Ahhhhhh but that still reads 4 mil difference vs 4.5 mil in the figures?? Plus £950,000 for Poulsen too. Your source needs a calculator or some extra fingers.
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42390.msg1204186#msg1204186 date=1287846435]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42390.msg1204171#msg1204171 date=1287845461]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42390.msg1204160#msg1204160 date=1287844664]
the bottom line is a squad that contains
torres
gerrard
reina
carra
johnson
cole
kuyt
etc
should not be in 18th position. THE END.
[/quote]
Of course it shouldn't, but we have a squad of extremes.
N'gog
Lucas
Poulsen
Maxi
Babel
Aurelio
Konchesky
(Insua)
A side containing these players on a regular basis could quite easily find themselves relegated.
[/quote]
those players are full internationals and should canter to the middle of the table, the fact the team is flirting with relagation reflects badly on hodgson rather than rafa. we were beaten and outplayed by blackpool and northampton at home. so what is the excuse for that when said mentioned teams have a worse squad?
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They're not very good Spider.
It doesn't matter what defence you throw at them. They're pretty shit.
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42390.msg1204171#msg1204171 date=1287845461]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42390.msg1204160#msg1204160 date=1287844664]
the bottom line is a squad that contains
torres
gerrard
reina
carra
johnson
cole
kuyt
etc
should not be in 18th position. THE END.
[/quote]
Of course it shouldn't, but we have a squad of extremes.
N'gog
Lucas
Poulsen
Maxi
Babel
Aurelio
Konchesky
(Insua)
A side containing these players on a regular basis could quite easily find themselves relegated.
[/quote]
those players are full internationals and should canter to the middle of the table, the fact the team is flirting with relagation reflects badly on hodgson rather than rafa. we were beaten and outplayed by blackpool and northampton at home. so what is the excuse for that when said mentioned teams have a worse squad?
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They're not very good Spider.
It doesn't matter what defence you throw at them. They're pretty shit.
we can argue about the shiteness of the squad but two seasons ago the team game 2nd and really should have won the league. two season ago we were beating real and manu 4-0 and 4-1. the squad is bad but roy is 'supposed' to be good at getting the best out of limited resources, or so I was told buy the people attempting to sell the idea of roy 'safe hands' hodgson.
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=42390.msg1204184#msg1204184 date=1287846342]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42390.msg1204181#msg1204181 date=1287845994]
[quote author=dirtyho link=topic=42390.msg1204174#msg1204174 date=1287845549]
and yet easily one of the best defensive records in the league... I guess there must have been something to that zonal system after all...
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I think you'll notice that as time went on and Benitez got to change the squad, and the coaching staff, we got progressively worse defensively. To the point now where we are shit at the back.
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As I have previously said, When Brian Clough and Peter Taylor had there dissagreement, Cloughs fortunes took a dip, I honestly believe we was a stronger unit before Rafa and (oh fuck old timers disease, who was the 'king of the hill' Rafa had for 2nd in command?) anyway after he had left we also took a nose dive, maybe Rafa needed someone strong to say 'hold on a mo' thats no good?'
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Pako Ayesteran (sp?)
I agree with you on that. I don't think any manager succeeds without a good number 2. The trouble is what happened when someone disagreed with Rafa ? They got the boot.
Rafa was his own worst enemy. If he was just focusing on training, tactics and gameday decisions he'd be great.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42390.msg1204181#msg1204181 date=1287845994]
[quote author=dirtyho link=topic=42390.msg1204174#msg1204174 date=1287845549]
and yet easily one of the best defensive records in the league... I guess there must have been something to that zonal system after all...
[/quote]
I think you'll notice that as time went on and Benitez got to change the squad, and the coaching staff, we got progressively worse defensively. To the point now where we are shit at the back.
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As I have previously said, When Brian Clough and Peter Taylor had there dissagreement, Cloughs fortunes took a dip, I honestly believe we was a stronger unit before Rafa and (oh fuck old timers disease, who was the 'king of the hill' Rafa had for 2nd in command?) anyway after he had left we also took a nose dive, maybe Rafa needed someone strong to say 'hold on a mo' thats no good?'
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Pako Ayesteran (sp?)
I agree with you on that. I don't think any manager succeeds without a good number 2. The trouble is what happened when someone disagreed with Rafa ? They got the boot.
