sack Rafa

[Hansern]

I can't see anyone in the Premiership to be honest.

It's Mourinho, Lippi, Capello or maybe Laurent Blanc.

Blanc is a very "new" manager, but he has done a fantastic job at Bordeaux. Amazing job infact.
Since he took over in 2007, 2nd place in his first season, won it last year with 11 straight wins at the end, won the cup and are top of the league now. And won their CL group with Bayern and Juventus. 5 wins and 1 draw.

 

[LarryHagman]

With hindsight, I don't think our 6 month performance last year to achieve 2nd is the real us. We flattered to deceive big time, it's obvious now. The real us is struggling for 4th every season. At best.
6 months out of 5 years has had us fooled.

 

[The Slugmonster]

[quote author=Richey link=topic=38437.msg1033779#msg1033779 date=1263479104]
[quote author=The Slugmonster link=topic=38437.msg1033775#msg1033775 date=1263478853]

Agree with all mark....but unfortunately i think rebels just being ignorant and wont listen to anyone because hes too damn proud!! Pity that!!
[/quote]

Proud? What's rebel got to be proud about?

I suppose 'most deluded, repetitive, boring and laughable poster on the entire Internet' is an achievement of sorts
[/quote]

just a general statement of someone being too proud to admit something!! but ill second you on the list of rebels achievements!!!

 

[rebel23]

[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38437.msg1033796#msg1033796 date=1263479921]
Hahaha, oh Rebel. Why anyone bothers with you is beyond me.

I think Benitez should do the honourable thing and walk away from our club. He won't, though. I know he loves the club and is a decent man, but he has a history of looking after his own self-interests - sometimes at the expense of the club. There is no reason why this situation will be any different.

The thought of Benitez pocketing millions of pounds right now makes me furious, but, as a few of us could see at the time, offering him such a secure contract was nothing more than reactionary, short-sighted bollocks from the owners.
[/quote]

what;s this history of looking after his own self interest? the man could be paid a lot more abroad, the fact that he hasn't walked away indicates he is a fighter and wants what is best for the club. to believe he is motivated by self interest is ridiculous, if so he would be off to Italy to earn double what he is now when you take into account the stronger euro and less tax

 

[The Slugmonster]

[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38437.msg1033794#msg1033794 date=1263479829]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=38437.msg1033786#msg1033786 date=1263479382]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38437.msg1033772#msg1033772 date=1263478751]
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=38437.msg1033768#msg1033768 date=1263478452]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38437.msg1033764#msg1033764 date=1263478185]
Get MON in, sell Torres and bring Heskey and Petrov, we'll be back to world class performances in no time


[/quote]

A manager does his best with the resources available to him so that's a ridiculous suggestion. MON has managed Villa with a fraction of the resources that Rafa has had.
[/quote]

you have to be kidding, he spent the best part of 50 million net in the last 18 months while Benitez has spent a few million and his team plays hoofball and is still average. I'm not kidding when I say if someone like MON was appointed he would want to bring the likes of Heskey and Petrov, that's what managers do
[/quote]

Rebel old lad, far be it from me to argue a case for MON, I hate the twat, but that is just plain daft.
O'niel has changed Villa from a mid table mediocrity team to a team that is challenging for a top four place, and has had to rebuild in doing so, and therefore not a bad return for £50m. To say Rafa has spent a few million in 18 months is masking things a little. What has Rafa spent in five years to get us to the stage we are now - two points behind Villa, dumped out of three cups at the first stage of asking, and not a hope in hell of qualifying for the CL?

[/quote]

You see vladders my dear friend, Benitez's success has been a boon for the club in that in those 5 consecutive seasons in the CL he has brought in hundreds of millions in prize money, kept our name up there, pushed our club on probably to the detriment of it long term and into the hands of Gillette and Hicks who if it wasn't for Benitez would still think Liverpool was just where the Beatles came from, also let me ask you vlad if you think the likes of Standard Chatered would be signing 20 million sponsorship agreements on the back of the exciting and lumbering hoofball regularly served up by O'Neill and if you think he would have done a better job over the last 5 years?

[/quote]

Oh and Rebel you can stop using consistently qualifying for the CL as an excuse for rafa because any manager that comes here would be expected to do the same thing.....and hence would bring in the prize money with qualification!

