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So 5 seasons in the CL is failure, a European cup is a failure, this is delusion on a scale of Newcastle United and since we can't give our current european cup winning manager the resources to do the job, we should sack him and hire someone with a worse record and expect him to do the job. I'm sure with an attitude like that we'll be where Newcastle is before long
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I have been deliberately staying out of the footy forum this season, because it's too fucking grim, but this angers me too much to stay schtum.
"Delusion on a scale of Newcastle"?
Rebel, this isn't the first time I've had to remind you of this.
We are LIVERPOOL FUCKING FOOTBALL CLUB.
*THE* most successful team this country has *ever* produced.
FUCK OFF YOU FUCKING LOSER
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and we have two broke yanks at the helm with clubs like City and Chelsea spending like no tomorrow, we have no right to success and shouldnt be deluded like Newcastle and make short term decisions because it's what seems best
So fuck you back
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You really are a pitifully inept clown, aren't you?
We may not have a right to success as you put it, but we have a right to demand certain standards - standards which are patently not being met.
And had Rafa spent more wisely, or made more intelligent decisions - rather than sticking stubbornly to 'his way' when it was completely fucking obvious to all and sundry that have a functioning brain cell in their head (which seemingly is a clique you're not a part of) that 'his way' was a) fucking stupid, b) never gonna work, c) a shit idea born out of his need to prove he was right all along and d) bad for the club - then we probably wouldn't be in this fucking pickle.
In fact, we'd probably have *another* European Cup, because at the time it was fucking obvious that playing Kuyt as the lone striker wasn't working, and any sensible motherfucker would have stuck Crouch up top as the target man and moved Dirk either back or onto the bench.
We wouldn't have lost games where anyone could see that playing Crouch and Voronin as wing-forwards was not gonna work.
We may well have actually won the fucking thing last year if he hadn't made the sort of mystifying decisions that saw Lucas played as a bloody left mid.
And yet here you are saying that nothing he does is bad enough to warrant sacking him.
For fuck's sake, just shut up. Do yourself a favour. Do all of us a favour. In fact, do the fucking world a favour and just shut yourself off in a dark room with enough supplies to last you the next 30 years, because frankly your stupidity is so fucking immense I'm starting to worry it might go airborne.
It's one of the footballing clichés to say that no player is bigger than the team, but equally true is that neither is any manager, and the manager is being detrimental to the team as a whole, then they've gotta go.
I said it 2 seasons ago, and we had a strong finish and I thought he might just have figured it out, so I said I'd give him a chance. Then he pulled that Lucas at left mid shit and I said enough's enough - and he made me look like a cunt by going closer than we've ever been in ages. So this year we all expect big things and it's all gone to shit.
And that's just going to keep on happening. Rafa is not gonna be the one who takes us all the way, because he's limited. Limited by his own stubbornness and inflexibility, as much as he makes a big deal about [the team] being able to adapt to different things, it's something he himself is unable to do.
So it's not a short term decision. Not by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, it's the long term view - we could stick with Rafa and see how he does next year, when we've (maybe) got a bit more money and (maybe) got some better players - or we could appoint somebody who actually knows how to get the best out of what they've got, who can help draw all of that potential out of them, instead of buying 'talent' and turning it to shit.
I'm gonna lay my nuts on the chopping board here and now and say that Rafa will *never* win the league, and if he does then I'll run round Liverpool in crotchless panties and fishnet stockings and you can post it on youtube and everything.
He's not the one.
So, do you stick with something in the short term that doesn't work in the hope that it might come good? Or do you look to the future?
Or do you ponce about like "I know best, you're all deluded, everyone else will be shit, you'll see" and generally act all sanctimonious and (laughably) superior.
You mug