Rafa was his own worst enemy. If he was just focusing on training, tactics and gameday decisions he'd be great.
Oh really? So much so that the season before last (which for the record I see as a blip and linked to the nightmarish ownership situation) we came second and lost two games all season. Well i'm sure hodgson can improve on that shit defence. Oh I just looked at the table - maybe not....
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42390.msg1204187#msg1204187 date=1287846513]
[quote author=Loch Ness Monster link=topic=42390.msg1204178#msg1204178 date=1287845733]
Our squad is disgraceful considering the amount of cash we have spent. Unfortunately we also have a clueless manager and have lacked any sort of team spirit. We deserve to be where we are and will remain there until the manager is replaced or the players start to work together, or hopefully both.
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benitez was given a net investment of £37m to leave these players, plus:
poulsen £4.5m
meireles £11.5m
konchesky £5m
that's £58m invested in the squad since 2004. no wonder it's not CL quality.
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Arsenal have a minus investment for the past decade and have never missed CL qualification.
[quote author=Loch Ness Monster link=topic=42390.msg1204178#msg1204178 date=1287845733]
Our squad is disgraceful considering the amount of cash we have spent. Unfortunately we also have a clueless manager and have lacked any sort of team spirit. We deserve to be where we are and will remain there until the manager is replaced or the players start to work together, or hopefully both.
[/quote]
benitez was given a net investment of £37m to leave these players, plus:
poulsen £4.5m
meireles £11.5m
konchesky £5m
that's £58m invested in the squad since 2004. no wonder it's not CL quality.
[/quote]
Arsenal have a minus investment for the past decade and have never missed CL qualification.
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42390.msg1204189#msg1204189 date=1287846633]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42390.msg1204186#msg1204186 date=1287846435]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42390.msg1204171#msg1204171 date=1287845461]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42390.msg1204160#msg1204160 date=1287844664]
the bottom line is a squad that contains
torres
gerrard
reina
carra
johnson
cole
kuyt
etc
should not be in 18th position. THE END.
[/quote]
Of course it shouldn't, but we have a squad of extremes.
N'gog
Lucas
Poulsen
Maxi
Babel
Aurelio
Konchesky
(Insua)
A side containing these players on a regular basis could quite easily find themselves relegated.
[/quote]
those players are full internationals and should canter to the middle of the table, the fact the team is flirting with relagation reflects badly on hodgson rather than rafa. we were beaten and outplayed by blackpool and northampton at home. so what is the excuse for that when said mentioned teams have a worse squad?
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They're not very good Spider.
It doesn't matter what defence you throw at them. They're pretty shit.
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they are not bad to the point of being joint bottom of the league.
I am 100% certain that a half decent manager could at minimum push the exact same players to midtable. it's a 'poor' squad but hodgson is a 'shit' manager.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42390.msg1204186#msg1204186 date=1287846435]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42390.msg1204171#msg1204171 date=1287845461]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42390.msg1204160#msg1204160 date=1287844664]
the bottom line is a squad that contains
torres
gerrard
reina
carra
johnson
cole
kuyt
etc
should not be in 18th position. THE END.
[/quote]
Of course it shouldn't, but we have a squad of extremes.
N'gog
Lucas
Poulsen
Maxi
Babel
Aurelio
Konchesky
(Insua)
A side containing these players on a regular basis could quite easily find themselves relegated.
[/quote]
those players are full internationals and should canter to the middle of the table, the fact the team is flirting with relagation reflects badly on hodgson rather than rafa. we were beaten and outplayed by blackpool and northampton at home. so what is the excuse for that when said mentioned teams have a worse squad?
[/quote]
They're not very good Spider.
It doesn't matter what defence you throw at them. They're pretty shit.
[/quote]
they are not bad to the point of being joint bottom of the league.
I am 100% certain that a half decent manager could at minimum push the exact same players to midtable. it's a 'poor' squad but hodgson is a 'shit' manager.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42390.msg1204190#msg1204190 date=1287846686]
we can argue about the shiteness of the squad but two seasons ago the team game 2nd and really should have won the league. two season ago we were beating real and manu 4-0 and 4-1. the squad is bad but roy is 'supposed' to be good at getting the best out of limited resources, or so I was told buy the people attempting to sell the idea of roy 'safe hands' hodgson.