 

[rebel23]

[quote author=The Slugmonster link=topic=38437.msg1033803#msg1033803 date=1263480399]


Oh and Rebel you can stop using consistently qualifying for the CL as an excuse for rafa because any manager that comes here would be expected to do the same thing.....and hence would bring in the prize money with qualification!
[/quote]

yeah and if they dont we'll just keep sacking them and losing £15-20m each time and spending nothing on players, then we'll be relegated

it's dead easy this

 

[Squiggles]

This will no doubt get sniggered at, but I'd have no problem replacing Rafa with someone from the Premiership providing we at least try for Mourinho first. It would be surprising if the top managers are going to be interested in us at the moment, so we either have to go for an up'n'comer from the foreign leagues or opt for someone who knows the English game already. Given the league is our priority it's sensible to go for the later.

Hodgeson would be my pick from the Premiership as he's worked wonders for Fulham, is hugely experienced and respectful.

Abroad? I've heard decent things about Blanc, but I'm in position to judge.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38437.msg1033794#msg1033794 date=1263479829]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=38437.msg1033786#msg1033786 date=1263479382]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38437.msg1033772#msg1033772 date=1263478751]
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=38437.msg1033768#msg1033768 date=1263478452]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38437.msg1033764#msg1033764 date=1263478185]
Get MON in, sell Torres and bring Heskey and Petrov, we'll be back to world class performances in no time


[/quote]

A manager does his best with the resources available to him so that's a ridiculous suggestion. MON has managed Villa with a fraction of the resources that Rafa has had.
[/quote]

you have to be kidding, he spent the best part of 50 million net in the last 18 months while Benitez has spent a few million and his team plays hoofball and is still average. I'm not kidding when I say if someone like MON was appointed he would want to bring the likes of Heskey and Petrov, that's what managers do
[/quote]

Rebel old lad, far be it from me to argue a case for MON, I hate the twat, but that is just plain daft.
O'niel has changed Villa from a mid table mediocrity team to a team that is challenging for a top four place, and has had to rebuild in doing so, and therefore not a bad return for £50m. To say Rafa has spent a few million in 18 months is masking things a little. What has Rafa spent in five years to get us to the stage we are now - two points behind Villa, dumped out of three cups at the first stage of asking, and not a hope in hell of qualifying for the CL?

[/quote]

You see vladders my dear friend, Benitez's success has been a boon for the club in that in those 5 consecutive seasons in the CL he has brought in hundreds of millions in prize money, kept our name up there, pushed our club on probably to the detriment of it long term and into the hands of Gillette and Hicks who if it wasn't for Benitez would still think Liverpool was just where the Beatles came from, also let me ask you vlad if you think the likes of Standard Chatered would be signing 20 million sponsorship agreements on the back of the exciting and lumbering hoofball regularly served up by O'Neill and if you think he would have done a better job over the last 5 years?

[/quote]
You have missed my point altogether again, do you ever really read what anyone writes or are you to self absorbed in your own deluded, and usually wrong, opinions?
I am not advocating O'Niel for one minute, but your point over him spending £50m to get them to this point whereas poor old Rafa spent a pittance (£35m) in the same period is just bollocks.
If you think Standard Charters or anyone else is at all worried about the aesthetics of how anyone plays before they sponsor anyone you are even more nutty than I thought.
Given the resources Rafa has had over the last five years, spongebob Squarepants could have kept us in a the top four. The squad he took over was not that shabby either, the core of which was what won us the CL, in the first place.
I think Benitez has done a decidedly average job over much of the last five years, and is now running out of friends and ideas fast.

regards

 

[Jürgen4PM]

[quote author=The Slugmonster link=topic=38437.msg1033803#msg1033803 date=1263480399]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38437.msg1033794#msg1033794 date=1263479829]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=38437.msg1033786#msg1033786 date=1263479382]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38437.msg1033772#msg1033772 date=1263478751]
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=38437.msg1033768#msg1033768 date=1263478452]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38437.msg1033764#msg1033764 date=1263478185]
Get MON in, sell Torres and bring Heskey and Petrov, we'll be back to world class performances in no time


[/quote]

A manager does his best with the resources available to him so that's a ridiculous suggestion. MON has managed Villa with a fraction of the resources that Rafa has had.
[/quote]

you have to be kidding, he spent the best part of 50 million net in the last 18 months while Benitez has spent a few million and his team plays hoofball and is still average. I'm not kidding when I say if someone like MON was appointed he would want to bring the likes of Heskey and Petrov, that's what managers do
[/quote]

Rebel old lad, far be it from me to argue a case for MON, I hate the twat, but that is just plain daft.
O'niel has changed Villa from a mid table mediocrity team to a team that is challenging for a top four place, and has had to rebuild in doing so, and therefore not a bad return for £50m. To say Rafa has spent a few million in 18 months is masking things a little. What has Rafa spent in five years to get us to the stage we are now - two points behind Villa, dumped out of three cups at the first stage of asking, and not a hope in hell of qualifying for the CL?

