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I think we should keep him providing we make the CL.

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Why?
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Because we'd have achieved our minimum objective at the start of the season.

I'm not really against replacing him now, but if cost ensures we cannot remove him and he turns this season around, I wouldn't mind him staying on for another year. The way I see it is it's Rafa with a possible summer transfer budget or a new manager without any money, and given this squad needs a lot of reinforcement, I would opt for the former.

If we fail to make the CL then he's got to go.
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When that happens, we would probably not qualified for Europa league either. Sack him now!!!
 
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38437.msg1037215#msg1037215 date=1263830898]
No it's not the same at all Anita!

You said:

"the denial that he's done anything wrong born from the desire to desperately believe he's this wonderful manager which he isn't".

The fact is every single poster on here knows (and has regularly stated) that Rafa has made plenty of mistakes.

Of course posters who still think that Rafa is the right man to manage us will defend "many" of his actions that are being debated, especially when they have some very valid points.

You in your infinite wisdom may think that Rafa getting the boot is the obvious solution to all of our clubs problems, but believe it or not, not everyone else is so sure.
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RPM, I can't *fathom* how people think he's the best man to carry on with the club in the state that it's in. Seriously, I can't. I can't ever remember things being so bad in my lifetime. Things are as bad as they've been for a long long time, and I don't understand how that isn't as unbearable to others as it is to me. The only way we have to turn things around is for Rafa to go.
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Just a little perspective Anita. I am sure your lifetime (as a fan) isn't very long compared with the history of LFC. Say it stretches way back to Kenny's time as a manager, I am sure there are plenty of crisis from then till now. I am sure Houllier's last year was pretty horrendous as well.
 
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38437.msg1037215#msg1037215 date=1263830898]
No it's not the same at all Anita!

You said:

"the denial that he's done anything wrong born from the desire to desperately believe he's this wonderful manager which he isn't".

The fact is every single poster on here knows (and has regularly stated) that Rafa has made plenty of mistakes.

Of course posters who still think that Rafa is the right man to manage us will defend "many" of his actions that are being debated, especially when they have some very valid points.

You in your infinite wisdom may think that Rafa getting the boot is the obvious solution to all of our clubs problems, but believe it or not, not everyone else is so sure.
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RPM, I can't *fathom* how people think he's the best man to carry on with the club in the state that it's in. Seriously, I can't. I can't ever remember things being so bad in my lifetime. Things are as bad as they've been for a long long time, and I don't understand how that isn't as unbearable to others as it is to me. The only way we have to turn things around is for Rafa to go.
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Just a little perspective Anita. I am sure your lifetime (as a fan) isn't very long compared with the history of LFC. Say it stretches way back to Kenny's time as a manager, I am sure there are plenty of crisis from then till now. I am sure Houllier's last year was pretty horrendous as well.
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It's getting worst than Houllier now boy. We're on free fall now.
 
Fully agree, I don't remember Houllier last season is as bad as now. At least the shorty traitor is still banging in goals.
 
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38437.msg1037215#msg1037215 date=1263830898]
No it's not the same at all Anita!

You said:

"the denial that he's done anything wrong born from the desire to desperately believe he's this wonderful manager which he isn't".

The fact is every single poster on here knows (and has regularly stated) that Rafa has made plenty of mistakes.

Of course posters who still think that Rafa is the right man to manage us will defend "many" of his actions that are being debated, especially when they have some very valid points.

You in your infinite wisdom may think that Rafa getting the boot is the obvious solution to all of our clubs problems, but believe it or not, not everyone else is so sure.
[/quote]

RPM, I can't *fathom* how people think he's the best man to carry on with the club in the state that it's in. Seriously, I can't. I can't ever remember things being so bad in my lifetime. Things are as bad as they've been for a long long time, and I don't understand how that isn't as unbearable to others as it is to me. The only way we have to turn things around is for Rafa to go.
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Well Souness was less than 20 years ago so aren't you the lucky one. Or is it the spoilt one?

Wonderfully dismissive of anyone who doesn't share the same opinion as you too.
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Wouldn't you say that this season might be worse to some than those under Souness because, relative to expectation as the beginning of a season, this one is up there as contending for most dissapointing of any since we last won it..?

I get your point that his team were often worse than this year's outfit (not by much at times though), but we never had a realistic shout of the title under him, so his 7th or 8th place finishes weren't as heartbreaking as this season look in danger of becoming.