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I honestly can't fathom how anyone thought Roy HodgePodge was 'safe hands', he has won SEVEN away games in the Prem in FOUR Years, whats 'safe' about that?
Thank God they fucked up on him, and not the G&H Court case, otherwise we would be in DEEP SHIT!
At Least we can fire HodgePodge.
we can argue about the shiteness of the squad but two seasons ago the team game 2nd and really should have won the league. two season ago we were beating real and manu 4-0 and 4-1. the squad is bad but roy is 'supposed' to be good at getting the best out of limited resources, or so I was told buy the people attempting to sell the idea of roy 'safe hands' hodgson.
[/quote]
I honestly can't fathom how anyone thought Roy HodgePodge was 'safe hands', he has won SEVEN away games in the Prem in FOUR Years, whats 'safe' about that?
Thank God they fucked up on him, and not the G&H Court case, otherwise we would be in DEEP SHIT!
At Least we can fire HodgePodge.
[quote author=dirtyho link=topic=42390.msg1204192#msg1204192 date=1287846764]
Oh really? So much so that the season before last (which for the record I see as a blip and linked to the nightmarish ownership situation) we came second and lost two games all season. Well i'm sure hodgson can improve on that shit defence. Oh I just looked at the table - maybe not....
[/quote]
Apples and oranges.
Go and look at how many goals we conceded in the last two seasons, is it better or worse than the two before that ?
Why is that ? - I'm saying it's because of bringing in a shite coach in that useless Argie fucker, and signing bad defenders like Johnson, Degen, Aurelio et al.
Oh really? So much so that the season before last (which for the record I see as a blip and linked to the nightmarish ownership situation) we came second and lost two games all season. Well i'm sure hodgson can improve on that shit defence. Oh I just looked at the table - maybe not....
[/quote]
Apples and oranges.
Go and look at how many goals we conceded in the last two seasons, is it better or worse than the two before that ?
Why is that ? - I'm saying it's because of bringing in a shite coach in that useless Argie fucker, and signing bad defenders like Johnson, Degen, Aurelio et al.
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Squiggles
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That side was built on a foundation of Xabi and Mascherano. If a side loses players of that calibre from the most important position on the pitch then they become a different side over night (or in our case 2 seasons). There's no point referring to 'that' squad any more. It's over - because everything which made it work has been dismantled.
Of course we should be doing significantly better. I'm only arguing that the squad left behind by Benitez wasn't up to scratch, partly because of his own doing and partly because of the owners. Hodgson inherited a squad low on confidence who were visibly on the decline. Let's not pretend he was walking into an easy position here. The seeds were already in place for us to have a terrible season - although it's only fair to say that Hodgson has sown a few more himself.
Of course we should be doing significantly better. I'm only arguing that the squad left behind by Benitez wasn't up to scratch, partly because of his own doing and partly because of the owners. Hodgson inherited a squad low on confidence who were visibly on the decline. Let's not pretend he was walking into an easy position here. The seeds were already in place for us to have a terrible season - although it's only fair to say that Hodgson has sown a few more himself.
rafa's spending could have been better no question but the main reason the squad deteriorated year on year was he wasn't able to keep players, if he wanted to improve the quality of a position he had to sell someone to make that purchase.
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42390.msg1204197#msg1204197 date=1287846940]
That side was built on a foundation of Xabi and Mascherano. You lose players of that calibre from the most important position on the pitch and you become a different side over night (or in our case 2 seasons). There's no point referring to 'that' squad any more. It's over, because everything which made it work has been dismantled.
Of course we should be doing significantly better. I'm only arguing that the squad left behind by Benitez wasn't up to scratch, partly because of his own doing and partly because of the owners. Hodgson inherited a squad low on confidence who were visibly on the decline. Let's not pretend he was walking into an easy position here.
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I wouldn't say mash, I would say alonso. we lost alonso, still had mash but came 7th. alonso was the big one and it was compounded by buying someone for 20m and then not using him. hindsight is 20/20 but if we'd dropped gerrard in midfield and bought the striker with the alonso money I suspect we would have cantered to 4th place.
That side was built on a foundation of Xabi and Mascherano. You lose players of that calibre from the most important position on the pitch and you become a different side over night (or in our case 2 seasons). There's no point referring to 'that' squad any more. It's over, because everything which made it work has been dismantled.
