Swingers & swinging...

[Y1]

[quote author=Loch Ness Monster link=topic=24077.msg588932#msg588932 date=1212673648]
*taps counter*

Can I get some plawn flied lice over here please??

And a poppadom


*awaits food fight*
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allo allo allo

u came into the wrong take away la

u ordered lice and popadum. they dont go together

 

[Dreambeliever]

[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588981#msg588981 date=1212675701]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=24077.msg588953#msg588953 date=1212674421]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588915#msg588915 date=1212672329]


his apology is accepted. All i have been doing is debating the racism issue with rosco. Roger has dished it out to me so if that he wants to, he can fukin well take it when i retaliate. Its very very simple.

Two wrongs do not make a right. If you dish it back then you cannot give out to him. What if he turned around and said you offended him. Would you instantly apologise?


I have given two examples of many sites relating to public institutions who clearly state that racial harassment is any comment slur or joke that is related to someones colour or race etc that the victim finds offensive. Now what is so hard to understand about that?

They are opinions not law. What is hard to understand about that? I've never read any law that says a reference to someone's country is being racist. Nothing.
All you can do to get around is it to simply dismiss there sites or people as 'do gooders' as ross did. But think of it this way. These are real world institutions that we deal with in our every day lives. Unis and local councils etc. If you were at the uni mentioned in the link you would have to abide by their definitions of racial harassment or if you lived in a council area or state which upheld the same definitions,so i suggest you take them a little more seriously perhaps.

Ok so whats 6cm minutes definition on racism? Is asking me if I throw potatoes deemed as a racist remark? and he didn't even say you did he merely asked
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i have already said several times in this thread that i would of course apologise to any individual, roger included, if i caused any form of offence whether it be regarding his race or beliefs etc. Absolutely.

i dont quite understand you last paragraph.

lets say you went to the uce which is where i think the link is from. Now there would be asian and black people going to that uni expecting people to abide by the unis rules on racial harassment and the uni would certainly expect you to. If i were there with you and you came out with rogers wise crack, i would take offence and they would throw the book at you. How would you feel about that?
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That would be fine by me. You must follow the rules of the land. My point is I don't think this web site see's Rog's view as racist. So can you except that?

 

[Whaddapie]

[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=24077.msg588983#msg588983 date=1212676007]

I wasn't making you out to be saintly at all I just think its human nature to judge people based initially on what we see and later by what we hear.

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1. Well, the "Move over God" comment would suggest otherwise.

2. I hope not, becasue when meeting a stranger for the first time, all we see is that person. We don't see character or intent or personality. If we react in a different ways depending on their skin colour, that speaks of our character, imho.

 

[Dreambeliever]

[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=24077.msg588990#msg588990 date=1212676234]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=24077.msg588983#msg588983 date=1212676007]
I wasn't making you out to be saintly at all I just think its human nature to judge people based initially on what we see and later by what we hear.
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It's deinitely not human nature to judge people on their race. It may be to judge them on appearance.
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I didn't mean race I meant appearance. Apologies.

 

[keniget]

[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=24077.msg588990#msg588990 date=1212676234]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=24077.msg588983#msg588983 date=1212676007]
I wasn't making you out to be saintly at all I just think its human nature to judge people based initially on what we see and later by what we hear.
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It's deinitely not human nature to judge people on their race. It may be to judge them on appearance.
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Surely the two go hand in hand, at least in some cases. I'd say that when you size someone up for the first time, you take everything into consideration, be it on a concious or sub-concious level.

I don't see why this has to be painted as a bad thing.

 

[Fox]

i have already said several times in this thread that i would of course apologise to any individual, roger included, if i caused any form of offence whether it be regarding his race or beliefs etc. Absolutely.

i dont quite understand you last paragraph.

lets say you went to the uce which is where i think the link is from. Now there would be asian and black people going to that uni expecting people to abide by the unis rules on racial harassment and the uni would certainly expect you to. If i were there with you and you came out with rogers wise crack, i would take offence and they would throw the book at you. How would you feel about that?
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The thing that I find hard still 4is is how "chip/pie/mash throwing" to an englishman or "tight fisted" jock or "sheep shagging, leek throwing" taff, "guiness drinking thicko" to a paddy ETC are any different than bargee throwing as an insult.

