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[quote author=Richey link=topic=38437.msg1034103#msg1034103 date=1263492187]
So having a few free transfers and cheap players means that we can't beat a team who can't afford to pay their players?
Also, in case you didn't notice, most of our first team played last night. And among those who were missing was our keeper, who was replaced by a back up who cost over 3 million. And we're supposedly on the breadline are we?
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Mate we should be beating the likes of Reading with our 2nd team. Not because we are Liverpool so we should beat everyone in front of us, but because they are a lower level team. But we surely have to be able to allow one bad season from the Gaffer? Hasn't he earned at least that much? I think he should be given the chance of 'fixing it'. If he fails, then sack him. I'd give him one more season after this, then make a decision.
So having a few free transfers and cheap players means that we can't beat a team who can't afford to pay their players?
Also, in case you didn't notice, most of our first team played last night. And among those who were missing was our keeper, who was replaced by a back up who cost over 3 million. And we're supposedly on the breadline are we?
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Mate we should be beating the likes of Reading with our 2nd team. Not because we are Liverpool so we should beat everyone in front of us, but because they are a lower level team. But we surely have to be able to allow one bad season from the Gaffer? Hasn't he earned at least that much? I think he should be given the chance of 'fixing it'. If he fails, then sack him. I'd give him one more season after this, then make a decision.
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[quote author=Richey link=topic=38437.msg1034103#msg1034103 date=1263492187]
So having a few free transfers and cheap players means that we can't beat a team who can't afford to pay their players?
Also, in case you didn't notice, most of our first team played last night. And among those who were missing was our keeper, who was replaced by a back up who cost over 3 million. And we're supposedly on the breadline are we?
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Mate we should be beating the likes of Reading with our 2nd team. Not because we are Liverpool so we should beat everyone in front of us, but because they are a lower level team. But we surely have to be able to allow one bad season from the Gaffer? Hasn't he earned at least that much? I think he should be given the chance of 'fixing it'. If he fails, then sack him. I'd give him one more season after this, then make a decision.
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[quote author=Richey link=topic=38437.msg1034103#msg1034103 date=1263492187]
So having a few free transfers and cheap players means that we can't beat a team who can't afford to pay their players?
Also, in case you didn't notice, most of our first team played last night. And among those who were missing was our keeper, who was replaced by a back up who cost over 3 million. And we're supposedly on the breadline are we?
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Mate we should be beating the likes of Reading with our 2nd team. Not because we are Liverpool so we should beat everyone in front of us, but because they are a lower level team. But we surely have to be able to allow one bad season from the Gaffer? Hasn't he earned at least that much? I think he should be given the chance of 'fixing it'. If he fails, then sack him. I'd give him one more season after this, then make a decision.
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[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38437.msg1034106#msg1034106 date=1263492488]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=38437.msg1034103#msg1034103 date=1263492187]
So having a few free transfers and cheap players means that we can't beat a team who can't afford to pay their players?
Also, in case you didn't notice, most of our first team played last night. And among those who were missing was our keeper, who was replaced by a back up who cost over 3 million. And we're supposedly on the breadline are we?
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Mate we should be beating the likes of Reading with our 2nd team. Not because we are Liverpool so we should beat everyone in front of us, but because they are a lower level team. But we surely have to be able to allow one bad season from the Gaffer? Hasn't he earned at least that much? I think he should be given the chance of 'fixing it'. If he fails, then sack him. I'd give him one more season after this, then make a decision.
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my only qualm is that we are up and down with rafa. next season we could be good again and finish 3rd. Which would probably save his job again. Its a matter of belief as to whether he'll win us the league. I think he won't now. He makes too many strange choices for starting XI's and he make stupid substitutions. I lost my faith at pompy. No manager thinks it's a good idea to bring on jay spearing when chasing a game. he isn't a match winner. We had players who can crack one from outside the box and are clean finishers, yet he chose to do a like for like in the middle of the park. It was pathetic
[quote author=Richey link=topic=38437.msg1034103#msg1034103 date=1263492187]
So having a few free transfers and cheap players means that we can't beat a team who can't afford to pay their players?
