts of foresight and hindsight of what you're blindly taking yourself on with this ridiculous matter. Notice how I could've called you a thick but unlike some, I won't resort to cheap vulgarities like yourself who've called me things far worse than 'onion bajhee thrower' thus far in this thread.

Coming back to the racism accusation, let me ask you this and be honest with it. If a simple, harmless phrase such as 'onion bajhee thrower' offends you and your mates, you won't be found online most of your time, because I'd assume you'll be out there causing race riots. Everything said in jest would be taken out of context by yourself and turned into an unnecessary feud. A storm in a fcuking teacup the size of a pea.

Would I throw my toys out of the pram each time I hear stuff like 'fried lice', 'short dicked man', 'yellow snow' etc.... ? I'd probably do so if I was in pre-school or something. But not when you're in your fcuking 20s. You're in your late 30s and I'm assuming you have kids too. I'd assumed you have a bigger, more forgiving and less sensitive, more tolerant heart by now. How would you educate your kids ? Make a big fuss if someone in school calls your kid an 'onion bajhee thrower' ? Here's some friendly advice. Don't. Cos you'll only run the risk of turning your kid gay.

Anyone new to this thread, I suggest ya'll read Mr speccy's hilarious comments.

One minute he claimed he wasn't really that offended by my initial comment bout onion bajhees, and that it was more of the fact that I didn't stop poking fun at him. He was more pissed off with my lack of apologies.

The next minute he rampantly argues and debates with just about anyone who gently points out that he was making a mountain out of a small thing, how my remarks were racist, offensive, etc. He even involved his mates as well, which goes to show how serious this guy is ! You must be really, really worked up if you see it necessary to broadcast a silly internet feud to your work colleagues and ask for back-up. What a silly, little man.

Here I'll even say it again if you think I wasn't sincere the first time.

I apologize for any misunderstanding and offence caused with my earlier comments. It was a harmless comment because it's nothing more than a playground joke, and I felt you've blown the entire thing and made it into the size of a world war. So I will not apologize for being racist because I wasn't. I'm only apologizing for the unexpected agony it caused you (and your mates, if they were offended as well).

This thread needs someone like Brendan. Now that would be fun.
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Thrushy, get a life. You really are the forum clown.
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After this comment, I think you'll find yourself gradually being isolated here. You want an apology, I've given you TWO. Yet you still resort to childish insults. If this is coming from a kid, I'll just meh it off. But you're in your late 30s. My goodness, you must have a huge chip on your shoulder or an axe to grind. You probably got bullied a lot when you were young. Hey, don't dish it out on me ok. I've got nothing to do with the racism you were subjected to previously. It's unfortunate and I feel for you in a way, but this is the world we live in. Deal with it, else you'll spend your entire life whinging and moaning about it.

In a nutshell, you're narrow-minded, ultra-sensitive, unforgiving, stubborn and vulgar. And I'm pretty sure many will not disagree with me on all these either.

 

[Oncy]

Alright, thats enough lads.
Seriously. Shut the fuck up the pair of ya's