Spirit Of Shankly Thread
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Stone him!
I've said before, the sos did a fair few things that at least contributed to helping the club get rid of h&g, primarily getting loads of publicity, by whatever means that they could.
They also arranged the stadium stay behinds & ensured that there was little if any animosity that spilled out whilst the players were on the pitch.
On top of that the swift & unrelenting email campaigns against anyone hicks contacted for refinancing must have had some effect, esp as it was done so early on & constantly referenced boycotts of merchandise & future revenue streams which would have been an investors primary concern.
I do think their model of a trade union does them little good & helps sustain an image they could well do without, but they did help sustain pressure on h&g & don't deserve the blanket slagging they always seem to get.
They also arranged the stadium stay behinds & ensured that there was little if any animosity that spilled out whilst the players were on the pitch.
On top of that the swift & unrelenting email campaigns against anyone hicks contacted for refinancing must have had some effect, esp as it was done so early on & constantly referenced boycotts of merchandise & future revenue streams which would have been an investors primary concern.
I do think their model of a trade union does them little good & helps sustain an image they could well do without, but they did help sustain pressure on h&g & don't deserve the blanket slagging they always seem to get.
Well said. You don't have to agree with their methods but most of their intentions are reasonable and they do some positive things
Seems anyone / any body that speak publicly and passionately about the club, SOS, RTK, Dave Kirkby etc are laughed at, derided, most times by people who sit at home moaning on the Internet, slagging players, managers, Liverpool legends burying their head in the sand, having fuck all to say about the shit tricks our lovely owners are up to.
yep, whats your fucking point? you think this is a liverpool forum or something? should we start a petition? im gona have a sit down at the next match over how shite dave kirbys 'poetry' is, is that better than doing it over the internet?
Mate, I don't believe people speaking passionately about our club, be it publicly or otherwise, are generally derided by fellow fans, not least the internet fans, who despite your scorn played a huge part in the email campaign that played a part in the demise of H&G.
What does get people's goat up, is some people claiming to represent the views of all Liverpool fans or even more condescending claiming that their views and their support is superior to all who don't share their viewpoint
The other aspect of all this mobilisation of the fans standing up for what they think is right defeats it's own objective, do you think the current owners would have been so keen on buying us if they could not have got us at the right price? Would they fuck, and rest assured on this, despite what the conspiracy theorists might say, I am certain they were a better option than some of the people that were sniffing around.
It defeats its own objective by making us unsaleable , if one fans group or the other did get powerful enough (which I doubt that they would, but their publicity thinks it does).
It would be just like the position Rafa now finds himself in, who on earth is going to be mad enough to take on Rafa given his record of petulance with owners, and if comrades SoS did get a strong foothold, who on earth would take on us given the fans demands and petulance with owners (if they were right or wrong). They would like Liverpool fans because there are many of us, from all over the world, we are passionate and turn up but being told what to do by the fans is a different matter.
JF was it not another organisation that waged the internet war?
So where does this fan-power stop anyway? "
"They won't give Fabio another contract?" - Let's march on the ground.
"We don't like Ian Aire 'cos he rides a motor bike and wears Paul Smith Shirts" - Boycott the match
"We they don't serve the right pies at half time" Stay behind and protest
It would just get fucking stupid, these are the rules.
1) They own the club
2) They have to make it pay, so run it how they see fit (we did have the chance at buying it remember but all the "hard core" support from all over the world was just dust and empty gestures
3) We are customers if you like it or not
4) We turn up and pay our money and buy the merchandise or we don't - that's up to us
regards
It defeats its own objective by making us unsaleable , if one fans group or the other did get powerful enough (which I doubt that they would, but their publicity thinks it does).
It would be just like the position Rafa now finds himself in, who on earth is going to be mad enough to take on Rafa given his record of petulance with owners, and if comrades SoS did get a strong foothold, who on earth would take on us given the fans demands and petulance with owners (if they were right or wrong). They would like Liverpool fans because there are many of us, from all over the world, we are passionate and turn up but being told what to do by the fans is a different matter.
JF was it not another organisation that waged the internet war?
So where does this fan-power stop anyway? "
"They won't give Fabio another contract?" - Let's march on the ground.