If you are indian then all indian food comes with the option of onion bargees in this country so its just a gag surely not racist.

When a gag comes from someone of different colour to you it seems to mean more to some, is this your take on it

 

[foureyes]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=24077.msg588982#msg588982 date=1212675853]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588981#msg588981 date=1212675701]
i have already said several times in this thread that i would of course apologise to any individual, roger included, if i caused any form of offence whether it be regarding his race or beliefs etc. Absolutely.

i dont quite understand you last paragraph.

lets say you went to the uce which is where i think the link is from. Now there would be asian and black people going to that uni expecting people to abide by the unis rules on racial harassment and the uni would certainly expect you to. If i were there with you and you came out with rogers wise crack, i would take offence and they would throw the book at you. How would you feel about that?
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I'd say that would represent a huge injustice. I think people need to be a bit thicker skinned at times.
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i do agree that it would help if we were all much more thick skinned and just got on with life. But its not as easy as that. People all have different values and beliefs and will take offence to different things. Its hard to understand what offensive to other people so such situations are bound to arise.

i think we have to be careful when that happens mate. Just because we find it difficult to empathise with somebody or see why something is offensive to them, it doesnt mean it isnt. Hence the policy that if its offensive to the 'victim' and its based on race its deemed to be racial harassment.

its all very easy to say the world is too pc nowadays, and i agree that it is to some degree, but it may get to the point that issues begin to hold less gravity due to this attitude becoming more firmly entrenched. Its almost the opposite of people 'playing the race card'. If someone has taken offence to a comment regarding their race, something should be done about it rather than folks just saying the world has gone pc mad.

 

[keniget]

[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg589012#msg589012 date=1212676824] If someone has taken offence to a comment regarding their race, something should be done about it rather than folks just saying the world has gone pc mad.
[/quote]

True, but these instances should still be investigated rather than take the 'victims' claims at face value and proceed on that basis. Putting aside the issue with Roger, it's far too easy to claim the race card these days - that's why many people are a bit fed up and go on the "world has gone PC mad" rants.

 

[foureyes]

[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=24077.msg589000#msg589000 date=1212676529]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588981#msg588981 date=1212675701]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=24077.msg588953#msg588953 date=1212674421]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588915#msg588915 date=1212672329]


his apology is accepted. All i have been doing is debating the racism issue with rosco. Roger has dished it out to me so if that he wants to, he can fukin well take it when i retaliate. Its very very simple.

Two wrongs do not make a right. If you dish it back then you cannot give out to him. What if he turned around and said you offended him. Would you instantly apologise?


I have given two examples of many sites relating to public institutions who clearly state that racial harassment is any comment slur or joke that is related to someones colour or race etc that the victim finds offensive. Now what is so hard to understand about that?

They are opinions not law. What is hard to understand about that? I've never read any law that says a reference to someone's country is being racist. Nothing.
All you can do to get around is it to simply dismiss there sites or people as 'do gooders' as ross did. But think of it this way. These are real world institutions that we deal with in our every day lives. Unis and local councils etc. If you were at the uni mentioned in the link you would have to abide by their definitions of racial harassment or if you lived in a council area or state which upheld the same definitions,so i suggest you take them a little more seriously perhaps.

Ok so whats 6cm minutes definition on racism? Is asking me if I throw potatoes deemed as a racist remark? and he didn't even say you did he merely asked
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i have already said several times in this thread that i would of course apologise to any individual, roger included, if i caused any form of offence whether it be regarding his race or beliefs etc. Absolutely.

i dont quite understand you last paragraph.

lets say you went to the uce which is where i think the link is from. Now there would be asian and black people going to that uni expecting people to abide by the unis rules on racial harassment and the uni would certainly expect you to. If i were there with you and you came out with rogers wise crack, i would take offence and they would throw the book at you. How would you feel about that?
[/quote]

That would be fine by me. You must follow the rules of the land. My point is I don't think this web site see's Rog's view as racist. So can you except that?
[/quote]

no i cant and i will explain why. Why is that you guite happily would accept the rules and policy of the uni and hence their definition of racial harassment but not mine? I follow the same train of thought as them. It was offensive and was regarding my race. By the same rules that you would have accepted its racial harassment. So just because its me saying it why cant you accept it?