Of course we should be doing significantly better. I'm only arguing that the squad left behind by Benitez wasn't up to scratch, partly because of his own doing and partly because of the owners. Hodgson inherited a squad low on confidence who were visibly on the decline. Let's not pretend he was walking into an easy position here.
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I wouldn't say mash, I would say alonso. we lost alonso, still had mash but came 7th. alonso was the big one and it was compounded by buying someone for 20m and then not using him. hindsight is 20/20 but if we'd dropped gerrard in midfield and bought the striker with the alonso money I suspect we would have cantered to 4th place.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42390.msg1204198#msg1204198 date=1287846967]
rafa's spending could have been better no question but the main reason the squad deteriorated year on year was he wasn't able to keep players, if he wanted to improve the quality of a position he had to sell someone to make that purchase.
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Well he should have been less of a cunt to them then.
rafa's spending could have been better no question but the main reason the squad deteriorated year on year was he wasn't able to keep players, if he wanted to improve the quality of a position he had to sell someone to make that purchase.
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Well he should have been less of a cunt to them then.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42390.msg1204200#msg1204200 date=1287847156]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42390.msg1204198#msg1204198 date=1287846967]
rafa's spending could have been better no question but the main reason the squad deteriorated year on year was he wasn't able to keep players, if he wanted to improve the quality of a position he had to sell someone to make that purchase.
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Well he should have been less of a cunt to them then.
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no arguement there.
but in rafa's defense what was he supposed to do about crouch?
gerrard and torres were the most prolific duo in a decade.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42390.msg1204198#msg1204198 date=1287846967]
rafa's spending could have been better no question but the main reason the squad deteriorated year on year was he wasn't able to keep players, if he wanted to improve the quality of a position he had to sell someone to make that purchase.
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Well he should have been less of a cunt to them then.
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no arguement there.
but in rafa's defense what was he supposed to do about crouch?
gerrard and torres were the most prolific duo in a decade.
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42390.msg1204199#msg1204199 date=1287847154]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42390.msg1204197#msg1204197 date=1287846940]
That side was built on a foundation of Xabi and Mascherano. You lose players of that calibre from the most important position on the pitch and you become a different side over night (or in our case 2 seasons). There's no point referring to 'that' squad any more. It's over, because everything which made it work has been dismantled.
Of course we should be doing significantly better. I'm only arguing that the squad left behind by Benitez wasn't up to scratch, partly because of his own doing and partly because of the owners. Hodgson inherited a squad low on confidence who were visibly on the decline. Let's not pretend he was walking into an easy position here.
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I wouldn't say mash, I would say alonso. we lost alonso, still had mash but came 7th. alonso was the big one and it was compounded by buying someone for 20m and then not using him. hindsight is 20/20 but if we'd dropped gerrard in midfield and bought the striker with the alonso money I suspect we would have cantered to 4th place.
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Masherano needs an Alonso player next to him. You can't separate them in terms of effectiveness like that. Football is about partnerships, and when they were at their best, they were the best duo in world football.
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42390.msg1204197#msg1204197 date=1287846940]
That side was built on a foundation of Xabi and Mascherano. You lose players of that calibre from the most important position on the pitch and you become a different side over night (or in our case 2 seasons). There's no point referring to 'that' squad any more. It's over, because everything which made it work has been dismantled.
Of course we should be doing significantly better. I'm only arguing that the squad left behind by Benitez wasn't up to scratch, partly because of his own doing and partly because of the owners. Hodgson inherited a squad low on confidence who were visibly on the decline. Let's not pretend he was walking into an easy position here.
[/quote]
I wouldn't say mash, I would say alonso. we lost alonso, still had mash but came 7th. alonso was the big one and it was compounded by buying someone for 20m and then not using him. hindsight is 20/20 but if we'd dropped gerrard in midfield and bought the striker with the alonso money I suspect we would have cantered to 4th place.
[/quote]
Masherano needs an Alonso player next to him. You can't separate them in terms of effectiveness like that. Football is about partnerships, and when they were at their best, they were the best duo in world football.
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Squiggles
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[quote author=dirtyho link=topic=42390.msg1204201#msg1204201 date=1287847276]
Exactly, no other manager near the to if the table has to "sell to buy". They just sell the ones they want rid of.
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Arsenal have spent way, way less than us, and look at them.
Exactly, no other manager near the to if the table has to "sell to buy". They just sell the ones they want rid of.