Only twice have I truly believed that we had the team to win the league in the past 15 or so years... When Paul Ince arrived, and last summer. That season, and this one so far, are the worst since 1990, imo.
 
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38437.msg1037215#msg1037215 date=1263830898]
No it's not the same at all Anita!

You said:

"the denial that he's done anything wrong born from the desire to desperately believe he's this wonderful manager which he isn't".

The fact is every single poster on here knows (and has regularly stated) that Rafa has made plenty of mistakes.

Of course posters who still think that Rafa is the right man to manage us will defend "many" of his actions that are being debated, especially when they have some very valid points.

You in your infinite wisdom may think that Rafa getting the boot is the obvious solution to all of our clubs problems, but believe it or not, not everyone else is so sure.
[/quote]

RPM, I can't *fathom* how people think he's the best man to carry on with the club in the state that it's in. Seriously, I can't. I can't ever remember things being so bad in my lifetime. Things are as bad as they've been for a long long time, and I don't understand how that isn't as unbearable to others as it is to me. The only way we have to turn things around is for Rafa to go.
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Well Souness was less than 20 years ago so aren't you the lucky one. Or is it the spoilt one?

Wonderfully dismissive of anyone who doesn't share the same opinion as you too.
[/quote]

Wouldn't you say that this season might be worse to some than those under Souness because, relative to expectation as the beginning of a season, this one is up there as contending for most dissapointing of any since we last won it..?

I get your point that his team were often worse than this year's outfit (not by much at times though), but we never had a realistic shout of the title under him, so his 7th or 8th place finishes weren't as heartbreaking as this season look in danger of becoming.

Only twice have I truly believed that we had the team to win the league in the past 15 or so years... When Paul Ince arrived, and last summer. That season, and this one so far, are the worst since 1990, imo.
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Well that's disappointement then Whaddapie, which is entirely different from Ainta's point above about things being at the lowest ebb in someone's lifetime - which is fucking laughable hyperbole really.
 
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38437.msg1037215#msg1037215 date=1263830898]
No it's not the same at all Anita!

You said:

"the denial that he's done anything wrong born from the desire to desperately believe he's this wonderful manager which he isn't".

The fact is every single poster on here knows (and has regularly stated) that Rafa has made plenty of mistakes.

Of course posters who still think that Rafa is the right man to manage us will defend "many" of his actions that are being debated, especially when they have some very valid points.

You in your infinite wisdom may think that Rafa getting the boot is the obvious solution to all of our clubs problems, but believe it or not, not everyone else is so sure.
[/quote]

RPM, I can't *fathom* how people think he's the best man to carry on with the club in the state that it's in. Seriously, I can't. I can't ever remember things being so bad in my lifetime. Things are as bad as they've been for a long long time, and I don't understand how that isn't as unbearable to others as it is to me. The only way we have to turn things around is for Rafa to go.
[/quote]

Just a little perspective Anita. I am sure your lifetime (as a fan) isn't very long compared with the history of LFC. Say it stretches way back to Kenny's time as a manager, I am sure there are plenty of crisis from then till now. I am sure Houllier's last year was pretty horrendous as well.
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It's getting worst than Houllier now boy. We're on free fall now.
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I disagree. Similar perhaps. Worse is when we had no choice but hoof to Heskey every single time. Houllier still had most of his first team with him. Now we have 4 players of our first team injured.
 
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38437.msg1037215#msg1037215 date=1263830898]
No it's not the same at all Anita!

You said:

"the denial that he's done anything wrong born from the desire to desperately believe he's this wonderful manager which he isn't".

The fact is every single poster on here knows (and has regularly stated) that Rafa has made plenty of mistakes.

Of course posters who still think that Rafa is the right man to manage us will defend "many" of his actions that are being debated, especially when they have some very valid points.

You in your infinite wisdom may think that Rafa getting the boot is the obvious solution to all of our clubs problems, but believe it or not, not everyone else is so sure.
[/quote]

RPM, I can't *fathom* how people think he's the best man to carry on with the club in the state that it's in. Seriously, I can't. I can't ever remember things being so bad in my lifetime. Things are as bad as they've been for a long long time, and I don't understand how that isn't as unbearable to others as it is to me. The only way we have to turn things around is for Rafa to go.
[/quote]

Just a little perspective Anita. I am sure your lifetime (as a fan) isn't very long compared with the history of LFC. Say it stretches way back to Kenny's time as a manager, I am sure there are plenty of crisis from then till now. I am sure Houllier's last year was pretty horrendous as well.
[/quote]

It's getting worst than Houllier now boy. We're on free fall now.
[/quote]

I disagree. Similar perhaps. Worse is when we had no choice but hoof to Heskey every single time. Houllier still had most of his first team with him. Now we have 4 players of our first team injured.
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So who's to blame for that? Who's to blame for our lack of quality players in the squad? Who made the signings??
 