"We don't like Ian Aire 'cos he rides a motor bike and wears Paul Smith Shirts" - Boycott the match
"We they don't serve the right pies at half time" Stay behind and protest
It would just get fucking stupid, these are the rules.
1) They own the club
2) They have to make it pay, so run it how they see fit (we did have the chance at buying it remember but all the "hard core" support from all over the world was just dust and empty gestures
3) We are customers if you like it or not
4) We turn up and pay our money and buy the merchandise or we don't - that's up to us
regards
Exactly this.
Indeed so
None of that made a blind bit of difference. Banks would have lent if the figures stacked up and the economy wasn't going tits up at the time.
They are a bunch of halfwits who arrange convenient and easy to do protests that have fuck all bearing on anything. It's all for show.
I missed ardja to be honest. I like to come on here to talk to dickheads, not just cool dudes like me.
Isnt that a bit like saying that a trade union has no place oranising the workforce, struggling for better conditions & wages etc. as the company is ultimately owned buy the owners and its their right to pay people what, and treat them how, they like? In fact there are many who believe that, but I'm sure you arent one of them.
PS - Playign devil's advocate, I'm not in SOS, though I do have some sympathies
You also have to wary about likening a football team to a business although they are essentially the latter nowadays. The problem with such an analogy is that, unlike most businesses, there is not a choice. If I buy a Samsung telly and it doesn't live up to expectations then I'm unlikely to buy another one and I'll go out and buy a Sony or something. Saying something like don't go the match or buy the merchandise is not something as simple as a consumer choice. You don't consciously do either with the view that you're receiving some form of good or services for your outlay. You buy it to show your support for the sporting institution of Liverpool - the team, the club, the badge. If it disappoints you then it's not like you can suddenly switch brand is it ?
I think fans are entitled to express concern for the club where it is warranted although I do think protests are ultimately futile. If we are customers, like it or not, then the club - sorry, the business - should, like all good businesses, listen to what their customers want although the impact of not doing that is seldom seen short term.
I think fans are entitled to express concern for the club where it is warranted although I do think protests are ultimately futile. If we are customers, like it or not, then the club - sorry, the business - should, like all good businesses, listen to what their customers want although the impact of not doing that is seldom seen short term.
Yes , good points Sunny and Tom. I think in reality lies somewhere in between, but I do reserve the right to make my choices and not have someone purporting, or at the very least could be seen as speaking on my behalf, and in doing so automatically have an issue with a fans Union.
I suppose the real answer is , like with real unions, is that the silent majority also have to buy-in to ensure it is balanced, unfortunately the silent majority don't have the same appetite and the extremists almost invariably end up in charge.
I suppose the real answer is , like with real unions, is that the silent majority also have to buy-in to ensure it is balanced, unfortunately the silent majority don't have the same appetite and the extremists almost invariably end up in charge.
As I think I have "confessed" before I was one of those that you might refer to as an extremist back in the mid 80's in the halcyon days of Liverpool City Council vs the world 🙂
Of course I have mellowed, widened and moved to Ireland since then, but it may help explain my tolerance & sympathy for our young militant friends
Of course I have mellowed, widened and moved to Ireland since then, but it may help explain my tolerance & sympathy for our young militant friends
Those people have a lot to answer for. They ruined a good case against Thatch's domestic policies by overstating it to the nth degree, because some of them had bigger political axes to grind. The whole city suffered for their extremism.
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SOS Statement on Regeneration Proposals
Wednesday 17 October 2012 at 12:24
Given our work to progress the Football Quarter initiative and our ongoing constitutional commitment to the improvement of the Anfield neighbourhood, Spirit of Shankly welcomes Monday's announcement of plans for the long awaited, and much needed, regeneration of the Anfield area. In particular, the Union notes the key role played by Mayor Joe Anderson and Liverpool City Council in bringing key agencies together to produce the regeneration masterplan.
This masterplan, which builds upon Liverpool City Council's proposals presented earlier in the Summer, is intended to deliver Mayor Anderson's vision of:
"A future of high quality housing, first-class retail and leisure facilities, and at the heart of it all, a world-class football stadium, playing host to one of the world’s most famous clubs."