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=24077.msg589005#msg589005 date=1212676583]
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=24077.msg588990#msg588990 date=1212676234]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=24077.msg588983#msg588983 date=1212676007]
I wasn't making you out to be saintly at all I just think its human nature to judge people based initially on what we see and later by what we hear.
[/quote]
It's deinitely not human nature to judge people on their race. It may be to judge them on appearance.
[/quote]

Surely the two go hand in hand, at least in some cases. I'd say that when you size someone up for the first time, you take everything into consideration, be it on a concious or sub-concious level.

I don't see why this has to be painted as a bad thing.
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It all depends on what kind of assumptions you're making, I guess. If you assume that somebody works in a chinese restaurant, for example, based on their appearance, it's probably going to have a prejudiced basis, unless they've got take away menus hanging out of their pocket. But if you're assuming they work as a bin collector, it's doubtful that they would(I guess that depends on who collects your bins though).

 

[foureyes]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=24077.msg589021#msg589021 date=1212677054]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg589012#msg589012 date=1212676824] If someone has taken offence to a comment regarding their race, something should be done about it rather than folks just saying the world has gone pc mad.
[/quote]

True, but these instances should still be investigated rather than take the 'victims' claims at face value and proceed on that basis. Putting aside the issue with Roger, it's far too easy to claim the race card these days - that's why many people are a bit fed up and go on the "world has gone PC mad" rants.
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i agree and i gave reasons as to why i found it offensive as should anyone claiming racism etc

i dont think its as easy to claim the race card as you make it out to be but it does happen and shouldnt.

 

[Pesam]

[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg589024#msg589024 date=1212677153]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=24077.msg589000#msg589000 date=1212676529]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588981#msg588981 date=1212675701]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=24077.msg588953#msg588953 date=1212674421]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588915#msg588915 date=1212672329]


his apology is accepted. All i have been doing is debating the racism issue with rosco. Roger has dished it out to me so if that he wants to, he can fukin well take it when i retaliate. Its very very simple.

Two wrongs do not make a right. If you dish it back then you cannot give out to him. What if he turned around and said you offended him. Would you instantly apologise?


I have given two examples of many sites relating to public institutions who clearly state that racial harassment is any comment slur or joke that is related to someones colour or race etc that the victim finds offensive. Now what is so hard to understand about that?

They are opinions not law. What is hard to understand about that? I've never read any law that says a reference to someone's country is being racist. Nothing.
All you can do to get around is it to simply dismiss there sites or people as 'do gooders' as ross did. But think of it this way. These are real world institutions that we deal with in our every day lives. Unis and local councils etc. If you were at the uni mentioned in the link you would have to abide by their definitions of racial harassment or if you lived in a council area or state which upheld the same definitions,so i suggest you take them a little more seriously perhaps.

Ok so whats 6cm minutes definition on racism? Is asking me if I throw potatoes deemed as a racist remark? and he didn't even say you did he merely asked
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i have already said several times in this thread that i would of course apologise to any individual, roger included, if i caused any form of offence whether it be regarding his race or beliefs etc. Absolutely.

i dont quite understand you last paragraph.

lets say you went to the uce which is where i think the link is from. Now there would be asian and black people going to that uni expecting people to abide by the unis rules on racial harassment and the uni would certainly expect you to. If i were there with you and you came out with rogers wise crack, i would take offence and they would throw the book at you. How would you feel about that?
[/quote]

That would be fine by me. You must follow the rules of the land. My point is I don't think this web site see's Rog's view as racist. So can you except that?
[/quote]

no i cant and i will explain why. Why is that you guite happily would accept the rules and policy of the uni and hence their definition of racial harassment but not mine? I follow the same train of thought as them. It was offensive and was regarding my race. By the same rules that you would have accepted its racial harassment. So just because its me saying it why cant you accept it?
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You have given yourself the moniker Foureyes, I would suggest that some spectacle wearers who are as easily offended as you would object to that name.