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38437.msg1037215#msg1037215 date=1263830898]
No it's not the same at all Anita!

You said:

"the denial that he's done anything wrong born from the desire to desperately believe he's this wonderful manager which he isn't".

The fact is every single poster on here knows (and has regularly stated) that Rafa has made plenty of mistakes.

Of course posters who still think that Rafa is the right man to manage us will defend "many" of his actions that are being debated, especially when they have some very valid points.

You in your infinite wisdom may think that Rafa getting the boot is the obvious solution to all of our clubs problems, but believe it or not, not everyone else is so sure.
[/quote]

RPM, I can't *fathom* how people think he's the best man to carry on with the club in the state that it's in. Seriously, I can't. I can't ever remember things being so bad in my lifetime. Things are as bad as they've been for a long long time, and I don't understand how that isn't as unbearable to others as it is to me. The only way we have to turn things around is for Rafa to go.
[/quote]

Just a little perspective Anita. I am sure your lifetime (as a fan) isn't very long compared with the history of LFC. Say it stretches way back to Kenny's time as a manager, I am sure there are plenty of crisis from then till now. I am sure Houllier's last year was pretty horrendous as well.
[/quote]

It's getting worst than Houllier now boy. We're on free fall now.
[/quote]

I disagree. Similar perhaps. Worse is whelame n we had no choice but hoof to Heskey every single time. Houllier still had most of his first team with him. Now we have 4 players of our first team injured.
[/quote]

So who's to blame for that? Who's to blame for our lack of quality players in the squad? Who made the signings??
[/quote]

Some will blame Rafa for the squad. Some will blame the owners. Some will blame both. Some will say it is blip and will eventually turn the corner. Which category you choose to fall into it is your choice. Does it matter who is to blame? I could not care less. We are having a poor run. That is fact. No more no less.

All I am saying here is that we have similar crisis before in asking Anita to have a little perspective. It is not the worst in LFC's history yet. And that my friend is my opinion.
 
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38437.msg1037215#msg1037215 date=1263830898]
No it's not the same at all Anita!

You said:

"the denial that he's done anything wrong born from the desire to desperately believe he's this wonderful manager which he isn't".

The fact is every single poster on here knows (and has regularly stated) that Rafa has made plenty of mistakes.

Of course posters who still think that Rafa is the right man to manage us will defend "many" of his actions that are being debated, especially when they have some very valid points.

You in your infinite wisdom may think that Rafa getting the boot is the obvious solution to all of our clubs problems, but believe it or not, not everyone else is so sure.
[/quote]

RPM, I can't *fathom* how people think he's the best man to carry on with the club in the state that it's in. Seriously, I can't. I can't ever remember things being so bad in my lifetime. Things are as bad as they've been for a long long time, and I don't understand how that isn't as unbearable to others as it is to me. The only way we have to turn things around is for Rafa to go.
[/quote]

Just a little perspective Anita. I am sure your lifetime (as a fan) isn't very long compared with the history of LFC. Say it stretches way back to Kenny's time as a manager, I am sure there are plenty of crisis from then till now. I am sure Houllier's last year was pretty horrendous as well.
[/quote]

It's getting worst than Houllier now boy. We're on free fall now.
[/quote]

I disagree. Similar perhaps. Worse is whelame n we had no choice but hoof to Heskey every single time. Houllier still had most of his first team with him. Now we have 4 players of our first team injured.
[/quote]

So who's to blame for that? Who's to blame for our lack of quality players in the squad? Who made the signings??
[/quote]

Some will blame Rafa for the squad. Some will blame the owners. Some will blame both. Some will say it is blip and will eventually turn the corner. Which category you choose to fall into it is your choice. Does it matter who is to blame? I could not care less. We are having a poor run. That is fact. No more no less.

All I am saying here is that we have similar crisis before in asking Anita to have a little perspective. It is not the worst in LFC's history yet. And that my friend is my opinion.
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Of course you dont care. Because you care much about Rafa and where Rafa will go after this. Turn the corner?? Hahahaha! Last time i heard of those words when Houllier lost it.
 
