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1.19 goals/game. Would've come 3rd in that earlier chart.
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1.19 goals/game. Would've come 3rd in that earlier chart.
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I think it would purely be because just doing top division would cast the net over another 80+ years and just throw in names that no one knows.
174 PL Games from Henry & Bergkamp together is awesome. The benefits of a consistent core in the team and not too many injuries. If we got another 2-3 seasons out of them together I think they would easily surpass that.
Abso-fucking-lutely. Really really hate it.
You still haven't answered that Foreign Voyeurs question - I'm going to harass you until you do !
Apologies. What was the question?
IMO talking about the 'Premier League era' as a separate entity is very reasonable, because the money that came in with it changed the division pretty significantly. The standard became much higher because it could attract international stars.
Oh right. I mean that there are those who live far afield (as I did myself for much of the 90s) who have a love and passion for the Reds that is as obsessive as those who are lucky enough to get to go to a game or two. True fans who might live in Asia, the US , australai, wherever, for whom the success or failure of the team is felt deeply. And then there are those who seem to have picked a team and then used it as some sort of platform for their own agendas, trolling, and generally putting their own agendas ahead of supporting the club with no actual real support involved. Does that make sense?
Who the chuff, who the chuff, who the chuffing hell are you? Who the chu-u-u-uffing hell are you?
OK thanks for the explanation - it came across slightly differently than you intended I think but I didn't want to take offence if I was seeing something which wasn't actually there (as your explanation makes clear it wasn't ..... and I'm not actually 'foreign' in that sense anyway regardless of where I live). Cheers Sean.
Though that was a gradual process with nothing like the vast sums on offer today so it's not like the league changed overnight. I still rile every time I hear PL era mentioned as if Liverpool's own history prior to that were totally irrelevant. The 'Liverpool have never won a PL title' being the prime example.
Not overnight, but quickly, and directly traceable to that change. By 1995 Bergkamp was at Arsenal: I struggle to think of a single equivalent transfer from the 'pre-1992' era.
Ardiles and Villa to Spurs after winning the World Cup in '78?
Anway, the Premier League is responsible for players like Lucas Neil earning 70 grand a week. It can fuck off. What was wrong with a load of scots, taffs and paddies filling up the league? Remember when a world cup meant you got to see almost mythical figures that you had heard of but rarely seen? now the wolrd cup final might as well be the two manchester clubs versus chelsea and man city. Boo I say. boooooo!
I'm not sure you've got the hang of this internet forum thing Frogfish. You are meant to read into my comments whatever you want to so you can fly into a spittle-flecked rage and then abuse me and call me a cunt. Not send a rational and reasonable request for an explanation.
Come on now!
This thread seems to be going off on a bit of tangent. Still I'm not sure why you don't recognise the massive changes that came into play after the league changed from the old school division one to the premiership. For better or worse they are loads different. Money, TV coverage, fan support to name just three. There is a clear distinction between the two.
Bastard.
True, but winning the league is still the pinnacle, and we did actually win it. History that has been airbrushed out by Sky etc.
To get us back on track, Sturridge is awesome. I just wish he would ask God to not let him ever miss. He thanks Him when he scores. It's only fair.
Oh that's bad.
None of those reflect the performances of teams prior to the PL's formation. Basically the 'PL Generation' is saying our 18 titles are worth SFA.
I'm not sure if you are being deliberately obtuse here. All I'm saying is there is a distinction between the two. Of course I know the game wasn't reinvented so of course our 18 lovelies are rightly revered (and not considered Scottish Football Association as you put it). Whether you like it or not the culture of the game changed and so the football 'era' that we live in today is different from what it used to be. You know because of the passage of time (and shit) 🙂
Mate. I think you are the one being obtuse. It should be patently obvious what I'm saying. I know very well what has happened to the game, I've not been living in a Sky-free cave for the past 20+ years.
Now whenever any stats are given by Sky (talk about brain-washing) they are only ever about what has happened in the PL era (and the media has taken up that baton) which just so happened to be broadcast by Sky from Day 1.
That is not only disrespectful to the history of the game and the clubs involved but it distorts the facts. There should be no demarcation line drawn between PL and Division One, the fact there is is actually blatant marketing by Sky but since the majority of people watching probably don't remember much of the pre-PL era they are oblivious to this continual bombardment of PL / Sky rhetoric.
