In my head I got him mixed with Miki roque and thought "that's a bit of a weird statement"
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In my head I got him mixed with Miki roque and thought "that's a bit of a weird statement"
Paletta less so, MSJ for sure but he's more or less been a one off.....very few players u21 leave Liverpool & go on to have memorable careers.
Gulasci is possibly one we couldv'e held on too a little longer, couldv'e even been #1 after Pepe left/started to decline big time....would've been a lot better than wasting 10m on that waster.
Suso perhaps another considering the nominal fee we got for him....he looked like a 40-50m player at Milan for a few years.
Gulasci is possibly one we couldv'e held on too a little longer, couldv'e even been #1 after Pepe left/started to decline big time....would've been a lot better than wasting 10m on that waster.
Suso perhaps another considering the nominal fee we got for him....he looked like a 40-50m player at Milan for a few years.
That's far too superficial. Without signing Virgil and Alisson, the equivalents at that time of signing Bellingham now, we'd still be waiting for no.19. The best teams strengthen further when they're already strong. They don't just potter along on the basis of "Near enough is good enough".
I do agree with this & I get the fees were extortionate but neither were superstars before we bought them like these other guys.
Did many know about Alisson before we signed him, maybe briefly from the CL tie we played when we kicked their arse but he'd only had 1 season in Italy and wasn't 1 of the worlds best at the time & it's the same with Virgil.....he was a very good Prem defender at the time but at the time he was far far from someone that was seen to win Prem's and CL with.
Tell that to Citeh and the Chavs who both tried hard to muscle in on the deal. Luckily for us Klopp had already worked his magic and Virgil wasn't having any. Alisson didn't yet have quite the same rep but was still well above "bargain" status.
Wasn’t Alisson a World record fee for a GK until Chelsea sign some fanny for more a few weeks later?
I’m 95% with you JJ - the only bit of me that pauses is the but that says we’re being too selective and that there are other players that could be equally transformational if we put in a bit of effort to develop them, particularly if we pick them up earlier.
You’re absolutely right about not just buying anyone - which is absolutely what we used to do - we also need to be bold.
I don't think we're in a rush to sign anyone now.
Surely the strategy is, to sit back and see how the transfer market plays out?
For example, if Colwill goes back to Chelsea pre-season and isn't the preferred option, and starts August games on the bench, maybe we'll go for him late in the window?
Or if Mbappe is forced out by PSG and Real need to raise some funds, perhaps we'll go in for Touchameni again as a DM option.
Or if Saints don't receive any bids for Lavia (as they seem to be expecting a bidding war), and we force their hand late in the window.
The 2 players we signed, kind of seem like starting players, so need to be in early, in preseason.
The 2 players we are said to be looking to sign (LCB and DM), seem like rotation players with the potential to be starters in the near future, so I feel like these players can be bought late in the window, if/when clubs are more willing to sell.
Surely the strategy is, to sit back and see how the transfer market plays out?
For example, if Colwill goes back to Chelsea pre-season and isn't the preferred option, and starts August games on the bench, maybe we'll go for him late in the window?
Or if Mbappe is forced out by PSG and Real need to raise some funds, perhaps we'll go in for Touchameni again as a DM option.
Or if Saints don't receive any bids for Lavia (as they seem to be expecting a bidding war), and we force their hand late in the window.
The 2 players we signed, kind of seem like starting players, so need to be in early, in preseason.
The 2 players we are said to be looking to sign (LCB and DM), seem like rotation players with the potential to be starters in the near future, so I feel like these players can be bought late in the window, if/when clubs are more willing to sell.
I think this makes sense. However, Klopp is on record as saying that he wants all our summer signings to be available for the full pre-season programme, and if he's looking to integrate players straight away then he will need as much time as possible to work with them. But if the remaining players we're going after will be squaddies rather than potential starters in our first game of the season then we can wait to sign them and integrate them later. It's not ideal, but it may make our budget stretch a bit for the reasons you set out.
I also wonder whether we need to make some sales to pay for what we've already done (or what else we plan to do). Our revenues will fall off a cliff next year with no CL so unless we're also going to see huge drops in the wage bill on the same basis then I think we've probably spent most of our budget already.
Agreed, that's a sound strategy for Lavia, as we do have a lot of bodies for midfield now.
I'd argue that a CB is crucial though given that nearly all our CBs (barring van Dijk maybe) are injury prone. There's a crisis just waiting to happen at CB soon. Matip is past his best, is frequently injured and anyway has a year left on his deal. Frankly, we should be trying to sell him. Konate is great when fit, but he has been injury prone throughout his career. Gomez is frequently injured too, and also not the most reliable defender.
You could argue that we need two CBs - one LCB to compete with Robbo in this new 3-man defence, and another to replace Matip/Gomez and provide legitimate competition for Konate at the RCB position.
John Henry is on top of this and will approve the funds to address this in the summer of 2026. In the meanwhile, Allison in the 2025-2026 season.
Absolutely is.
I would argue there are more concerns over Gomez/Matip/VVD/Konate as a collective than Fabinho, Henderson and Bajectic supporting Trent in the double pivot.
I know it's easy to want every signing and issue addressed in a window, but the CB issue feels like we're sleepwalking into a crisis. It doesn't take much imagination to picture a time when Matip, Gomez and Konate are all sidelined. Konate is covering a huge amount of space and making more sprints than ever before, which is an additional factor.
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The wait for opportunities strategy isn’t going to work for us, it’ll leave us where we were this time last year with everyone pointing out and obvious deficiency in the squad and the club focusing on a couple of options who just aren’t possible in this window.
