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Summer rebuild 2023

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I know that & I think it's a mistake....but it's clear to me he's only playing on the left out the 2 because he prefers his pace out there and trusts him more to help out defensively....what do you think will happen next week when Diaz is back?

Nunez movement at the beginning was brilliant to watch, he had the whole pitch ahead of him to operate in....something that becomes very restricted playing wide.
 
I am still not quite sure how Klopp could start the season with our midfielders. Doesn't he watch them in training? How about during the mid season break? He had by and large insisted we had a midfield which cannot be replaced by players that were available? Really? Even Brighton have a better midfield than ours.

That thought really scares me, that he can't see the shite in the middle of the park we have been witnessing week in week out. When was the last time we dominated midfield? Is he going to be able to fix it since he didn't think there was an issue 3-6 months back?

The jury is out.
 
We'll find out in a few months time KR.

It wasn't long ago before Thiago and Baj both got injured we went into games with a midfield 3 of Baj Thiago and Elliott/Naby so he's obviously aware.
 
Just had a quick look at that Brighton side which is outcompeting us on all except the wages front. None of those players seem to have cost the proverbial arm and leg. Of course, you would need to take punts on players and actually do some genuine world-wide scouting .
 
Red Bird said:
Just had a quick look at that Brighton side which is outcompeting us on all except the wages front. None of those players seem to have cost the proverbial arm and leg. Of course, you would need to take punts on players and actually do some genuine world-wide scouting .
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It's clear they have some kind of south american duds within their scouting system who can identity hot talent without even searching it up but they are 1 of very few sides in all of Europe's top tiers who are overachieving as greatly as they are.

Lens in France are very similar in that aspect.
 
The likes of Brighton and Brentford have been executing Moneyball to precision, haven't they? Having multiple/sister clubs help too.

Would be nice if we can make another Robertson or Gini type signing. Minamino was probably the last "successful" one cos at least we made a profit (+ his cup competition goals were useful)?

Sales, stats and strategies: how Brighton and Brentford stay one step ahead
[article]Brighton’s owner, Tony Bloom, and his Brentford counterpart, Matthew Benham, have clubs in other countries. Bloom has Royale Union Saint-Gilloise in Belgium’s top flight and Benham owns Midtjylland in Denmark. This expands their network and allows young signings to spend time in Europe to adapt and improve. For example, Frank Onyeka had five years at Midtjylland after arriving from Nigeria before being sold to Brentford.[/article]
 
LarryHagman said:
To be fair, if it was us sniffing around this unknown talent, they'd wouldn't be the same price that Brighton get them for.
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In all likelihood true but they would still not be going for the crazy amounts for which Fernandez and Caicedo, for example, are being quoted. After all, how much did City pay for Alvarez?
 
15M? Brighton paid £7M for McAllister. I guess it's short change but it seems we don't fancy paying £15M for potential hence Klopp calling for us to be a bit bolder. I don't really know, guessing. But you're right, it beats paying Benfica £80M for the cunt 6 months later.
 
LarryHagman said:
15M? Brighton paid £7M for McAllister. I guess it's short change but it seems we don't fancy paying £15M for potential hence Klopp calling for us to be a bit bolder. I don't really know, guessing. But you're right, it beats paying Benfica £80M for the cunt 6 months later.
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Imagine how much Brighton would ask for Mac Allister now?
I doubt that he would have cost us more than double that £7 million …I’ll wager there are sell-on clauses in those agreements which justify the low initial fees, unlikely to be triggered if it had been Liverpool and not Brighton.
 
King Binny said:
The likes of Brighton and Brentford have been executing Moneyball to precision, haven't they? Having multiple/sister clubs help too.

Would be nice if we can make another Robertson or Gini type signing. Minamino was probably the last "successful" one cos at least we made a profit (+ his cup competition goals were useful)?

Sales, stats and strategies: how Brighton and Brentford stay one step ahead
[article]Brighton’s owner, Tony Bloom, and his Brentford counterpart, Matthew Benham, have clubs in other countries. Bloom has Royale Union Saint-Gilloise in Belgium’s top flight and Benham owns Midtjylland in Denmark. This expands their network and allows young signings to spend time in Europe to adapt and improve. For example, Frank Onyeka had five years at Midtjylland after arriving from Nigeria before being sold to Brentford.[/article]
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I was watching ESPN the other day and Craig Burley brought up a very good point. If we are so "Moneyball" savvy, why haven't we bought VVD before he went to Southampton, or Ali before he went to Roma. Perhaps our recruitment team is not all that, proven by the lack of activities and proactive replacements of tired players in recent years.
 
KopRed said:
I was watching ESPN the other day and Craig Burley brought up a very good point. If we are so "Moneyball" savvy, why haven't we bought VVD before he went to Southampton, or Ali before he went to Roma. Perhaps our recruitment team is not all that, proven by the lack of activities and proactive replacements of tired players in recent years.
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A very good point.
 