Also, in case you didn't notice, most of our first team played last night. And among those who were missing was our keeper, who was replaced by a back up who cost over 3 million. And we're supposedly on the breadline are we?
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Mate we should be beating the likes of Reading with our 2nd team. Not because we are Liverpool so we should beat everyone in front of us, but because they are a lower level team. But we surely have to be able to allow one bad season from the Gaffer? Hasn't he earned at least that much? I think he should be given the chance of 'fixing it'. If he fails, then sack him. I'd give him one more season after this, then make a decision.
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my only qualm is that we are up and down with rafa. next season we could be good again and finish 3rd. Which would probably save his job again. Its a matter of belief as to whether he'll win us the league. I think he won't now. He makes too many strange choices for starting XI's and he make stupid substitutions. I lost my faith at pompy. No manager thinks it's a good idea to bring on jay spearing when chasing a game. he isn't a match winner. We had players who can crack one from outside the box and are clean finishers, yet he chose to do a like for like in the middle of the park. It was pathetic
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=38437.msg1034110#msg1034110 date=1263492705]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38437.msg1034106#msg1034106 date=1263492488]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=38437.msg1034103#msg1034103 date=1263492187]
So having a few free transfers and cheap players means that we can't beat a team who can't afford to pay their players?
Also, in case you didn't notice, most of our first team played last night. And among those who were missing was our keeper, who was replaced by a back up who cost over 3 million. And we're supposedly on the breadline are we?
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Mate we should be beating the likes of Reading with our 2nd team. Not because we are Liverpool so we should beat everyone in front of us, but because they are a lower level team. But we surely have to be able to allow one bad season from the Gaffer? Hasn't he earned at least that much? I think he should be given the chance of 'fixing it'. If he fails, then sack him. I'd give him one more season after this, then make a decision.
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my only qualm is that we are up and down with rafa. next season we could be good again and finish 3rd. Which would probably save his job again. Its a matter of belief as to whether he'll win us the league. I think he won't now. He makes too many strange choices for starting XI's and he make stupid substitutions. I lost my faith at pompy. No manager thinks it's a good idea to bring on jay spearing when chasing a game. he isn't a match winner. We had players who can crack one from outside the box and are clean finishers, yet he chose to do a like for like in the middle of the park. It was pathetic
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So what you want is a manager that selects predictable starting line ups and substitutions or ones that you can make sense of or agree with?
Often a manager makes those decisions to confuse the opposition manager. That being the case, with you not being a manager, it would confound you also. Everyone talks up Mourinho. Fair do's he's a top manager. Yet when he was chasing a game against us he put Robert Huth up front to get a goal. Imagine Rafa sending Carra up front last night to get back a goal. You and others would probably be apopletic.
Bottom line for me its about results. Results this season has been the poorest for many a year, for whatever reason. Question is, what do we do as a club? The £20m it would take to pay off Rafa could buy a top striker.
Furthermore, Rafa is central to our medium term strategic goals. Sacking him may undermine that. It's a huge risk.
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38437.msg1034106#msg1034106 date=1263492488]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=38437.msg1034103#msg1034103 date=1263492187]
So having a few free transfers and cheap players means that we can't beat a team who can't afford to pay their players?
Also, in case you didn't notice, most of our first team played last night. And among those who were missing was our keeper, who was replaced by a back up who cost over 3 million. And we're supposedly on the breadline are we?
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Mate we should be beating the likes of Reading with our 2nd team. Not because we are Liverpool so we should beat everyone in front of us, but because they are a lower level team. But we surely have to be able to allow one bad season from the Gaffer? Hasn't he earned at least that much? I think he should be given the chance of 'fixing it'. If he fails, then sack him. I'd give him one more season after this, then make a decision.