SFA = Sweet Fuck All.
I know you silly sausage. I was being deliberately obtuse....
I'm not sure why any of it bothers you. The stats are there and in the bag (so to speak). Even Sky admits that we have won 18 titles and are still the most successful team in English football history. For the record your view doesn't irk me in the slightest - I can kind of it get it even though I don't concur. Agree to disagree and all that good sir. 😉
a cheeky thread a couple of months ago about him eclipsing the likes of Kenny and co has recently become slightly more realistic ;-)
I am beginning to wonder whether he will overtake Suarez's goal tally this season?
I am beginning to wonder whether he will overtake Suarez's goal tally this season?
Mark Lawrenson's column dated 7 Jan 2013:
[article=http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/the-mark-lawrenson-column-demba-ba-1522175#ixzz2uPNV3ztz ]Danny Sturridge may have matched Demba Ba by scoring on his debut but, for me, Chelsea have got the better deal.
Two years ago Stoke wanted to take him but were frightened off by a knee injury. Since then, Ba has proved he is a top-class Premier League striker.
He has not missed a game, was top scorer at West Ham and has been in double figures two seasons running for Newcastle.
You know what you are getting with him and I think he is a really good player. I’d take him over Sturridge all day long.
Ba had a spell playing out wide at Newcastle where the goals dried up, but in the centre-forward position with the right service he will score goals.
In fact, for the money that Chelsea have paid I think he is an absolute steal. I have no idea why Liverpool decided against Ba and went for Sturridge.
They want to get into the Champions League this year and that is not an impossible task with the inconsistencies of the clubs up there.
And when you consider the amount of money that Liverpool have laid out in previous transfer windows, £7million for a fella who has scored on a regular basis in the Premier League is small beer, isn’t it?
Ba would have helped them enormously as every season they fail to get into the Champions League they get further away.
Everybody above them will be strengthening their teams in the summer and will continue to do so.
My reservations with Sturridge centre around the fact that he has some growing up to do and I’m not sure whether he will be able to see the big picture on the pitch.
Sturridge thinks he should be in the team every week – but you then have to back that up with some kind of substance.
He is quick and he can finish and he might be lucky that Liverpool could be persuaded to move Luis Suarez into a withdrawn, left-sided position.
The would be a gamble for Brendan Rodgers because if Suarez stops scoring then people will question him.
Ba is absolute class but Sturridge a top player? I have my doubts.[/article]
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[article=http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/the-mark-lawrenson-column-demba-ba-1522175#ixzz2uPNV3ztz ]Danny Sturridge may have matched Demba Ba by scoring on his debut but, for me, Chelsea have got the better deal.
Two years ago Stoke wanted to take him but were frightened off by a knee injury. Since then, Ba has proved he is a top-class Premier League striker.
He has not missed a game, was top scorer at West Ham and has been in double figures two seasons running for Newcastle.
You know what you are getting with him and I think he is a really good player. I’d take him over Sturridge all day long.
Ba had a spell playing out wide at Newcastle where the goals dried up, but in the centre-forward position with the right service he will score goals.
In fact, for the money that Chelsea have paid I think he is an absolute steal. I have no idea why Liverpool decided against Ba and went for Sturridge.
They want to get into the Champions League this year and that is not an impossible task with the inconsistencies of the clubs up there.
And when you consider the amount of money that Liverpool have laid out in previous transfer windows, £7million for a fella who has scored on a regular basis in the Premier League is small beer, isn’t it?
Ba would have helped them enormously as every season they fail to get into the Champions League they get further away.
Everybody above them will be strengthening their teams in the summer and will continue to do so.
My reservations with Sturridge centre around the fact that he has some growing up to do and I’m not sure whether he will be able to see the big picture on the pitch.
Sturridge thinks he should be in the team every week – but you then have to back that up with some kind of substance.
He is quick and he can finish and he might be lucky that Liverpool could be persuaded to move Luis Suarez into a withdrawn, left-sided position.
The would be a gamble for Brendan Rodgers because if Suarez stops scoring then people will question him.
Ba is absolute class but Sturridge a top player? I have my doubts.[/article]
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