So Wigan are relegated.....
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Exactly this.
Bredon Rodgers was their tonight apparently checking both McCarthy and Mcmanananananananananananaman out..
fuck that off.
Sign Mccarthy pronto.
Will become a beast.
Martinez is highly overrated.
Will become a beast.
Martinez is highly overrated.
I'm confused.
Are you now saying there are varying levels of manager? I thought they were all one and the same.
Doesn't anyone else find it amusing that a Championship team is playing in Europe next season?
you can't have johnson and sturridge. the cunt feedback loop would be a nightmare.
Klopp got relegated with Mainz, Wenger suffered relegation at Nancy, as did Benitez at Extremadura. Relegation alone not necessarily a fair/sufficient gauge.
I don't think Martinez is a great manager, or even a good one. He gets his side to perform for 5 matches a season every single year. I was amazed he was even considered for the Liverpool job.
The FA Cup is a great achievement for a club the size of Wigan, but if I were a Chairmen of a Premier League club, I wouldn't be on the phone to Martinez because of it.
The FA Cup is a great achievement for a club the size of Wigan, but if I were a Chairmen of a Premier League club, I wouldn't be on the phone to Martinez because of it.
Just took a look at Martinez's transfer record in his 4 seasons at Wigan, and boy, Whelan has really supported him with poop. Over that period, they've made a 12.5 million profit in transfer fees. In other words, he'll be in familiar territory if he goes to Everton.
On the other hand, Stoke has spent on average about 15m more than they've raised through sales each of the last 4 seasons, play exceptionally crap football, and except for one season in these last four, are barely any more comfortable than Wigan, beating the Latics by 2, 4 and now 6 points in the table.
So it's all now set up for this grand scheme: Pulis gets sacked at Stoke and goes to Everton, and Martinez goes to Stoke to get a chance at spending some money and transforming them from the dross that they are.
Everyone wins - Martinez gets to taste some of the financial support he has not had, Stoke fans rediscover their love for football, Pulis goes to a club with players suiting his style, Everton doesn't need to pay compensation to get their man, and we have a good time laughing at Everton when Pulis leads them to relegation-fighting mediocrity with his ancient football.
On the other hand, Stoke has spent on average about 15m more than they've raised through sales each of the last 4 seasons, play exceptionally crap football, and except for one season in these last four, are barely any more comfortable than Wigan, beating the Latics by 2, 4 and now 6 points in the table.
So it's all now set up for this grand scheme: Pulis gets sacked at Stoke and goes to Everton, and Martinez goes to Stoke to get a chance at spending some money and transforming them from the dross that they are.
Everyone wins - Martinez gets to taste some of the financial support he has not had, Stoke fans rediscover their love for football, Pulis goes to a club with players suiting his style, Everton doesn't need to pay compensation to get their man, and we have a good time laughing at Everton when Pulis leads them to relegation-fighting mediocrity with his ancient football.
Don't think they really only perform for the last part of the season. The points gained before and after the turn of the year (i.e. 1st half and 2nd half of the season) is more or less the same for Wigan. And as studsup mentioned, he hasn't had the luxury to spend or more important, reinforce - unlike what Newcastle and Sunderland did this Jan, for example. Injuries to the likes of Figueroa, Beausejour, Stam and Alcaraz too.
Losing so many players at 1 go (Rodallega, Moses, Diame, Thomas) certainly hurt them too.
Losing so many players at 1 go (Rodallega, Moses, Diame, Thomas) certainly hurt them too.
He did a wonderful job for Wigan over 4 years, with less money than probably all the other teams. I like him. Would like to see him managing at a different club, with a little more money.
So the manager doesn't really matter, it's all about the playing staff/clubs budget.
People's views on what is a good player and what is actually a good player don't always align.
Oh, and I missed out Antonio Conte - relegated at Arezzo.
Somehow they released Rodellega and Diame for free at the end of their contracts. Rodallega hasn't pulled up any trees since going to Fulham, but Diame has done well for West Ham. I didn't pay much attention to him when he was at Wigan - was he not too good then?
Unfortunately for Martinez, when he did get a bit more money than usual, he spent it (£6.5 million) on Mauro Boselli, who went on to play just a handful of games for them and spent a lot more time out on loan. According to Wiki, in March 2012 fans voted for Boselli as the club's worst ever foreigner.
I'm asking those that think there is massive differences between managers to explain how someone can win a trophy and get relegated in the same week.
It can't be that Rafa has been relegated once.
There is nothing about it on his homepage.
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