 

[keniget]

[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=24077.msg589027#msg589027 date=1212677183]
It all depends on what kind of assumptions you're making, I guess. If you assume that somebody works in a chinese restaurant, for example, based on their appearance, it's probably going to have a prejudiced basis, unless they've got take away menus hanging out of their pocket. But if you're assuming they work as a bin collector, it's doubtful that they would(I guess that depends on who collects your bins though).
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That's not really got anything to do with deciding whether it's human nature to take race into account when sizing a person up.

I'd say that's leaning more toward discussing whether the conclusions drawn are fair or not. But then, it's also part of human nature to be wrong, evil, immoral etc.

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=24077.msg589046#msg589046 date=1212677925]
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=24077.msg589027#msg589027 date=1212677183]
It all depends on what kind of assumptions you're making, I guess. If you assume that somebody works in a chinese restaurant, for example, based on their appearance, it's probably going to have a prejudiced basis, unless they've got take away menus hanging out of their pocket. But if you're assuming they work as a bin collector, it's doubtful that they would(I guess that depends on who collects your bins though).
[/quote]

That's not really got anything to do with deciding whether it's human nature to take race into account when sizing a person up.

I'd say that's leaning more toward discussing whether the conclusions drawn are fair or not. But then, it's also part of human nature to be wrong, evil, immoral etc.
[/quote]

Well if you were to met someone, and were asked to decide where they worked. And you based it on the stereotypical jobs for their race, rather than the methods you'd use if they were of your own race, then it would be racist, no? Maybe no offensive, but definitely not racist. There's a difference between the two. But, I guess, both can be equally offensive and inoffensive depending on what was said, how it was said, and the relationship between the parties.

 

[keniget]

Maybe I've missed something... I thought you were talking about what falls into the domain of human nature. It's human nature to judge people at all levels (to varying degrees) whether it's right or wrong to do so. Everyone has their own prejudices based on their upbringing, experiences, values, beliefs etc.

Some of them will be offensive and racist, yes.

 

[foureyes]

[quote author=Pesam link=topic=24077.msg589042#msg589042 date=1212677744]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg589024#msg589024 date=1212677153]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=24077.msg589000#msg589000 date=1212676529]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588981#msg588981 date=1212675701]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=24077.msg588953#msg588953 date=1212674421]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588915#msg588915 date=1212672329]


his apology is accepted. All i have been doing is debating the racism issue with rosco. Roger has dished it out to me so if that he wants to, he can fukin well take it when i retaliate. Its very very simple.

Two wrongs do not make a right. If you dish it back then you cannot give out to him. What if he turned around and said you offended him. Would you instantly apologise?


I have given two examples of many sites relating to public institutions who clearly state that racial harassment is any comment slur or joke that is related to someones colour or race etc that the victim finds offensive. Now what is so hard to understand about that?

They are opinions not law. What is hard to understand about that? I've never read any law that says a reference to someone's country is being racist. Nothing.
All you can do to get around is it to simply dismiss there sites or people as 'do gooders' as ross did. But think of it this way. These are real world institutions that we deal with in our every day lives. Unis and local councils etc. If you were at the uni mentioned in the link you would have to abide by their definitions of racial harassment or if you lived in a council area or state which upheld the same definitions,so i suggest you take them a little more seriously perhaps.

Ok so whats 6cm minutes definition on racism? Is asking me if I throw potatoes deemed as a racist remark? and he didn't even say you did he merely asked
[/quote]
[/quote]

i have already said several times in this thread that i would of course apologise to any individual, roger included, if i caused any form of offence whether it be regarding his race or beliefs etc. Absolutely.

i dont quite understand you last paragraph.

lets say you went to the uce which is where i think the link is from. Now there would be asian and black people going to that uni expecting people to abide by the unis rules on racial harassment and the uni would certainly expect you to. If i were there with you and you came out with rogers wise crack, i would take offence and they would throw the book at you. How would you feel about that?
[/quote]

That would be fine by me. You must follow the rules of the land. My point is I don't think this web site see's Rog's view as racist. So can you except that?
[/quote]

no i cant and i will explain why. Why is that you guite happily would accept the rules and policy of the uni and hence their definition of racial harassment but not mine? I follow the same train of thought as them. It was offensive and was regarding my race. By the same rules that you would have accepted its racial harassment. So just because its me saying it why cant you accept it?
[/quote]


You have given yourself the moniker Foureyes, I would suggest that some spectacle wearers who are as easily offended as you would object to that name.
[/quote]

and your point is...