[/quote]

You see vladders my dear friend, Benitez's success has been a boon for the club in that in those 5 consecutive seasons in the CL he has brought in hundreds of millions in prize money, kept our name up there, pushed our club on probably to the detriment of it long term and into the hands of Gillette and Hicks who if it wasn't for Benitez would still think Liverpool was just where the Beatles came from, also let me ask you vlad if you think the likes of Standard Chatered would be signing 20 million sponsorship agreements on the back of the exciting and lumbering hoofball regularly served up by O'Neill and if you think he would have done a better job over the last 5 years?

[/quote]

Oh and Rebel you can stop using consistently qualifying for the CL as an excuse for rafa because any manager that comes here would be expected to do the same thing.....and hence would bring in the prize money with qualification!
[/quote]

You make it sound so easy.

 

[Niall K]

[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=38437.msg1033808#msg1033808 date=1263480652]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38437.msg1033794#msg1033794 date=1263479829]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=38437.msg1033786#msg1033786 date=1263479382]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38437.msg1033772#msg1033772 date=1263478751]
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=38437.msg1033768#msg1033768 date=1263478452]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38437.msg1033764#msg1033764 date=1263478185]
Get MON in, sell Torres and bring Heskey and Petrov, we'll be back to world class performances in no time


[/quote]

A manager does his best with the resources available to him so that's a ridiculous suggestion. MON has managed Villa with a fraction of the resources that Rafa has had.
[/quote]

you have to be kidding, he spent the best part of 50 million net in the last 18 months while Benitez has spent a few million and his team plays hoofball and is still average. I'm not kidding when I say if someone like MON was appointed he would want to bring the likes of Heskey and Petrov, that's what managers do
[/quote]

Rebel old lad, far be it from me to argue a case for MON, I hate the twat, but that is just plain daft.
O'niel has changed Villa from a mid table mediocrity team to a team that is challenging for a top four place, and has had to rebuild in doing so, and therefore not a bad return for £50m. To say Rafa has spent a few million in 18 months is masking things a little. What has Rafa spent in five years to get us to the stage we are now - two points behind Villa, dumped out of three cups at the first stage of asking, and not a hope in hell of qualifying for the CL?

[/quote]

You see vladders my dear friend, Benitez's success has been a boon for the club in that in those 5 consecutive seasons in the CL he has brought in hundreds of millions in prize money, kept our name up there, pushed our club on probably to the detriment of it long term and into the hands of Gillette and Hicks who if it wasn't for Benitez would still think Liverpool was just where the Beatles came from, also let me ask you vlad if you think the likes of Standard Chatered would be signing 20 million sponsorship agreements on the back of the exciting and lumbering hoofball regularly served up by O'Neill and if you think he would have done a better job over the last 5 years?

[/quote]
You have missed my point altogether again, do you ever really read what anyone writes or are you to self absorbed in your own deluded, and usually wrong, opinions?
I am not advocating O'Niel for one minute, but your point over him spending £50m to get them to this point whereas poor old Rafa spent a pittance (£35m) in the same period is just bollocks.
If you think Standard Charters or anyone else is at all worried about the aesthetics of how anyone plays before they sponsor anyone you are even more nutty than I thought.
Given the resources Rafa has had over the last five years, spongebob Squarepants could have kept us in a the top four. The squad he took over was not that shabby either, the core of which was what won us the CL, in the first place.
I think Benitez has done a decidedly average job over much of the last five years, and is now running out of friends and ideas fast.

regards



[/quote]

He'll always have Rebel though which must be a great source of comfort to him

 

[Mistadobalina]

Fight your corner rebel. I'm glad somebody hasn't given up on him yet. I hate to slag rafa off because I used to love him. But it is time to go.I really think we are witnessing our fall from the top tier. But life goes on. Some of my friends went through the same painful thing with everton 20 years ago.