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my only qualm is that we are up and down with rafa. next season we could be good again and finish 3rd. Which would probably save his job again. Its a matter of belief as to whether he'll win us the league. I think he won't now. He makes too many strange choices for starting XI's and he make stupid substitutions. I lost my faith at pompy. No manager thinks it's a good idea to bring on jay spearing when chasing a game. he isn't a match winner. We had players who can crack one from outside the box and are clean finishers, yet he chose to do a like for like in the middle of the park. It was pathetic
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So what you want is a manager that selects predictable starting line ups and substitutions or ones that you can make sense of or agree with?
Often a manager makes those decisions to confuse the opposition manager. That being the case, with you not being a manager, it would confound you also. Everyone talks up Mourinho. Fair do's he's a top manager. Yet when he was chasing a game against us he put Robert Huth up front to get a goal. Imagine Rafa sending Carra up front last night to get back a goal. You and others would probably be apopletic.
Bottom line for me its about results. Results this season has been the poorest for many a year, for whatever reason. Question is, what do we do as a club? The £20m it would take to pay off Rafa could buy a top striker.
Furthermore, Rafa is central to our medium term strategic goals. Sacking him may undermine that. It's a huge risk.
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38437.msg1034106#msg1034106 date=1263492488]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=38437.msg1034103#msg1034103 date=1263492187]
So having a few free transfers and cheap players means that we can't beat a team who can't afford to pay their players?
Also, in case you didn't notice, most of our first team played last night. And among those who were missing was our keeper, who was replaced by a back up who cost over 3 million. And we're supposedly on the breadline are we?
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Mate we should be beating the likes of Reading with our 2nd team. Not because we are Liverpool so we should beat everyone in front of us, but because they are a lower level team. But we surely have to be able to allow one bad season from the Gaffer? Hasn't he earned at least that much? I think he should be given the chance of 'fixing it'. If he fails, then sack him. I'd give him one more season after this, then make a decision.
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If he had brought us a premier league or two in his five years I might be inclined to agree with you, but he hasn't and we are going backwards
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[quote author=Richey link=topic=38437.msg1034103#msg1034103 date=1263492187]
So having a few free transfers and cheap players means that we can't beat a team who can't afford to pay their players?
Also, in case you didn't notice, most of our first team played last night. And among those who were missing was our keeper, who was replaced by a back up who cost over 3 million. And we're supposedly on the breadline are we?
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Mate we should be beating the likes of Reading with our 2nd team. Not because we are Liverpool so we should beat everyone in front of us, but because they are a lower level team. But we surely have to be able to allow one bad season from the Gaffer? Hasn't he earned at least that much? I think he should be given the chance of 'fixing it'. If he fails, then sack him. I'd give him one more season after this, then make a decision.
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If he had brought us a premier league or two in his five years I might be inclined to agree with you, but he hasn't and we are going backwards
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[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38437.msg1034106#msg1034106 date=1263492488]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=38437.msg1034103#msg1034103 date=1263492187]
So having a few free transfers and cheap players means that we can't beat a team who can't afford to pay their players?
Also, in case you didn't notice, most of our first team played last night. And among those who were missing was our keeper, who was replaced by a back up who cost over 3 million. And we're supposedly on the breadline are we?
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Mate we should be beating the likes of Reading with our 2nd team. Not because we are Liverpool so we should beat everyone in front of us, but because they are a lower level team. But we surely have to be able to allow one bad season from the Gaffer? Hasn't he earned at least that much? I think he should be given the chance of 'fixing it'. If he fails, then sack him. I'd give him one more season after this, then make a decision.
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If he had brought us a premier league or two in his five years I might be inclined to agree with you, but he hasn't and we are going backwards
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I hear that. Having said that only two clubs have won the league since rafa has been here. Both clubs spend the most money on players and wages. The league is about money.
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38437.msg1034106#msg1034106 date=1263492488]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=38437.msg1034103#msg1034103 date=1263492187]
So having a few free transfers and cheap players means that we can't beat a team who can't afford to pay their players?
Also, in case you didn't notice, most of our first team played last night. And among those who were missing was our keeper, who was replaced by a back up who cost over 3 million. And we're supposedly on the breadline are we?