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

Ok, I don't think it's human nature to base prejudices on race, people may do so depending on their society and upbringing. I do think making judgements on people due to their appearance(height, weight, gestures etc). is inbred in us, whether we even realise them or not.

 

[Pesam]

[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg589056#msg589056 date=1212678610]
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=24077.msg589042#msg589042 date=1212677744]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg589024#msg589024 date=1212677153]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=24077.msg589000#msg589000 date=1212676529]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588981#msg588981 date=1212675701]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=24077.msg588953#msg588953 date=1212674421]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588915#msg588915 date=1212672329]


his apology is accepted. All i have been doing is debating the racism issue with rosco. Roger has dished it out to me so if that he wants to, he can fukin well take it when i retaliate. Its very very simple.

Two wrongs do not make a right. If you dish it back then you cannot give out to him. What if he turned around and said you offended him. Would you instantly apologise?


I have given two examples of many sites relating to public institutions who clearly state that racial harassment is any comment slur or joke that is related to someones colour or race etc that the victim finds offensive. Now what is so hard to understand about that?

They are opinions not law. What is hard to understand about that? I've never read any law that says a reference to someone's country is being racist. Nothing.
All you can do to get around is it to simply dismiss there sites or people as 'do gooders' as ross did. But think of it this way. These are real world institutions that we deal with in our every day lives. Unis and local councils etc. If you were at the uni mentioned in the link you would have to abide by their definitions of racial harassment or if you lived in a council area or state which upheld the same definitions,so i suggest you take them a little more seriously perhaps.

Ok so whats 6cm minutes definition on racism? Is asking me if I throw potatoes deemed as a racist remark? and he didn't even say you did he merely asked
[/quote]
[/quote]

i have already said several times in this thread that i would of course apologise to any individual, roger included, if i caused any form of offence whether it be regarding his race or beliefs etc. Absolutely.

i dont quite understand you last paragraph.

lets say you went to the uce which is where i think the link is from. Now there would be asian and black people going to that uni expecting people to abide by the unis rules on racial harassment and the uni would certainly expect you to. If i were there with you and you came out with rogers wise crack, i would take offence and they would throw the book at you. How would you feel about that?
[/quote]

That would be fine by me. You must follow the rules of the land. My point is I don't think this web site see's Rog's view as racist. So can you except that?
[/quote]

no i cant and i will explain why. Why is that you guite happily would accept the rules and policy of the uni and hence their definition of racial harassment but not mine? I follow the same train of thought as them. It was offensive and was regarding my race. By the same rules that you would have accepted its racial harassment. So just because its me saying it why cant you accept it?
[/quote]


You have given yourself the moniker Foureyes, I would suggest that some spectacle wearers who are as easily offended as you would object to that name.
[/quote]

and your point is...
[/quote]


.........bloody obvious. Too many people are offended wayyyy to easily, as you were by the onion bhajee remark.

 

[foureyes]

[quote author=Pesam link=topic=24077.msg589079#msg589079 date=1212680293]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg589056#msg589056 date=1212678610]
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=24077.msg589042#msg589042 date=1212677744]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg589024#msg589024 date=1212677153]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=24077.msg589000#msg589000 date=1212676529]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588981#msg588981 date=1212675701]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=24077.msg588953#msg588953 date=1212674421]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588915#msg588915 date=1212672329]


his apology is accepted. All i have been doing is debating the racism issue with rosco. Roger has dished it out to me so if that he wants to, he can fukin well take it when i retaliate. Its very very simple.

Two wrongs do not make a right. If you dish it back then you cannot give out to him. What if he turned around and said you offended him. Would you instantly apologise?


I have given two examples of many sites relating to public institutions who clearly state that racial harassment is any comment slur or joke that is related to someones colour or race etc that the victim finds offensive. Now what is so hard to understand about that?