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Arsenal have spent way, way less than us, and look at them.
alonso -
people can say what they want but as far as I'm concerned xabi had a dip in form that lasted longer than a season. if people are making out xabi didn't have a dip in form how do they explain his amazing final season? I guess that wasn't an improvement in form?
the whole alonso saga was a fuck up. in hidesight rafa really should tried to work out the problems with xabi because even an alosno struggling for form is better than the vast majority of midfielders in world football.
crouch -
wanted games
what's rafa supposed to do there?
bellemy -
didn't money from his sale go towards torres?
mash -
wanted out and besides it wasn't rafa that sold him
sami -
situation handled incredibly badly. sami should have been first choice even over carra.
no wonder sami wanted out, he is way too good for the bench. sami was the best defender at the club.
not bothered about crouch and mash wanted out but we really should have done more in the attempt to keep the rest.
people can say what they want but as far as I'm concerned xabi had a dip in form that lasted longer than a season. if people are making out xabi didn't have a dip in form how do they explain his amazing final season? I guess that wasn't an improvement in form?
the whole alonso saga was a fuck up. in hidesight rafa really should tried to work out the problems with xabi because even an alosno struggling for form is better than the vast majority of midfielders in world football.
crouch -
wanted games
what's rafa supposed to do there?
bellemy -
didn't money from his sale go towards torres?
mash -
wanted out and besides it wasn't rafa that sold him
sami -
situation handled incredibly badly. sami should have been first choice even over carra.
no wonder sami wanted out, he is way too good for the bench. sami was the best defender at the club.
not bothered about crouch and mash wanted out but we really should have done more in the attempt to keep the rest.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42390.msg1204196#msg1204196 date=1287846939]
[quote author=dirtyho link=topic=42390.msg1204192#msg1204192 date=1287846764]
Oh really? So much so that the season before last (which for the record I see as a blip and linked to the nightmarish ownership situation) we came second and lost two games all season. Well i'm sure hodgson can improve on that shit defence. Oh I just looked at the table - maybe not....
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Apples and oranges.
Go and look at how many goals we conceded in the last two seasons, is it better or worse than the two before that ?
Why is that ? - I'm saying it's because of bringing in a shite coach in that useless Argie fucker, and signing bad defenders like Johnson, Degen, Aurelio et al.
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liverpool goals conceded:
2002/03 - 41
2003/04 - 37
2004/05 - 41
2005/06 - 25
2006/07 - 27
2007/08 - 28
2008/09 - 27
2009/10 - 35
i mean - thanks for the insight. the trend's so fucking clear isn't it: almost deliberate vandalism of a parsimoious houllier defence!
[quote author=dirtyho link=topic=42390.msg1204192#msg1204192 date=1287846764]
Oh really? So much so that the season before last (which for the record I see as a blip and linked to the nightmarish ownership situation) we came second and lost two games all season. Well i'm sure hodgson can improve on that shit defence. Oh I just looked at the table - maybe not....
[/quote]
Apples and oranges.
Go and look at how many goals we conceded in the last two seasons, is it better or worse than the two before that ?
Why is that ? - I'm saying it's because of bringing in a shite coach in that useless Argie fucker, and signing bad defenders like Johnson, Degen, Aurelio et al.
[/quote]
liverpool goals conceded:
2002/03 - 41
2003/04 - 37
2004/05 - 41
2005/06 - 25
2006/07 - 27
2007/08 - 28
2008/09 - 27
2009/10 - 35
i mean - thanks for the insight. the trend's so fucking clear isn't it: almost deliberate vandalism of a parsimoious houllier defence!
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42390.msg1204209#msg1204209 date=1287848002]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42390.msg1204196#msg1204196 date=1287846939]
[quote author=dirtyho link=topic=42390.msg1204192#msg1204192 date=1287846764]
Oh really? So much so that the season before last (which for the record I see as a blip and linked to the nightmarish ownership situation) we came second and lost two games all season. Well i'm sure hodgson can improve on that shit defence. Oh I just looked at the table - maybe not....
[/quote]
Apples and oranges.
Go and look at how many goals we conceded in the last two seasons, is it better or worse than the two before that ?
Why is that ? - I'm saying it's because of bringing in a shite coach in that useless Argie fucker, and signing bad defenders like Johnson, Degen, Aurelio et al.