For Liverpool supporters the key element of Monday's announcement was Liverpool's Football Club's re-affirmation of previous statements of preference for redeveloping the existing Anfield stadium over building a new stadium in Stanley Park. The "Stadium Issue" has been a subject of much frustration among supporters and Anfield residents for many years and, while recognising that Ian Ayre's statement was far from conclusive, Spirit of Shankly welcomes Monday's communication.
Nevertheless, the experience of Anfield residents and Liverpool supporters alike ensures we appreciate that there is still a tremendous amount of work to be undertaken before the stadium expansion is confirmed and the local area's regeneration begins to take shape. However, we hope that dialogue can be maintained between all stakeholders, ensuring that the needs of the residents, supporters, club, council and city are met and the twin challenges of re-invigorating the Anfield neighbourhood and providing Liverpool FC with a stadium worthy of the club's position in world football can finally be overcome.
For our part, Spirit of Shankly will continue to work with partners in the Football Quarter and strive to ensure that local residents and supporters, as well as millionaire footballers and billionaire investment funds, benefit from Anfield's renewal.
SOS Statement on Regeneration Proposals
Wednesday 17 October 2012 at 12:24
Given our work to progress the Football Quarter initiative and our ongoing constitutional commitment to the improvement of the Anfield neighbourhood, Spirit of Shankly welcomes Monday's announcement of plans for the long awaited, and much needed, regeneration of the Anfield area. In particular, the Union notes the key role played by Mayor Joe Anderson and Liverpool City Council in bringing key agencies together to produce the regeneration masterplan.
This masterplan, which builds upon Liverpool City Council's proposals presented earlier in the Summer, is intended to deliver Mayor Anderson's vision of:
"A future of high quality housing, first-class retail and leisure facilities, and at the heart of it all, a world-class football stadium, playing host to one of the world’s most famous clubs."
For Liverpool supporters the key element of Monday's announcement was Liverpool's Football Club's re-affirmation of previous statements of preference for redeveloping the existing Anfield stadium over building a new stadium in Stanley Park. The "Stadium Issue" has been a subject of much frustration among supporters and Anfield residents for many years and, while recognising that Ian Ayre's statement was far from conclusive, Spirit of Shankly welcomes Monday's communication.
Nevertheless, the experience of Anfield residents and Liverpool supporters alike ensures we appreciate that there is still a tremendous amount of work to be undertaken before the stadium expansion is confirmed and the local area's regeneration begins to take shape. However, we hope that dialogue can be maintained between all stakeholders, ensuring that the needs of the residents, supporters, club, council and city are met and the twin challenges of re-invigorating the Anfield neighbourhood and providing Liverpool FC with a stadium worthy of the club's position in world football can finally be overcome.
For our part, Spirit of Shankly will continue to work with partners in the Football Quarter and strive to ensure that local residents and supporters, as well as millionaire footballers and billionaire investment funds, benefit from Anfield's renewal.
Exactly, they didn't really need to say millionaire or billionaire.
Exactly. I hate unions as a general rule anyway but they do tend to at least serve a purpose, which is why they were set up in the first place. This lot are trying to create a purpose for themselves where there is no need. I don't really see how there is a place for them in any kind of local regeneration programme at all. The club, the council and local residents are the major stakeholders in that. SOS have just seen their chance to try and stick their noses in, and the last sentence, tinged with bitterness as it is, suggests to me that this is not going too well for them
The SOS fellas came across as a rather likeable bunch on the telly the other day - Reminded me a bit of the fast show guy 'Ron Manager'.
'Oh, those Brazilians, you know? Circa 1970? Broke the mould. Theory out the window. Free expression of football. Uncategorisable. Is that a word? It is now! You know? Far cry from small boys in the park, jumpers for goalposts. Rush goalie. Two at the back, three in the middle, four up front, one's gone home for his tea. Beans on toast? Possibly, don't quote me on that. Marvellous.'
'Oh, those Brazilians, you know? Circa 1970? Broke the mould. Theory out the window. Free expression of football. Uncategorisable. Is that a word? It is now! You know? Far cry from small boys in the park, jumpers for goalposts. Rush goalie. Two at the back, three in the middle, four up front, one's gone home for his tea. Beans on toast? Possibly, don't quote me on that. Marvellous.'
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