They are opinions not law. What is hard to understand about that? I've never read any law that says a reference to someone's country is being racist. Nothing.
All you can do to get around is it to simply dismiss there sites or people as 'do gooders' as ross did. But think of it this way. These are real world institutions that we deal with in our every day lives. Unis and local councils etc. If you were at the uni mentioned in the link you would have to abide by their definitions of racial harassment or if you lived in a council area or state which upheld the same definitions,so i suggest you take them a little more seriously perhaps.

Ok so whats 6cm minutes definition on racism? Is asking me if I throw potatoes deemed as a racist remark? and he didn't even say you did he merely asked
[/quote]
[/quote]

i have already said several times in this thread that i would of course apologise to any individual, roger included, if i caused any form of offence whether it be regarding his race or beliefs etc. Absolutely.

i dont quite understand you last paragraph.

lets say you went to the uce which is where i think the link is from. Now there would be asian and black people going to that uni expecting people to abide by the unis rules on racial harassment and the uni would certainly expect you to. If i were there with you and you came out with rogers wise crack, i would take offence and they would throw the book at you. How would you feel about that?
[/quote]

That would be fine by me. You must follow the rules of the land. My point is I don't think this web site see's Rog's view as racist. So can you except that?
[/quote]

no i cant and i will explain why. Why is that you guite happily would accept the rules and policy of the uni and hence their definition of racial harassment but not mine? I follow the same train of thought as them. It was offensive and was regarding my race. By the same rules that you would have accepted its racial harassment. So just because its me saying it why cant you accept it?
[/quote]


You have given yourself the moniker Foureyes, I would suggest that some spectacle wearers who are as easily offended as you would object to that name.
[/quote]

and your point is...
[/quote]


.........bloody obvious. Too many people are offended wayyyy to easily, as you were by the onion bhajee remark.
[/quote]

i know what your point was. I was taking the piss because nobody has the right to judge what i find offensive. Not only that but who am i calling foureyes? Nobody. This whole thing was about a comment aimed at me. To compare the two is ridiculous.

 

[HC]

Kin ell.

Cannot believe this puppy is still rolling along. Each page is just a rehash of the earlier page too;it's maaaaaaaad.

Nice one Foureyes ! 😉

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

So where are we upto now?

 

[Loch Ness Monster]

[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=24077.msg589111#msg589111 date=1212681467]
So where are we upto now?
[/quote]

Hahahaha great avatar mate.

 

[jexykrodic]

[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=24077.msg589111#msg589111 date=1212681467]
So where are we upto now?
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Ha ha quality avatar.

Can't believe there's been all this argy bargy about an onion bhajee.

Pisses me off when I log on late and find a real conflict post which has largely blown over. Missed it boo..

How uptight is that geezer who suggests a comment about an item of asian food infers racism.

Must be a laugh a minute, that lad.

 

[ILD]

[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=24077.msg589111#msg589111 date=1212681467]
So where are we upto now?
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This will be the neverending thread. Can't wait for the neverending thread part 2.

Always thought those film title's were misleading.

 

[foureyes]

[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=24077.msg589132#msg589132 date=1212682533]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=24077.msg589111#msg589111 date=1212681467]
So where are we upto now?
[/quote]

Ha ha quality avatar.

Can't believe there's been all this argy bargy about an onion bhajee.

Pisses me off when I log on late and find a real conflict post which has largely blown over. Missed it boo..

How uptight is that geezer who suggests a comment about an item of asian food infers racism.

Must be a laugh a minute, that lad.
[/quote]

Yep. I'm sooooooo boring.

 

[foureyes]

[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=24077.msg589093#msg589093 date=1212680925]
Kin ell.

Cannot believe this puppy is still rolling along. Each page is just a rehash of the earlier page too;it's maaaaaaaad.

Nice one Foureyes ! 😉
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You're welcome mate. :-*

 

[Dreambeliever]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=24077.msg589021#msg589021 date=1212677054]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg589012#msg589012 date=1212676824] If someone has taken offence to a comment regarding their race, something should be done about it rather than folks just saying the world has gone pc mad.
[/quote]

True, but these instances should still be investigated rather than take the 'victims' claims at face value and proceed on that basis. Putting aside the issue with Roger, it's far too easy to claim the race card these days - that's why many people are a bit fed up and go on the "world has gone PC mad" rants.
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Agreed and in this case as Ross has pointed much better than I ever could, asking someone if they throw an onion whatsitsname is not being racist.