[/quote]
liverpool goals conceded:
2002/03 - 41
2003/04 - 37
2004/05 - 41
2005/06 - 25
2006/07 - 27
2007/08 - 28
2008/09 - 27
2009/10 - 35
i mean - thanks for the insight. the trend's so fucking clear isn't it: almost deliberate vandalism of a parsimoious houllier defence!
[/quote]
ha ha
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42390.msg1204196#msg1204196 date=1287846939]
[quote author=dirtyho link=topic=42390.msg1204192#msg1204192 date=1287846764]
Oh really? So much so that the season before last (which for the record I see as a blip and linked to the nightmarish ownership situation) we came second and lost two games all season. Well i'm sure hodgson can improve on that shit defence. Oh I just looked at the table - maybe not....
[/quote]
Apples and oranges.
Go and look at how many goals we conceded in the last two seasons, is it better or worse than the two before that ?
Why is that ? - I'm saying it's because of bringing in a shite coach in that useless Argie fucker, and signing bad defenders like Johnson, Degen, Aurelio et al.
[/quote]
liverpool goals conceded:
2002/03 - 41
2003/04 - 37
2004/05 - 41
2005/06 - 25
2006/07 - 27
2007/08 - 28
2008/09 - 27
2009/10 - 35
i mean - thanks for the insight. the trend's so fucking clear isn't it: almost deliberate vandalism of a parsimoious houllier defence!
[/quote]
ha ha
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42390.msg1204209#msg1204209 date=1287848002]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42390.msg1204196#msg1204196 date=1287846939]
[quote author=dirtyho link=topic=42390.msg1204192#msg1204192 date=1287846764]
Oh really? So much so that the season before last (which for the record I see as a blip and linked to the nightmarish ownership situation) we came second and lost two games all season. Well i'm sure hodgson can improve on that shit defence. Oh I just looked at the table - maybe not....
[/quote]
Apples and oranges.
Go and look at how many goals we conceded in the last two seasons, is it better or worse than the two before that ?
Why is that ? - I'm saying it's because of bringing in a shite coach in that useless Argie fucker, and signing bad defenders like Johnson, Degen, Aurelio et al.
[/quote]
liverpool goals conceded:
2002/03 - 41
2003/04 - 37
2004/05 - 41
2005/06 - 25
2006/07 - 27
2007/08 - 28
2008/09 - 27
2009/10 - 35
i mean - thanks for the insight. the trend's so fucking clear isn't it: almost deliberate vandalism of a parsimoious houllier defence!
[/quote]
Yeah, I think Peter's won that one.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42390.msg1204196#msg1204196 date=1287846939]
[quote author=dirtyho link=topic=42390.msg1204192#msg1204192 date=1287846764]
Oh really? So much so that the season before last (which for the record I see as a blip and linked to the nightmarish ownership situation) we came second and lost two games all season. Well i'm sure hodgson can improve on that shit defence. Oh I just looked at the table - maybe not....
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Apples and oranges.
Go and look at how many goals we conceded in the last two seasons, is it better or worse than the two before that ?
Why is that ? - I'm saying it's because of bringing in a shite coach in that useless Argie fucker, and signing bad defenders like Johnson, Degen, Aurelio et al.
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liverpool goals conceded:
2002/03 - 41
2003/04 - 37
2004/05 - 41
2005/06 - 25
2006/07 - 27
2007/08 - 28
2008/09 - 27
2009/10 - 35
i mean - thanks for the insight. the trend's so fucking clear isn't it: almost deliberate vandalism of a parsimoious houllier defence!
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Yeah, I think Peter's won that one.
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Oh really? So much so that the season before last (which for the record I see as a blip and linked to the nightmarish ownership situation) we came second and lost two games all season. Well i'm sure hodgson can improve on that shit defence. Oh I just looked at the table - maybe not....
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Apples and oranges.
Go and look at how many goals we conceded in the last two seasons, is it better or worse than the two before that ?
Why is that ? - I'm saying it's because of bringing in a shite coach in that useless Argie fucker, and signing bad defenders like Johnson, Degen, Aurelio et al.
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liverpool goals conceded:
2002/03 - 41
2003/04 - 37
2004/05 - 41
2005/06 - 25
2006/07 - 27
2007/08 - 28
2008/09 - 27
2009/10 - 35
i mean - thanks for the insight. the trend's so fucking clear isn't it: almost deliberate vandalism of a parsimoious houllier defence!