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38437.msg1037215#msg1037215 date=1263830898]
No it's not the same at all Anita!

You said:

"the denial that he's done anything wrong born from the desire to desperately believe he's this wonderful manager which he isn't".

The fact is every single poster on here knows (and has regularly stated) that Rafa has made plenty of mistakes.

Of course posters who still think that Rafa is the right man to manage us will defend "many" of his actions that are being debated, especially when they have some very valid points.

You in your infinite wisdom may think that Rafa getting the boot is the obvious solution to all of our clubs problems, but believe it or not, not everyone else is so sure.
[/quote]

RPM, I can't *fathom* how people think he's the best man to carry on with the club in the state that it's in. Seriously, I can't. I can't ever remember things being so bad in my lifetime. Things are as bad as they've been for a long long time, and I don't understand how that isn't as unbearable to others as it is to me. The only way we have to turn things around is for Rafa to go.
[/quote]

Just a little perspective Anita. I am sure your lifetime (as a fan) isn't very long compared with the history of LFC. Say it stretches way back to Kenny's time as a manager, I am sure there are plenty of crisis from then till now. I am sure Houllier's last year was pretty horrendous as well.
[/quote]

It's getting worst than Houllier now boy. We're on free fall now.
[/quote]

I disagree. Similar perhaps. Worse is whelame n we had no choice but hoof to Heskey every single time. Houllier still had most of his first team with him. Now we have 4 players of our first team injured.
[/quote]

So who's to blame for that? Who's to blame for our lack of quality players in the squad? Who made the signings??
[/quote]

Some will blame Rafa for the squad. Some will blame the owners. Some will blame both. Some will say it is blip and will eventually turn the corner. Which category you choose to fall into it is your choice. Does it matter who is to blame? I could not care less. We are having a poor run. That is fact. No more no less.

All I am saying here is that we have similar crisis before in asking Anita to have a little perspective. It is not the worst in LFC's history yet. And that my friend is my opinion.
[/quote]

Of course you dont care. Because you care much about Rafa and where Rafa will go after this. Turn the corner?? Hahahaha! Last time i heard of those words when Houllier lost it.
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Whether Rafa leaves or not is not up to us. It is between him and the owners. Where he will go if he does go I would not care less. All I am concern is my own sanity as a fan and the future of the club I love. I have absolutely no idea what is going on behind the scene and I am sure you and most of us here have zilch knowledge too. Ranting and raving does not help anyone here.
 
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No it's not the same at all Anita!

You said:

"the denial that he's done anything wrong born from the desire to desperately believe he's this wonderful manager which he isn't".

The fact is every single poster on here knows (and has regularly stated) that Rafa has made plenty of mistakes.

Of course posters who still think that Rafa is the right man to manage us will defend "many" of his actions that are being debated, especially when they have some very valid points.

You in your infinite wisdom may think that Rafa getting the boot is the obvious solution to all of our clubs problems, but believe it or not, not everyone else is so sure.
[/quote]

RPM, I can't *fathom* how people think he's the best man to carry on with the club in the state that it's in. Seriously, I can't. I can't ever remember things being so bad in my lifetime. Things are as bad as they've been for a long long time, and I don't understand how that isn't as unbearable to others as it is to me. The only way we have to turn things around is for Rafa to go.
[/quote]

Just a little perspective Anita. I am sure your lifetime (as a fan) isn't very long compared with the history of LFC. Say it stretches way back to Kenny's time as a manager, I am sure there are plenty of crisis from then till now. I am sure Houllier's last year was pretty horrendous as well.
[/quote]

It's getting worst than Houllier now boy. We're on free fall now.
[/quote]

I disagree. Similar perhaps. Worse is whelame n we had no choice but hoof to Heskey every single time. Houllier still had most of his first team with him. Now we have 4 players of our first team injured.
[/quote]

So who's to blame for that? Who's to blame for our lack of quality players in the squad? Who made the signings??
[/quote]

Some will blame Rafa for the squad. Some will blame the owners. Some will blame both. Some will say it is blip and will eventually turn the corner. Which category you choose to fall into it is your choice. Does it matter who is to blame? I could not care less. We are having a poor run. That is fact. No more no less.