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Mate we should be beating the likes of Reading with our 2nd team. Not because we are Liverpool so we should beat everyone in front of us, but because they are a lower level team. But we surely have to be able to allow one bad season from the Gaffer? Hasn't he earned at least that much? I think he should be given the chance of 'fixing it'. If he fails, then sack him. I'd give him one more season after this, then make a decision.
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If he had brought us a premier league or two in his five years I might be inclined to agree with you, but he hasn't and we are going backwards
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I hear that. Having said that only two clubs have won the league since rafa has been here. Both clubs spend the most money on players and wages. The league is about money.
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38437.msg1034118#msg1034118 date=1263493294]
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=38437.msg1034110#msg1034110 date=1263492705]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38437.msg1034106#msg1034106 date=1263492488]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=38437.msg1034103#msg1034103 date=1263492187]
So having a few free transfers and cheap players means that we can't beat a team who can't afford to pay their players?
Also, in case you didn't notice, most of our first team played last night. And among those who were missing was our keeper, who was replaced by a back up who cost over 3 million. And we're supposedly on the breadline are we?
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Mate we should be beating the likes of Reading with our 2nd team. Not because we are Liverpool so we should beat everyone in front of us, but because they are a lower level team. But we surely have to be able to allow one bad season from the Gaffer? Hasn't he earned at least that much? I think he should be given the chance of 'fixing it'. If he fails, then sack him. I'd give him one more season after this, then make a decision.
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my only qualm is that we are up and down with rafa. next season we could be good again and finish 3rd. Which would probably save his job again. Its a matter of belief as to whether he'll win us the league. I think he won't now. He makes too many strange choices for starting XI's and he make stupid substitutions. I lost my faith at pompy. No manager thinks it's a good idea to bring on jay spearing when chasing a game. he isn't a match winner. We had players who can crack one from outside the box and are clean finishers, yet he chose to do a like for like in the middle of the park. It was pathetic
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So what you want is a manager that selects predictable starting line ups and substitutions or ones that you can make sense of or agree with?
Often a manager makes those decisions to confuse the opposition manager. That being the case, with you not being a manager, it would confound you also. Everyone talks up Mourinho. Fair do's he's a top manager. Yet when he was chasing a game against us he put Robert Huth up front to get a goal. Imagine Rafa sending Carra up front last night to get back a goal. You and others would probably be apopletic.
Bottom line for me its about results. Results this season has been the poorest for many a year, for whatever reason. Question is, what do we do as a club? The £20m it would take to pay off Rafa could buy a top striker.
Furthermore, Rafa is central to our medium term strategic goals. Sacking him may undermine that. It's a huge risk.
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That makes sense when chasing a game because he's tall and good in the air. If needs must you can hoof it to him for the flick on. Carra isn't dominant in the air. Even so, last night i was screaming for agger and carra to go up, leaving skrtel behind to guard the goal. We were chasing a game and the way we played you wouldn't have believed it.
And i do agree that results are what matters, and whilst this season has been poor, i wouldn't be as livid as i am if we at least played well. Hell, i'd accept us being further away from 4th if i could blame it on just poor luck. however what started as bad luck and now turned catastrophic. Our form shows no sign of improvement and we are in very real danger of missing out on the champions league.
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=38437.msg1034110#msg1034110 date=1263492705]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38437.msg1034106#msg1034106 date=1263492488]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=38437.msg1034103#msg1034103 date=1263492187]
So having a few free transfers and cheap players means that we can't beat a team who can't afford to pay their players?
Also, in case you didn't notice, most of our first team played last night. And among those who were missing was our keeper, who was replaced by a back up who cost over 3 million. And we're supposedly on the breadline are we?
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Mate we should be beating the likes of Reading with our 2nd team. Not because we are Liverpool so we should beat everyone in front of us, but because they are a lower level team. But we surely have to be able to allow one bad season from the Gaffer? Hasn't he earned at least that much? I think he should be given the chance of 'fixing it'. If he fails, then sack him. I'd give him one more season after this, then make a decision.
