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I must admit, while I was impressed with Joe Gomez in s couple of the handful of games he played, I think his standing seems to have risen because he's been injured.

This is despite the fact, he's not a LB.

For me Gomez starts from scratch again - mainly because we don't know what that injury has done to him long term.

No way he's the answer.

Absolutely not.

In fact - him, Milner, Klavan & Sakho shouldn't be mentioned in LB discussions.
 
StevieM said:
I must admit, while I was impressed with Joe Gomez in s couple of the handful of games he played, I think his standing seems to have risen because he's been injured.

This is despite the fact, he's not a LB.

For me Gomez starts from scratch again - mainly because we don't know what that injury has done to him long term.

No way he's the answer.

Absolutely not.

In fact - him, Milner, Klavan & Sakho shouldn't be mentioned in LB discussions.
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Gomez is a centre back in the same way Martin Kelly was a centre back - in name only.

Gomez was a legit Premiership full back and better than Moreno and all other internal options.

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Rosco said:
Gomez is a centre back in the same way Martin Kelly was a centre back - in name only.

Gomez was a legit Premiership full back and better than Moreno and all other internal options.

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Was Carragher CB in name only as well? Because he started playing regularly at CB during the 04/05 season.
Or what are you getting at?
 
Modo said:
Was Carragher CB in name only as well? Because he started playing regularly at CB during the 04/05 season.
Or what are you getting at?
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When we had Kelly and he was playing right back (reasonably well) everyone said he was really a centre back. Yet he has never gotten any CB game time even since then, because he was always better suited to FB than CB.

Gomez is the same. The position he played as he came up through the ranks is not necessarily where he'll be best at the top level. Which, like Kelly, is more than likely going to be full back
 
Rosco said:
When we had Kelly and he was playing right back (reasonably well) everyone said he was really a centre back. Yet he has never gotten any CB game time even since then, because he was always better suited to FB than CB.

Gomez is the same. The position he played as he came up through the ranks is not necessarily where he'll be best at the top level. Which, like Kelly, is more than likely going to be full back
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I can't disagree with that but before we start calling Gomez a fullback maybe we should at least see him at CB.
Right now, for me, he's a CB who can do a job at fullback.
 
Modo said:
I can't disagree with that but before we start calling Gomez a fullback maybe we should at least see him at CB.
Right now, for me, he's a CB who can do a job at fullback.
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Yet he's never played CB at the top level
 
Modo said:
He's about 20 years old give him a little time.
Stewart is 23 and he just started playing in midfield.
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Its not about time. Right now all we know Gomez can do at the top level is play full back well.

But the consensus is still that he's a centre back - and for me thats without foundation.
 
To bring the thread back on topic, we need another LB - Pay over the odds and get it sorted. It's not like we have youth bursting to get through, Flanno and Smith are gone. If we bought Hector, we would be well placed, sadly I fear Klopp will only pay a certain fee, while Koln want an inflated price.
 
Rosco said:
Its not about time. Right now all we know Gomez can do at the top level is play full back well.

But the consensus is still that he's a centre back - and for me thats without foundation.
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RB long term maybe, LB short term cover, he will be found out eventually. He played well last season at LB admittedly.
 
He played 5 games for us at LB. Five.
He also played 10 games for Charlton at CB.
Source : transfermarkt
 
Modo said:
OK the Morono hate has officially gone over the top.
This is still the guy who managed to win the Europa league with Sevilla.
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He was awful that game as well though. I remember watching that game and hoping we weren't going to buy him.
 
Modo said:
Hahaha ok. Still is he gonna get us relegated
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Nah of course not, but that statement came from Garth Crooks who's full at shit at the best of times. My problem is that every team will know to attack down moreno's side as everyone knows he's a liability.
 
Buy Hector, Rodriquez, anyone please. I can't be dealing with Moreno all season.
 
Glen C said:
Nah of course not, but that statement came from Garth Crooks who's full at shit at the best of times. My problem is that every team will know to attack down moreno's side as everyone knows he's a liability.
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Obviously.
 
I don't mind Moreno as much as most on here, I really don't. Yeah he's made some awful clangers and some stupid fouls and he surely does have a tendency to stray out of position.

Yesterday, he wasn't all bad though and for me at least there's also a few obvious gains from a LB like Moreno, flaws included. He adds a lot going forward, much more than Clyne imo, most of the time he's quite decent when on the ball and he's got pace to burn.

I can for one understand why Klopp is not in a hurry to ship him as there is a potential top class LB hidden in there. I mean can he eradicate the most obvious flaws from his game he would become a rather splendid choice with a lot of the qualities you'd like in a modern game full back. .

It's early season still and I am hopeful that he will at least be given a run-in in this new look side of ours to prove himself. The Ragnar introduction will surely also help him as well, as he has looked very composed and calm (seems a great find by Klopp already).

Moreno might be too light-weight and never improve as much as we should expect of him, I just think the jury should hold its final verdict at least for the remainder of the first half of the season.
 
Moreno has two fatal flaws, that Clyne doesn't have

1 - He never goes in to a challenge with his right foot... EVER! That was evident again yesterday, so when you go in from the wrong side you are more likely than not going to infringe the player.
2 - He doesn't have the footballing brain to know when to go forward, and when not too. Case in point the first goal for Arsenal yesterday, he didn't pass on his man, Walcott was in yards of space. While Moreno yet again was in no mans land. You've just given away a penalty, you should be focusing on defending at that point for the next 5-10 minutes.
 
The Nomad said:
Moreno has two fatal flaws, that Clyne doesn't have

1 - He never goes in to a challenge with his right foot... EVER! That was evident again yesterday, so when you go in from the wrong side you are more likely than not going to infringe the player.
2 - He doesn't have the footballing brain to know when to go forward, and when not too. Case in point the first goal for Arsenal yesterday, he didn't pass on his man, Walcott was in yards of space. While Moreno yet again was in no mans land. You've just given away a penalty, you should be focusing on defending at that point for the next 5-10 minutes.
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One thing though.
Lallana lost the ball. Moreno was in attack mode and moved up.
 
Gomez isnt the answer either. He can probably fill in a play there once in a while but we need to buy a left back.

Gomez wont be match fit for quite a while anyhoo.
 
Modo said:
One thing though.
Lallana lost the ball. Moreno was in attack mode and moved up.
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So who was at fault? Players get tackled all the time, so some sort of defensive shape has surely got to be maintained.

Genuine question as it's footballing knowledge beyond my callow comprehension.
 
Modo said:
One thing though.
Lallana lost the ball. Moreno was in attack mode and moved up.
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One of the rules of LB - Do not push on, unless you know the player is covered either by the CB, or by the CM dropping into the gap. Moreno just left one of the fastest players in the premier league, it was suicidal defending.

Yes Lallana lost the ball, but Moreno was way out of position, and no one to cover.

Who was at fault? One Alberto Moreno 100%
 
The Nomad said:
One of the rules of LB - Do not push on, unless you know the player is covered either by the CB, or by the CM dropping into the gap. Moreno just left one of the fastest players in the premier league, it was suicidal defending.

Yes Lallana lost the ball, but Moreno was way out of position, and no one to cover.

Who was at fault? One Alberto Moreno 100%
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Moreno was mostly at fault, of course. All I'm saying is that he wasn't alone.
 
Depends what Moreno's instructions are really.

This obviously assumes he's capable of listening to and understanding instructions.
 
So our manager is a good manager. What does he see in him that we don't? is it the high tempo pressing? The speed? I just want to guess because kloppo doesn't even seem to have a * rumor* out there that Moreno is going to be sold. I think he's here to stay.
 
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