All I am saying here is that we have similar crisis before in asking Anita to have a little perspective. It is not the worst in LFC's history yet. And that my friend is my opinion.
[/quote]

Of course you dont care. Because you care much about Rafa and where Rafa will go after this. Turn the corner?? Hahahaha! Last time i heard of those words when Houllier lost it.
[/quote]

Whether Rafa leaves or not is not up to us. It is between him and the owners. Where he will go if he does go I would not care less. All I am concern is my own sanity as a fan and the future of the club I love. I have absolutely no idea what is going on behind the scene and I am sure you and most of us here have zilch knowledge too. Ranting and raving does not help anyone here.
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Yawn.
 
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Look, I can copy and paste posts too! "Yawn"
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You haven't actually demonstrated that you can, though.
 
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Look, I can copy and paste posts too! "Yawn"
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You haven't actually demonstrated that you can, though.
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Haha, "Yawn" me too. It was a waste of time trying to engage him on a civil basis.
 
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=38437.msg1037735#msg1037735 date=1263881219]It was a waste of time trying to engage him
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Corrected.

Yawn.
 
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[quote author=Y1 link=topic=38437.msg1037735#msg1037735 date=1263881219]It was a waste of time trying to engage him
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Corrected.

Yawn.
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Note to self and write out 100 lines:

It was a waste of time trying to engage him
It was a waste of time trying to engage him .... x100
 
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[quote author=Y1 link=topic=38437.msg1037735#msg1037735 date=1263881219]It was a waste of time trying to engage him
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Corrected.

Yawn.
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Note to self and write out 100 lines:

It was a waste of time trying to engage him
It was a waste of time trying to engage him .... x100
[/quote]Youve written that either 101 or 200 times depending on the way you look at it. Certainly not 100 times. Rookie
 
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[quote author=Y1 link=topic=38437.msg1037735#msg1037735 date=1263881219]It was a waste of time trying to engage him
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Corrected.

Yawn.
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Note to self and write out 100 lines:

It was a waste of time trying to engage him
It was a waste of time trying to engage him .... x100
[/quote]Youve written that either 101 or 200 times depending on the way you look at it. Certainly not 100 times. Rookie
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yes sir, sorry sir, it must be only 100 times SIR

It was a waste of time trying to engage him .... x100
 
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No it's not the same at all Anita!

You said:

"the denial that he's done anything wrong born from the desire to desperately believe he's this wonderful manager which he isn't".

The fact is every single poster on here knows (and has regularly stated) that Rafa has made plenty of mistakes.

Of course posters who still think that Rafa is the right man to manage us will defend "many" of his actions that are being debated, especially when they have some very valid points.

You in your infinite wisdom may think that Rafa getting the boot is the obvious solution to all of our clubs problems, but believe it or not, not everyone else is so sure.
[/quote]

RPM, I can't *fathom* how people think he's the best man to carry on with the club in the state that it's in. Seriously, I can't. I can't ever remember things being so bad in my lifetime. Things are as bad as they've been for a long long time, and I don't understand how that isn't as unbearable to others as it is to me. The only way we have to turn things around is for Rafa to go.
[/quote]

Just a little perspective Anita. I am sure your lifetime (as a fan) isn't very long compared with the history of LFC. Say it stretches way back to Kenny's time as a manager, I am sure there are plenty of crisis from then till now. I am sure Houllier's last year was pretty horrendous as well.
[/quote]How about this for a little perpective Y1. Never in all my years as a fan have i felt so dispondant on our prospects, I suspect Portly would say the same and he goes back even further than me, to the early sixties.
The problem now is the consequences of failure are far more accute and catastrophic than even five or six years ago.
Regards
 
Well, I go back pretty much as far as Portly does and, if that IS his view, I don't agree with it. We're in a pickle, undoubtedly, but our debt is half that of the Mancs and - rightly IMO - nobody's getting so apocalyptic about them.
 
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Well, I go back pretty much as far as Portly does and, if that IS his view, I don't agree with it. We're in a pickle, undoubtedly, but our debt is half that of the Mancs and - rightly IMO - nobody's getting so apocalyptic about them.
[/quote]Yes they are.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=38437.msg1037863#msg1037863 date=1263900726]
Fair enough if I've missed it, but how many of them, who and why?
[/quote]Quite a bit. They're avoiding as much flak because they can still win a treble. But the vultures are hovering matey.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=38437.msg1037839#msg1037839 date=1263898905]
Well, I go back pretty much as far as Portly does and, if that IS his view, I don't agree with it. We're in a pickle, undoubtedly, but our debt is half that of the Mancs and - rightly IMO - nobody's getting so apocalyptic about them.
[/quote]