Offensive maybe, a prick maybe but a racist no.

And for me its almost as bad for someone to loosely label someone a racist as it is to be one.

Those claims can stick without justification.

 

[foureyes]

[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=24077.msg589141#msg589141 date=1212683059]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=24077.msg589021#msg589021 date=1212677054]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg589012#msg589012 date=1212676824] If someone has taken offence to a comment regarding their race, something should be done about it rather than folks just saying the world has gone pc mad.
[/quote]

True, but these instances should still be investigated rather than take the 'victims' claims at face value and proceed on that basis. Putting aside the issue with Roger, it's far too easy to claim the race card these days - that's why many people are a bit fed up and go on the "world has gone PC mad" rants.
[/quote]


Agreed and in this case as Ross has pointed much better than I ever could, asking someone if they throw an onion whatsitsname is not being racist.

Offensive maybe, a prick maybe but a racist no.

And for me its almost as bad for someone to loosely label someone a racist as it is to be one.

Those claims can stick without justification.


[/quote]

Wow. That's a big comment. So now you're telling me that not only do I have no right to be offended but that i'm almost as bad as a racist. Fuk me. I'm flabbergasted.

I made a point in response to your last one which you have ignored DB. Probably because you didn't quite know how to argue with it. Maybe because it made sense.

 

[Dreambeliever]

[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg589024#msg589024 date=1212677153]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=24077.msg589000#msg589000 date=1212676529]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588981#msg588981 date=1212675701]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=24077.msg588953#msg588953 date=1212674421]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588915#msg588915 date=1212672329]


his apology is accepted. All i have been doing is debating the racism issue with rosco. Roger has dished it out to me so if that he wants to, he can fukin well take it when i retaliate. Its very very simple.

Two wrongs do not make a right. If you dish it back then you cannot give out to him. What if he turned around and said you offended him. Would you instantly apologise?


I have given two examples of many sites relating to public institutions who clearly state that racial harassment is any comment slur or joke that is related to someones colour or race etc that the victim finds offensive. Now what is so hard to understand about that?

They are opinions not law. What is hard to understand about that? I've never read any law that says a reference to someone's country is being racist. Nothing.
All you can do to get around is it to simply dismiss there sites or people as 'do gooders' as ross did. But think of it this way. These are real world institutions that we deal with in our every day lives. Unis and local councils etc. If you were at the uni mentioned in the link you would have to abide by their definitions of racial harassment or if you lived in a council area or state which upheld the same definitions,so i suggest you take them a little more seriously perhaps.

Ok so whats 6cm minutes definition on racism? Is asking me if I throw potatoes deemed as a racist remark? and he didn't even say you did he merely asked
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i have already said several times in this thread that i would of course apologise to any individual, roger included, if i caused any form of offence whether it be regarding his race or beliefs etc. Absolutely.

i dont quite understand you last paragraph.

lets say you went to the uce which is where i think the link is from. Now there would be asian and black people going to that uni expecting people to abide by the unis rules on racial harassment and the uni would certainly expect you to. If i were there with you and you came out with rogers wise crack, i would take offence and they would throw the book at you. How would you feel about that?
[/quote]

That would be fine by me. You must follow the rules of the land. My point is I don't think this web site see's Rog's view as racist. So can you except that?
[/quote]

no i cant and i will explain why. Why is that you guite happily would accept the rules and policy of the uni and hence their definition of racial harassment but not mine? I follow the same train of thought as them. It was offensive and was regarding my race. By the same rules that you would have accepted its racial harassment. So just because its me saying it why cant you accept it?
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Ok I'll do my best to explain. You are not the one making the rules for society. And at uni its not one person that makes the rules. Its the entire Uni body.

Like all rules in society, they are created by well informed people representing the majority.

So at a University the Rules have been declared and passed generally by some voting system and excepted.

Just because one person disagree's does not make them right. In this thread I think virtually everyone agrees that Rog's remark was not racist. Even if you still believe you are correct, I'm sure if you check the list of what is or not allowed on this site you will your definition of racism is not there. Hence imo Rog was not being racist at all.