 

[Niall K]

[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38437.msg1033809#msg1033809 date=1263480680]
[quote author=The Slugmonster link=topic=38437.msg1033803#msg1033803 date=1263480399]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38437.msg1033794#msg1033794 date=1263479829]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=38437.msg1033786#msg1033786 date=1263479382]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38437.msg1033772#msg1033772 date=1263478751]
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=38437.msg1033768#msg1033768 date=1263478452]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38437.msg1033764#msg1033764 date=1263478185]
Get MON in, sell Torres and bring Heskey and Petrov, we'll be back to world class performances in no time


[/quote]

A manager does his best with the resources available to him so that's a ridiculous suggestion. MON has managed Villa with a fraction of the resources that Rafa has had.
[/quote]

you have to be kidding, he spent the best part of 50 million net in the last 18 months while Benitez has spent a few million and his team plays hoofball and is still average. I'm not kidding when I say if someone like MON was appointed he would want to bring the likes of Heskey and Petrov, that's what managers do
[/quote]

Rebel old lad, far be it from me to argue a case for MON, I hate the twat, but that is just plain daft.
O'niel has changed Villa from a mid table mediocrity team to a team that is challenging for a top four place, and has had to rebuild in doing so, and therefore not a bad return for £50m. To say Rafa has spent a few million in 18 months is masking things a little. What has Rafa spent in five years to get us to the stage we are now - two points behind Villa, dumped out of three cups at the first stage of asking, and not a hope in hell of qualifying for the CL?

[/quote]

You see vladders my dear friend, Benitez's success has been a boon for the club in that in those 5 consecutive seasons in the CL he has brought in hundreds of millions in prize money, kept our name up there, pushed our club on probably to the detriment of it long term and into the hands of Gillette and Hicks who if it wasn't for Benitez would still think Liverpool was just where the Beatles came from, also let me ask you vlad if you think the likes of Standard Chatered would be signing 20 million sponsorship agreements on the back of the exciting and lumbering hoofball regularly served up by O'Neill and if you think he would have done a better job over the last 5 years?

[/quote]

Oh and Rebel you can stop using consistently qualifying for the CL as an excuse for rafa because any manager that comes here would be expected to do the same thing.....and hence would bring in the prize money with qualification!
[/quote]

You make it sound so easy.


[/quote]

Well with the money he has had to spend it shouldnt be that difficult

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38437.msg1033807#msg1033807 date=1263480593]
This will no doubt get sniggered at, but I'd have no problem replacing Rafa with someone from the Premiership providing we at least try for Mourinho first. It would be surprising if the top managers are going to be interested in us at the moment, so we either have to go for an up'n'comer from the foreign leagues or opt for someone who knows the English game already.

Hodgeson would be my pick from the Premiership as he's worked wonders for Fulham, is hugely experienced and respectful.

Abroad? I've heard decent things about Blanc, but I'm in position to judge.
[/quote]

Mourinho for me to, but if not, I like Hodgson for those reasons too, I am not sure he would be a big profile manager that some would expect

regards

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38437.msg1033809#msg1033809 date=1263480680]
[quote author=The Slugmonster link=topic=38437.msg1033803#msg1033803 date=1263480399]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38437.msg1033794#msg1033794 date=1263479829]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=38437.msg1033786#msg1033786 date=1263479382]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38437.msg1033772#msg1033772 date=1263478751]
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=38437.msg1033768#msg1033768 date=1263478452]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38437.msg1033764#msg1033764 date=1263478185]
Get MON in, sell Torres and bring Heskey and Petrov, we'll be back to world class performances in no time


[/quote]

A manager does his best with the resources available to him so that's a ridiculous suggestion. MON has managed Villa with a fraction of the resources that Rafa has had.
[/quote]

you have to be kidding, he spent the best part of 50 million net in the last 18 months while Benitez has spent a few million and his team plays hoofball and is still average. I'm not kidding when I say if someone like MON was appointed he would want to bring the likes of Heskey and Petrov, that's what managers do
[/quote]

Rebel old lad, far be it from me to argue a case for MON, I hate the twat, but that is just plain daft.
O'niel has changed Villa from a mid table mediocrity team to a team that is challenging for a top four place, and has had to rebuild in doing so, and therefore not a bad return for £50m. To say Rafa has spent a few million in 18 months is masking things a little. What has Rafa spent in five years to get us to the stage we are now - two points behind Villa, dumped out of three cups at the first stage of asking, and not a hope in hell of qualifying for the CL?

