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Dreambeliever

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So last year dispite his suspension and apparent lack of cutting edge in front of goal he scored

17 goals from 39 and had 10 assists for Liverpool.

This season he already has 6 in 8 games and 3 assists.

Can he continue his goalscoring for the season and end up with 25 to 30 goals in all comps?

If he does we won't be far off the top 4 if not in it.
 
Like I said yesterday, he'll get 20 odd. In fact he'll prob get closer to 25, which is a great season for him.

He's not the issue though, and we can't make the correlation between him hitting 20-30 odd and us getting top 4.

Van Persie scored 800 goals last year, and Arsenal just made top 4 and still finished about 20 points off City. Same with us, as you point out - Suarez got 17 and we finished 8th for fucks sake.

We need more goals from the front 5 or 6 (those outside of Suarez really), and whether we achieve that or not will have the ultimate bearing on where we finish.
 
Only 11 of his goals last season were in the league though.
If he manages to double this number this season it will give us a real boost towards the top 4. I think this is a realistic number as he's been scoring regularly throughout his career (both for Ajax and for the Uruguay national team), and following a stormy first 18 months with us, I hope he's now focused and knows better what he needs to do for getting them in the EPL.
I agree that we need the goals coming from other players too. I hope the likes of Sahin, Gerrard, Sterling, Suso and Borini can contribute here, and hopefully we get a striker in January, which can give us some momentum going into the 2nd part of the season
 
Ryan said:
Like I said yesterday, he'll get 20 odd. In fact he'll prob get closer to 25, which is a great season for him.

He's not the issue though, and we can't make the correlation between him hitting 20-30 odd and us getting top 4.

Van Persie scored 800 goals last year, and Arsenal just made top 4 and still finished about 20 points off City. Same with us, as you point out - Suarez got 17 and we finished 8th for fucks sake.

We need more goals from the front 5 or 6 (those outside of Suarez really), and whether we achieve that or not will have the ultimate bearing on where we finish.
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Van Persie got 801 goals, one of them counted as double.
 
Ryan said:
Like I said yesterday, he'll get 20 odd. In fact he'll prob get closer to 25, which is a great season for him.

He's not the issue though, and we can't make the correlation between him hitting 20-30 odd and us getting top 4.

Van Persie scored 800 goals last year, and Arsenal just made top 4 and still finished about 20 points off City. Same with us, as you point out - Suarez got 17 and we finished 8th for fucks sake.

We need more goals from the front 5 or 6 (those outside of Suarez really), and whether we achieve that or not will have the ultimate bearing on where we finish.
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Dead on.

I think lucad returning with Allen plating further up will help get some more from there, but ultimately I fear (youngsters aside) we may not have the cutting edge in goals from midfield.
 
Really Jon? I think if anything that will limit the amount of goals from elsewhere, neither Allen nor Lucas are goal getters and while Allen is key in build up play, he's not going to get an abundance of direct assists either. With Sahin at the minute (and Shelvey to a degree) we look much more likely to score.

Unfortunately we look just as likely to concede too.
 
mark1975 said:
Really Jon? I think if anything that will limit the amount of goals from elsewhere, neither Allen nor Lucas are goal getters and while Allen is key in build up play, he's not going to get an abundance of direct assists either. With Şahin at the minute (and Shelvey to a degree) we look much more likely to score.

Unfortunately we look just as likely to concede too.
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Heh, wanna bet on it mate?

If he plays further up the ground, he'll be getting assists.
 
Ryan said:
Heh, wanna bet on it mate?

If he plays further up the ground, he'll be getting assists.
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Course he will, but it's not really the point, and while I do think he's a great all round player who will be in the thick of it, I don't think it's going to have a direct impact on the amount of goals we score, not that significantly. Either way, we look more likely to score with Sahin and or Shelvey in there, in comparison to Allen AND Lucas (and you know I rate all of them). I guess it's about finding a balance with what's there, I just see less goals with Lucas and Allen, that's not to say it won't be the better combination for us though. The crux of the issue is still that we need more goal scorers in the attacking roles, this issue is really just missing the point, the difference it would make wouldn't, as I said, be that significant.
 
Outside of Suarez we really don't have other plays who look like they will score often. That is the problem
 
mark1975 said:
'Can' being the key word there.
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Indeed you are correct but like last year, we had players who CAN score but they didn't...

We have players who can score but they don't look like scoring.

You have to admit when you look at our team you do wonder were the goals will come from if Suarez has one of those days.
 
Just something I read on Sunday. Suarez has scored as many league goals in his first fifty league games as Rushie did. Not sure what that means but....
 
He will as soon as he's moved into the middle. Read some interesting comments by Rodgers on Borini, and he's only been played out wide in his second best position because of our lack of alternatives.

He was supposed to be eased into the side, but since we fucked up in the transfer market that didnt happen. Borini will score goals, and plenty of them if he's given time. He shouldnt be judged on his performances out wide.
 
mark1975 said:
Course he will, but it's not really the point, and while I do think he's a great all round player who will be in the thick of it, I don't think it's going to have a direct impact on the amount of goals we score, not that significantly. Either way, we look more likely to score with Şahin and or Shelvey in there, in comparison to Allen AND Lucas (and you know I rate all of them). I guess it's about finding a balance with what's there, I just see less goals with Lucas and Allen, that's not to say it won't be the better combination for us though. The crux of the issue is still that we need more goal scorers in the attacking roles, this issue is really just missing the point, the difference it would make wouldn't, as I said, be that significant.
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But with lucas retaining possession & having Allen to give it to quickly we'll be spending more time on the ball further up the pitch. Ergo we'll have more chances from the midfield areas. More chances equal more goals, however as I alluded to, I'm not convinced the personnel are up to it.

That said moyes had a team full of players of that ilk & time & patience has transformed that side & those players into regular goal scorers, so it's not unimaginable.
 
Perfectly acceptable JF.
The original post really makes the point we are all avoiding, is the return is excellent for someone who is not a natural scorer, perhaps we find out this season that he is.


regards
 
Vlads Quiff said:
Perfectly acceptable JF.
The original post really makes the point we are all avoiding, is the return is excellent for someone who is not a natural scorer, perhaps we find out this season that he is.


regards
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I don't think he is a natural goalscorer in the mould of fowler or even Owen, but very few are.

However his record for Uruguay shows with good intelligent movement around him & the ball in the right areas more often he can be far more prolific.
 
We simply need another goal threat to take some of the marking off him

Im sure suarez had his best scoring run for us when partnering Carroll, as the defenders had to split who they were marking
 
Fabio said:
We simply need another goal threat to take some of the marking off him

Im sure suarez had his best scoring run for us when partnering Carroll, as the defenders had to split who they were marking
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I think his best scoring run has been this season?
 
He scored 9 goals in the 18 games he played in after Feb 1st last year. Can't be bothered checking which Carroll also played in, but I he scored three of them against Norwich, where Carroll didn't play.
 
Maybe Norwich are just shit?

Fair enough anyways, hopefully he can do it alone, I just think he needs more space

(although sterling and aissadi could easily help with that)
 
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