Will we have Klopp saying the fans were right in august before rushing to the signing of the corpse of Ledley King on loan from intensive care for £8m
Will we have Klopp saying the fans were right in august before rushing to the signing of the corpse of Ledley King on loan from intensive care for £8m
However, the new stand will mitigate alot of that along with concerts and events. I think I read somewhere, and this was sometime back, attendances and stadium activities could bring in a total of £140m a year.
I am not sure how much player bonuses are effected non-qualification, if they aren't this year then FSG have F'ed up
Our last reported match day income (for 2021-22 when we played every game possible) was £83m. That's gross income. There'll be a chunky cost of sale coming off that (principally for hospitality) and that figure probably includes catering, retail etc.
Also bear in mind that punters paying for a seasonal hospitality package get those extra games for free - and there's a good chance that the extra costs of running those hospitality packages (provision of food, stewarding etc) wipe out a lot of the extra money we make on ticket sales for non-hospitality packages, especially for domestic cups where we pay half of the seat-only revenue to the away club.
There's no way a few concerts add another £60m - we only have a licence for six nights a year (and we've only done 3 nights the last few years). £10-20m each? Not a chance. And even if they did, that would be gross ticket sales, before paying chunky stewarding costs and huge fees to the kinds of artists who could fill the stadium.
I reckon the concerts won't be adding more than a few £m to our bottom line.
It's the same with pre-season - we're fed all these amazing top-line revenue figures in the media and made to think that pre-season is hugely profitable, but no-one mentions the costs of chartering a 747 for a week or putting the players up in massively expensive hotels, plus the costs of taking loads of club staff along, to say nothing of taxes and levies that we pay overseas and huge commissions to local operators.
Do contracts not factor this type of stuff in? I know they get bonuses for certain things but would be nice if it worked both ways.
They will to some degree, and it will vary player to player based on what was negotiated, but it's likely that their contracts are expressed as basic salary PLUS extra for CL, and that basic wage will likely be set too high for the years when we're not in the CL, otherwise you don't get the deal over the line.
I doubt very much that wages will drop to a level where we can still break-even when in the Europa. I fully expect us to make a loss this year unless we make some decent gains on player sales.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/251158/revenue-of-liverpool-fc-by-stream/
21/22 season we made £112m
21/22 season we made £112m
Euros.
And it's miles off even on that basis. I assume they just made it up. Like most financial information on the internet. Always go to the source.
Slight correction to my earlier post - the accounts say £86,767k. Getting old and my eyesight's not what it used to be.
Here's where you can find the official numbers - turnover breakdown on page 24. Some of the figure will be the Women's team, but only a small amount.
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00035668/filing-history
The only flaw in that argument, though I agree with it, is that it doesn’t make sense for Colwil to leave Chelsea if he’s not starting to be a backup for us.
I think we’ll move on to another target soon - Ibthink we’re waiting to see if Colwil goes back to Chelsea and tells them he wants to move now or signs a new contract - balls in his court.
Lavia, I totally agree with - we can wait for him because Fabs will start.
I still think Thuram is an option… but only if Thiago moves - and Pavard is an option if Matip goes - which means we might hold and sign him on a free next summer when Matip leaves.
Here's a quick summery on what's on Twitter;
Thiago is determined to stay all while talking to Turkish Clubs
Lavia talk is on going, appaz we bid £40m+5m bonuses which Southampton turned down
Levi Colwill, there's still interest despite Chelsea wanting £85m
Veverde and Tchoumeni still being linked for £77m and £69m respectively
Per Schuurs is the alternative CB we are supposed to be looking at and a bid of £34m might persuade his club to sell
Marcos Llorente is a new name being linked but at 28, no way he is moving to a top club
Thuram link is still present but not nearly as ubiquitous as before
Thiago is determined to stay all while talking to Turkish Clubs
Lavia talk is on going, appaz we bid £40m+5m bonuses which Southampton turned down
Levi Colwill, there's still interest despite Chelsea wanting £85m
Veverde and Tchoumeni still being linked for £77m and £69m respectively
Per Schuurs is the alternative CB we are supposed to be looking at and a bid of £34m might persuade his club to sell
Marcos Llorente is a new name being linked but at 28, no way he is moving to a top club
Thuram link is still present but not nearly as ubiquitous as before
Thanks BB.
I'm personally still banking on Veverde happening for 77m and gonna stick my neck out on the line on Colwill and say we wont' be getting him for 85m but Chelsea can still dream their plastic souls away if they think they're getting anywhere near that for a rookie.
I'm personally still banking on Veverde happening for 77m and gonna stick my neck out on the line on Colwill and say we wont' be getting him for 85m but Chelsea can still dream their plastic souls away if they think they're getting anywhere near that for a rookie.
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Great
He is available and they want £70m. Do you see FSG releasing another £70m?
It might be more of a guarantee than lavia for 50
Polish Pete is available for a cheap price, did really good numbers last year though he has a good offer from Saudi @ $15m a year.
Tchoumeni is said to be available for £70m
Amrabat £35m
Koopenmeiners £30m
Thuram £42m
Lavia £50m
Yussuf Foffana £25m
If I had to choose I would choose Thuram and Foffana?
This lad has given a few names I have not looked at
Tchoumeni is said to be available for £70m
Amrabat £35m
Koopenmeiners £30m
Thuram £42m
Lavia £50m
Yussuf Foffana £25m
If I had to choose I would choose Thuram and Foffana?
This lad has given a few names I have not looked at
Alvarez is available in our sweet spot of 30-40m euros
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