[/quote]

You see vladders my dear friend, Benitez's success has been a boon for the club in that in those 5 consecutive seasons in the CL he has brought in hundreds of millions in prize money, kept our name up there, pushed our club on probably to the detriment of it long term and into the hands of Gillette and Hicks who if it wasn't for Benitez would still think Liverpool was just where the Beatles came from, also let me ask you vlad if you think the likes of Standard Chatered would be signing 20 million sponsorship agreements on the back of the exciting and lumbering hoofball regularly served up by O'Neill and if you think he would have done a better job over the last 5 years?

[/quote]

Oh and Rebel you can stop using consistently qualifying for the CL as an excuse for rafa because any manager that comes here would be expected to do the same thing.....and hence would bring in the prize money with qualification!
[/quote]

You make it sound so easy.


[/quote]

It's not so easy now with City around, you are right.

regards

 

[Jürgen4PM]

Exactly Vlad.

If City were not in the equation, i'd be very confident of a top 4 finish again this season.

Unfortunately they've come in and spent what Rafa's total gross spend is in two seasons.

 

[LarryHagman]

I don't care what anyone says, suck on this beauty. MON is a much better Manager than Benitez. Anyone who says otherwise is bellend clinging to bellendness.

 

[LarryHagman]

Are there still people who think Benitez shouldn't be sacked?

 

[manwithnoname]

Oh dear me, what a thread.

Just post loads of Headwand pictures.

It made the mad cunt fuck off for a while last time

 

[rebel23]

O'Neill much better based on what?! Jesus christ...

We will only witness our decline if we get into the cycle of hiring and firing managers and run ourselves like Newcastle (which we're doing quite well)

Benitez if he is allowed to manage can still attract good players and will hopefully turn it around, the likes of MON want to spend £12m on Stewart Downing i'm sorry but that's not what we need

 

[Mistadobalina]

What's the point anymore?rafa stays rafa goes it won't make a jot of a difference. I hate the yanks but then I also hate the unseemly billionare play things that Chelsea and city have become... Is that all we have to aspire to? Praying for a billionare Saudi oil prince to buy us to the title? I think I've had it with football it's not that beautiful to me anymore.

Football was much more agreeable In the 80's.

 

[Squiggles]

[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38437.msg1033818#msg1033818 date=1263481017]
Exactly Vlad.

If City were not in the equation, i'd be very confident of a top 4 finish again this season.

Unfortunately they've come in and spent what Rafa's total gross spend is in two seasons.
[/quote]

We're not in this position because of bad fortune. Chelsea have got a brand new manager. City had Hughes under performing. United are a shadow of their great sides and Arsenal are just the same old Arsenal.

But none of that really matters because even Villa and Spurs are ahead of us at the moment.

 

[grjt]

[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=38437.msg1033808#msg1033808 date=1263480652]



If you think Standard Charters or anyone else is at all worried about the aesthetics of how anyone plays before they sponsor anyone you are even more nutty than I thought.
Given the resources Rafa has had over the last five years, spongebob Squarepants could have kept us in a the top four. The squad he took over was not that shabby either, the core of which was what won us the CL, in the first place.
I think Benitez has done a decidedly average job over much of the last five years, and is now running out of friends and ideas fast.

regards



[/quote]


I was in the process of writing the same thing - did the Standard Chartered board sit around considering our contribution to the beautiful game as Rebel suggests, or did they simply go "wow, thats a fuck load of far east asians who identify with THAT branding - bung some quids at them"? I think probably the latter.

And not to denegrate our previous seasons performance, but managing to be in the top 4 of a 4 horse race (and thus qualify for the CL) is much like Lucas' recent performances - the only compliment you can give is that there hasnt been a monumental fuck up.

 

[rebel23]

what chelsea have spent hiring and firing managers would sink a club like Liverpool because we don't have a billionaire Russian underwriting it.