Finances in the past were never the issue they are now, gate money was the only thing that you needed to worry about.
The players just wanted paying, and to be at a relatively successful club, keeping the top players and attracting top players did not rely on scraping fourth spot, nor did failing to reach fourth place signal possible financial disaster, like wise winning the league was not a financial holy grail, there were two successful teams in the UK in the sixties the one that won the first division and the one that won the FA cup.
It was a much more even playing field then (excuse the pun), where big money men did not get involved , because there was not that much big money.
As oncey said if the Mancs were in our position ie looking like failing to qualify for the CL, rest assured things would be as bad, if not worse for them. They have the brains, wherewithal and the manager to avoid that and keep at the top of the pile.
It seems we might not
regards
 
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No it's not the same at all Anita!

You said:

"the denial that he's done anything wrong born from the desire to desperately believe he's this wonderful manager which he isn't".

The fact is every single poster on here knows (and has regularly stated) that Rafa has made plenty of mistakes.

Of course posters who still think that Rafa is the right man to manage us will defend "many" of his actions that are being debated, especially when they have some very valid points.

You in your infinite wisdom may think that Rafa getting the boot is the obvious solution to all of our clubs problems, but believe it or not, not everyone else is so sure.
[/quote]

RPM, I can't *fathom* how people think he's the best man to carry on with the club in the state that it's in. Seriously, I can't. I can't ever remember things being so bad in my lifetime. Things are as bad as they've been for a long long time, and I don't understand how that isn't as unbearable to others as it is to me. The only way we have to turn things around is for Rafa to go.
[/quote]

Just a little perspective Anita. I am sure your lifetime (as a fan) isn't very long compared with the history of LFC. Say it stretches way back to Kenny's time as a manager, I am sure there are plenty of crisis from then till now. I am sure Houllier's last year was pretty horrendous as well.
[/quote]How about this for a little perpective Y1. Never in all my years as a fan have i felt so dispondant on our prospects, I suspect Portly would say the same and he goes back even further than me, to the early sixties.
The problem now is the consequences of failure are far more accute and catastrophic than even five or six years ago.
Regards
[/quote]

You are right in that we are rightly despondent because we expected more from the great performance of last season. Our heightened prospect and anticipation has now be shot to pieces, that I agree. Surely this is not the worst LFC team.

Anita, perspective is not an excuse for failure of Rafa and the team, perspective tells us that our current despair is not without precedent.
 
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37000 posts oncey??

Fucking Christ alight
[/quote]

Plus he seems to be posting less these days. Pull up the sock Oncy.
 
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No it's not the same at all Anita!

You said:

"the denial that he's done anything wrong born from the desire to desperately believe he's this wonderful manager which he isn't".

The fact is every single poster on here knows (and has regularly stated) that Rafa has made plenty of mistakes.

Of course posters who still think that Rafa is the right man to manage us will defend "many" of his actions that are being debated, especially when they have some very valid points.

You in your infinite wisdom may think that Rafa getting the boot is the obvious solution to all of our clubs problems, but believe it or not, not everyone else is so sure.
[/quote]

RPM, I can't *fathom* how people think he's the best man to carry on with the club in the state that it's in. Seriously, I can't. I can't ever remember things being so bad in my lifetime. Things are as bad as they've been for a long long time, and I don't understand how that isn't as unbearable to others as it is to me. The only way we have to turn things around is for Rafa to go.
[/quote]

Just a little perspective Anita. I am sure your lifetime (as a fan) isn't very long compared with the history of LFC. Say it stretches way back to Kenny's time as a manager, I am sure there are plenty of crisis from then till now. I am sure Houllier's last year was pretty horrendous as well.
[/quote]How about this for a little perpective Y1. Never in all my years as a fan have i felt so dispondant on our prospects, I suspect Portly would say the same and he goes back even further than me, to the early sixties.
The problem now is the consequences of failure are far more accute and catastrophic than even five or six years ago.
Regards
[/quote]

You are right in that we are rightly despondent because we expected more from the great performance of last season. Our heightened prospect and anticipation has now be shot to pieces, that I agree. Surely this is not the worst LFC team.

Anita, perspective is not an excuse for failure of Rafa and the team, perspective tells us that our current despair is not without precedent.
[/quote]

By comparison , I think it is not be the worst team, it is the worst squad, ergo what we are left with at the moment probably is

regards
 
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