Jesus Brendan has called me a halfwit bumbling bogger irish twit 1,000 times. I don't think he's a racist, he's just a self obsessed prick, who has a lot of brilliant funny moments.

Do I take offence, sometimes, is a racist? Hell no.

You think Swinging is sick. Does that mean swinging is sick because you say so? Hell no.

Its your opinion and opinions mean f*ck all at the end of the day. Its fun exchanging them but thats about it.

They carry no weight.

 

[foureyes]

[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=24077.msg589148#msg589148 date=1212683710]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg589024#msg589024 date=1212677153]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=24077.msg589000#msg589000 date=1212676529]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588981#msg588981 date=1212675701]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=24077.msg588953#msg588953 date=1212674421]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588915#msg588915 date=1212672329]


his apology is accepted. All i have been doing is debating the racism issue with rosco. Roger has dished it out to me so if that he wants to, he can fukin well take it when i retaliate. Its very very simple.

Two wrongs do not make a right. If you dish it back then you cannot give out to him. What if he turned around and said you offended him. Would you instantly apologise?


I have given two examples of many sites relating to public institutions who clearly state that racial harassment is any comment slur or joke that is related to someones colour or race etc that the victim finds offensive. Now what is so hard to understand about that?

They are opinions not law. What is hard to understand about that? I've never read any law that says a reference to someone's country is being racist. Nothing.
All you can do to get around is it to simply dismiss there sites or people as 'do gooders' as ross did. But think of it this way. These are real world institutions that we deal with in our every day lives. Unis and local councils etc. If you were at the uni mentioned in the link you would have to abide by their definitions of racial harassment or if you lived in a council area or state which upheld the same definitions,so i suggest you take them a little more seriously perhaps.

Ok so whats 6cm minutes definition on racism? Is asking me if I throw potatoes deemed as a racist remark? and he didn't even say you did he merely asked
[/quote]
[/quote]

i have already said several times in this thread that i would of course apologise to any individual, roger included, if i caused any form of offence whether it be regarding his race or beliefs etc. Absolutely.

i dont quite understand you last paragraph.

lets say you went to the uce which is where i think the link is from. Now there would be asian and black people going to that uni expecting people to abide by the unis rules on racial harassment and the uni would certainly expect you to. If i were there with you and you came out with rogers wise crack, i would take offence and they would throw the book at you. How would you feel about that?
[/quote]

That would be fine by me. You must follow the rules of the land. My point is I don't think this web site see's Rog's view as racist. So can you except that?
[/quote]

no i cant and i will explain why. Why is that you guite happily would accept the rules and policy of the uni and hence their definition of racial harassment but not mine? I follow the same train of thought as them. It was offensive and was regarding my race. By the same rules that you would have accepted its racial harassment. So just because its me saying it why cant you accept it?
[/quote]

Ok I'll do my best to explain. You are not the one making the rules for society. And at uni its not one person that makes the rules. Its the entire Uni body.

Like all rules in society, they are created by well informed people representing the majority.

So at a University the Rules have been declared and passed generally by some voting system and excepted.

Just because one person disagree's does not make them right. In this thread I think virtually everyone agrees that Rog's remark was not racist. Even if you still believe you are correct, I'm sure if you check the list of what is or not allowed on this site you will your definition of racism is not there. Hence imo Rog was not being racist at all.

Jesus Brendan has called me a halfwit bumbling bogger irish twit 1,000 times. I don't think he's a racist, he's just a self obsessed prick, who has a lot of brilliant funny moments.

Do I take offence, sometimes, is a racist? Hell no.

You think Swinging is sick. Does that mean swinging is sick because you say so? Hell no.

Its your opinion and opinions mean f*ck all at the end of the day. Its fun exchanging them but thats about it.

They carry no weight.
[/quote]


Are you arguing my point for me? Seriously. The policy that you are on about with regards to Unis etc is the exact same thing I am saying. That if it's deemed offensive by the 'victim' and it's about their race, it's racial harassment. Their policy backs up what I am saying. Not just them but numerous institutional bodies and states etc. Hell even local councils.