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KopRed said:
I was watching ESPN the other day and Craig Burley brought up a very good point. If we are so "Moneyball" savvy, why haven't we bought VVD before he went to Southampton, or Ali before he went to Roma. Perhaps our recruitment team is not all that, proven by the lack of activities and proactive replacements of tired players in recent years.
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This is something I posted a couple of years ago when a few people were creaming themselves about (cough) Patson Daka. I think the point about needing players to have at least enough quality to go straight into the first team still stands. NB we also saw with Minamino what happens when we sign a player who isn't good enough (or a good enough fit) to get first team minutes, and we're probably seeing it with Carvalho too. Both of those players were at bargain fees so were worth the risk for us.
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I kind of think Daka is in a similar place to Virgil when he left Celtic - he’s clearly better than the level he’s at, but it’s not clear if he’s Big Six level. You’d like to see him go to a mid-table club to prove his worth, but you know his value would rocket. If we were smart, we’d be all over his agent to get him to a mid-table premier league club but with a big-club release clause in his contract so if he proves himself we could sign him, but not at a huge premium (like what happens when Salzburg players move to Liepzig). Problem is if we sign him and he isn’t immediately top class then we won’t be able to give him the minutes he needs to develop, but we also don’t have the money to tie up in a player who we’ll be putting out on loan to learn his trade. Bit of a dilemma all around.
 
MacAllister isn't a player to transform our midfield. He's a player to add to an already good midfield; which we don't have unforts. He shouldn't be a marquee signing but that's not to say he isn't an excellent player.
BUT, if we signed Jude, were sniffing around Tielemans etc. he'd compliment that well.
 
Beamrider said:
This is something I posted a couple of years ago when a few people were creaming themselves about (cough) Patson Daka. I think the point about needing players to have at least enough quality to go straight into the first team still stands. NB we also saw with Minamino what happens when we sign a player who isn't good enough (or a good enough fit) to get first team minutes, and we're probably seeing it with Carvalho too. Both of those players were at bargain fees so were worth the risk for us.
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I kind of think Daka is in a similar place to Virgil when he left Celtic - he’s clearly better than the level he’s at, but it’s not clear if he’s Big Six level. You’d like to see him go to a mid-table club to prove his worth, but you know his value would rocket. If we were smart, we’d be all over his agent to get him to a mid-table premier league club but with a big-club release clause in his contract so if he proves himself we could sign him, but not at a huge premium (like what happens when Salzburg players move to Liepzig). Problem is if we sign him and he isn’t immediately top class then we won’t be able to give him the minutes he needs to develop, but we also don’t have the money to tie up in a player who we’ll be putting out on loan to learn his trade. Bit of a dilemma all around.
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I was one who wanted Daka, I still believe he is quality, and is the right player in the wrong team.
If our budget is £50m, then we are going to have to look at players in the £20-30m mark. When was the last time we let a player go for anything over £40m? We sell academy graduates sometimes cobbling together £30-£40m.
Our whole transfer system is a shambles, and unsustainable
 
LarryHagman said:
MacAllister isn't a player to transform our midfield. He's a player to add to an already good midfield; which we don't have unforts. He shouldn't be a marquee signing but that's not to say he isn't an excellent player.
BUT, if we signed Jude, were sniffing around Tielemans etc. he'd compliment that well.
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MacAllister is incredible at high counter-pressing, the energy he brings while playing at the WC. I can't believe we haven't been sniffing around him.
 
KopRed said:
MacAllister is incredible at high counter-pressing, the energy he brings while playing at the WC. I can't believe we haven't been sniffing around him.
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That’s because we have Henderson, Fabinho, Milner, Keita, Oxlade Chamberlain and Elliott in our squad, hadn’t you heard? Who would you drop from that magnificent pack?

Seriously, though, I’d be miffed of he, Caicedo and Bellingham are the sum total of our targets. Not after the season we’ve just had and not from what other clubs seem to be able to get and then demand 4 to 5 times half a season later.

Beamrider said:
This is something I posted a couple of years ago when a few people were creaming themselves about (cough) Patson Daka. I think the point about needing players to have at least enough quality to go straight into the first team still stands. NB we also saw with Minamino what happens when we sign a player who isn't good enough (or a good enough fit) to get first team minutes, and we're probably seeing it with Carvalho too. Both of those players were at bargain fees so were worth the risk for us.
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I kind of think Daka is in a similar place to Virgil when he left Celtic - he’s clearly better than the level he’s at, but it’s not clear if he’s Big Six level. You’d like to see him go to a mid-table club to prove his worth, but you know his value would rocket. If we were smart, we’d be all over his agent to get him to a mid-table premier league club but with a big-club release clause in his contract so if he proves himself we could sign him, but not at a huge premium (like what happens when Salzburg players move to Liepzig). Problem is if we sign him and he isn’t immediately top class then we won’t be able to give him the minutes he needs to develop, but we also don’t have the money to tie up in a player who we’ll be putting out on loan to learn his trade. Bit of a dilemma all around.
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The main problem with the above isn't that players need to play at some mid table team for a spell-- it is players whose quoted fees quadruple in half a season of playing in the Premier League or somewhere in Europe.

I still think we should have got van Dijk before he went to Southampton for far less than awe paid-- he didn't get significantly better at Southampton than he was at Celtic, he was just more noticed more by our scouts. Same with Becker-- that was an almost record fee for a keeper so no bargain there.

Minamino was (and still is) a fine player, we just didn't have the guts to give him a prolonged run of games in the middle of that intsn. Same applies to Carvalho at the moment-- I'd start him over many of our regulars right now.
 
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He's proper good. Possibly the best midfielder in the league this season
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A great DM is the most important part of any team in the PL at the moment. Good attackers are dime a dozen, with a strong DM almost any attack can function to a good enough level to compete.

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We ran ours into the ground and we're fucked. Chelsea's was crocked and they were fucked. Brighton bought a good one and they're flying. If we don't fix it, no other piece of the puzzle matters.
 
Good player. Not sure if he’s an option for us. But a good player who is ready for a move to a bigger club.
 
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