So again I reiterate, it's not the way forward

 

[rebel23]

[quote author=grjt link=topic=38437.msg1033835#msg1033835 date=1263481499]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=38437.msg1033808#msg1033808 date=1263480652]



If you think Standard Charters or anyone else is at all worried about the aesthetics of how anyone plays before they sponsor anyone you are even more nutty than I thought.
Given the resources Rafa has had over the last five years, spongebob Squarepants could have kept us in a the top four. The squad he took over was not that shabby either, the core of which was what won us the CL, in the first place.
I think Benitez has done a decidedly average job over much of the last five years, and is now running out of friends and ideas fast.

regards



[/quote]


I was in the process of writing the same thing - did the Standard Chartered board sit around considering our contribution to the beautiful game as Rebel suggests, or did they simply go "wow, thats a fuck load of far east asians who identify with THAT branding - bung some quids at them"? I think probably the latter.

And not to denegrate our previous seasons performance, but managing to be in the top 4 of a 4 horse race (and thus qualify for the CL) is much like Lucas' recent performances - the only compliment you can give is that there hasnt been a monumental fuck up.
[/quote]

No, they have seen us up there and in the CL for a number of years if you think O'Neill would have done a better job and made us so competitive on such a budget making us attractive to commercial partners and players then I'm sorry but you're deluded, very few managers would.

 

[Squiggles]

[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38437.msg1033837#msg1033837 date=1263481554]
what chelsea have spent hiring and firing managers would sink a club like Liverpool because we don't have a billionaire Russian underwriting it.

So again I reiterate, it's not the way forward

[/quote]

Yes because replacing one manager immediately turns into Real Madrid or Chelsea.

 

[grjt]

[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38437.msg1033837#msg1033837 date=1263481554]
what chelsea have spent hiring and firing managers would sink a club like Liverpool because we don't have a billionaire Russian underwriting it.

So again I reiterate, it's not the way forward

[/quote]

Translation: another club, which did something else, shouldnt be a blueprint for something that we are not going to do anyway.

Thanks for your input genius.

 

[Richey]

[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38437.msg1033818#msg1033818 date=1263481017]
Exactly Vlad.

If City were not in the equation, i'd be very confident of a top 4 finish again this season.

Unfortunately they've come in and spent what Rafa's total gross spend is in two seasons.
[/quote]

If we were fighting it out for fourth win City I could vaguely see your point at a stretch. We're not though. City having money isn't responsible at all for us losing miserably to Sunderland, Fulham, Villa, Spurs and Portsmouth

Overall the fact that City have emerged as a contender so quickly only illustrates how little we have done to secure our place in the top 4 even when there were no serious contenders.

 

[rebel23]

[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38437.msg1033843#msg1033843 date=1263481716]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38437.msg1033837#msg1033837 date=1263481554]
what chelsea have spent hiring and firing managers would sink a club like Liverpool because we don't have a billionaire Russian underwriting it.

So again I reiterate, it's not the way forward

[/quote]

Yes because replacing one manager immediately turns into Real Madrid or Chelsea.
[/quote]

it's a slippery slope as I say the caliber of the manager will be highly likely less than we have now so when he comes under severe pressure and has fuck all resources and performs poorly, we will want him sacked and so it continues until eventual ruin

 

[Squiggles]

[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38437.msg1033851#msg1033851 date=1263481865]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38437.msg1033843#msg1033843 date=1263481716]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38437.msg1033837#msg1033837 date=1263481554]
what chelsea have spent hiring and firing managers would sink a club like Liverpool because we don't have a billionaire Russian underwriting it.

So again I reiterate, it's not the way forward

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Yes because replacing one manager immediately turns into Real Madrid or Chelsea.
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it's a slippery slope as I say the caliber of the manager will be highly likely less than we have now so when he comes under severe pressure and has fuck all resources and performs poorly, we will want him sacked and so it continues until eventual ruin


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It's amazing you can sense doom two years from now, yet miss it when it's right under your nose.

And on the contrary, Rebel, I'd say the owners have been extremely faithful to Rafa in recent times. I see no reason why this wouldn't continue.

 

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what chelsea have spent hiring and firing managers would sink a club like Liverpool because we don't have a billionaire Russian underwriting it.

So again I reiterate, it's not the way forward

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Neither is Rafa.

We're not advocating hiring and firing like Chelsea, whereas you are advocating sticking with Rafa.

The difference being, we can see what you're saying - but you're wrong. I genuinely don't think you even get what we're saying.

In fact, I think I might go to talk to my hamster instead. It's more intelligent and less full of shit