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Yeah, I think Peter's won that one.
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oh well, at least rosco's not embarking on a career where sound logic, impeccable research, and intelligent argumentation would be any fucking use at all.
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[quote author=dirtyho link=topic=42390.msg1204192#msg1204192 date=1287846764]
Oh really? So much so that the season before last (which for the record I see as a blip and linked to the nightmarish ownership situation) we came second and lost two games all season. Well i'm sure hodgson can improve on that shit defence. Oh I just looked at the table - maybe not....
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Apples and oranges.
Go and look at how many goals we conceded in the last two seasons, is it better or worse than the two before that ?
Why is that ? - I'm saying it's because of bringing in a shite coach in that useless Argie fucker, and signing bad defenders like Johnson, Degen, Aurelio et al.
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liverpool goals conceded:
2002/03 - 41
2003/04 - 37
2004/05 - 41
2005/06 - 25
2006/07 - 27
2007/08 - 28
2008/09 - 27
2009/10 - 35
i mean - thanks for the insight. the trend's so fucking clear isn't it: almost deliberate vandalism of a parsimoious houllier defence!
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Yeah, I think Peter's won that one.
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oh well, at least rosco's not embarking on a career where sound logic, impeccable research, and intelligent argumentation would be any fucking use at all.
Thanks for the research that proves my general recollection peter.
Whatever your criticisms of Benitez's team, having a "shit defence" should not be one of them unless you enjoy having those sort of numbers rubbed in your face. Under Benitez we had one of the best defences in the league - only someone with the memory of a goldfish would argue with that.
Whatever your criticisms of Benitez's team, having a "shit defence" should not be one of them unless you enjoy having those sort of numbers rubbed in your face. Under Benitez we had one of the best defences in the league - only someone with the memory of a goldfish would argue with that.
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And does any other club in the league operate the way they do?
Wengers philosophy appears to be singular and Arsenal fans have a moan once in a while.
What have they won recently?
having said that as a neutral I like watching them as much as the next man
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You said all the other big clubs don't have to sell to buy. Arsenal have operated on a negative net-spend for years and are always in the CL places, so they're the obvious contradiction to your point.
We've spent way more, and what have we won recently? I know I'd rather be in their position than ours, because they're a model of a well run club, who will go on to lift plenty of silverware in the future.
And does any other club in the league operate the way they do?
Wengers philosophy appears to be singular and Arsenal fans have a moan once in a while.
What have they won recently?
having said that as a neutral I like watching them as much as the next man
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You said all the other big clubs don't have to sell to buy. Arsenal have operated on a negative net-spend for years and are always in the CL places, so they're the obvious contradiction to your point.
We've spent way more, and what have we won recently? I know I'd rather be in their position than ours, because they're a model of a well run club, who will go on to lift plenty of silverware in the future.
No, that's not the case. Arsenals long-term investment in their youth structure mean that Wenger does not have to sell a player each time he wishes to buy a new one. This is irrespective of their net spend. Why do you think I put "sell to buy" in quote marks to describe the situation. I didn't mention net spend and I think you're addressing a different point.
I find hilarious that the media wanted rid of a manager who came 7th but are rallying behind a behind manager who is 18th in the league and are all but dismissing the reason the manager was brought in in the first place, i.e. 'steady the ship'
no matter how utterly fucking shit you think rafa's squad is, it takes some doing to plung them into the relagation zone.
people said gh's sqaud was poor when rafa first arrived, rafa didn't flirt with relagation.
people said roy's sqaud was poor when gh first arrived, gh didn't flirt with relagation.
roy is a doing a shit job because no matter how poor people try to make out the squad is poor, liverpool do not have the 2nd worst squad in the league and even if they did isn't poor supposed to get the best out of average squads, isn't that the reason he was hired?
no matter how utterly fucking shit you think rafa's squad is, it takes some doing to plung them into the relagation zone.
people said gh's sqaud was poor when rafa first arrived, rafa didn't flirt with relagation.
people said roy's sqaud was poor when gh first arrived, gh didn't flirt with relagation.
roy is a doing a shit job because no matter how poor people try to make out the squad is poor, liverpool do not have the 2nd worst squad in the league and even if they did isn't poor supposed to get the best out of average squads, isn't that the reason he was hired?
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