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my only qualm is that we are up and down with rafa. next season we could be good again and finish 3rd. Which would probably save his job again. Its a matter of belief as to whether he'll win us the league. I think he won't now. He makes too many strange choices for starting XI's and he make stupid substitutions. I lost my faith at pompy. No manager thinks it's a good idea to bring on jay spearing when chasing a game. he isn't a match winner. We had players who can crack one from outside the box and are clean finishers, yet he chose to do a like for like in the middle of the park. It was pathetic
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So what you want is a manager that selects predictable starting line ups and substitutions or ones that you can make sense of or agree with?
Often a manager makes those decisions to confuse the opposition manager. That being the case, with you not being a manager, it would confound you also. Everyone talks up Mourinho. Fair do's he's a top manager. Yet when he was chasing a game against us he put Robert Huth up front to get a goal. Imagine Rafa sending Carra up front last night to get back a goal. You and others would probably be apopletic.
Bottom line for me its about results. Results this season has been the poorest for many a year, for whatever reason. Question is, what do we do as a club? The £20m it would take to pay off Rafa could buy a top striker.
Furthermore, Rafa is central to our medium term strategic goals. Sacking him may undermine that. It's a huge risk.
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That makes sense when chasing a game because he's tall and good in the air. If needs must you can hoof it to him for the flick on. Carra isn't dominant in the air. Even so, last night i was screaming for agger and carra to go up, leaving skrtel behind to guard the goal. We were chasing a game and the way we played you wouldn't have believed it.
And i do agree that results are what matters, and whilst this season has been poor, i wouldn't be as livid as i am if we at least played well. Hell, i'd accept us being further away from 4th if i could blame it on just poor luck. however what started as bad luck and now turned catastrophic. Our form shows no sign of improvement and we are in very real danger of missing out on the champions league.
I don't want to stick the boot into Rafa too much but if you look back on the two things he has won, we mugged the opposition on both occasions, and on both occasions the squad was primarily Houllier's
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It's only very recently, i.e. this season, that we've genuinely had to look at freebies, youngsters and nothing signings as our primary reinforcements.
What about in the seasons prior to that?
After six seasons in charge, even taking into account the 40M fiasco that was the summer of '08, we should have built up a squad that could cope with a couple of barren transfer windows. Unfortunately, Rafa's scatter-gun and 'incremental improvement' approach in the transfer market coupled with his revolving door policy has finally backfired on him horribly.
What about in the seasons prior to that?
After six seasons in charge, even taking into account the 40M fiasco that was the summer of '08, we should have built up a squad that could cope with a couple of barren transfer windows. Unfortunately, Rafa's scatter-gun and 'incremental improvement' approach in the transfer market coupled with his revolving door policy has finally backfired on him horribly.
Well that decision made no sense to me. How many 'flick ons' for assists had Huth made up to that point? It would have been better sending Terry up front, at that point he was quite prolific in front of goal. My opinion is that was a novice decision, the type that you would expect a Sunday League manager to make. But then we can all be wise after the event.
It's sad that more and more people are turning on the Manager and I can understand it. I just don't agree with sacking him. It's unreasonable to expect a League title based on our purchases and spending power. Some people just seem to expect the title because of our name and history. Had we spent £300m net in a season or two, I would say sack him.
It's sad that more and more people are turning on the Manager and I can understand it. I just don't agree with sacking him. It's unreasonable to expect a League title based on our purchases and spending power. Some people just seem to expect the title because of our name and history. Had we spent £300m net in a season or two, I would say sack him.
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It's only very recently, i.e. this season, that we've genuinely had to look at freebies, youngsters and nothing signings as our primary reinforcements.
What about in the seasons prior to that?
After six seasons in charge, even taking into account the 40M fiasco that was the summer of '08, we should have built up a squad that could cope with a couple of barren transfer windows. Unfortunately, Rafa's scatter-gun and 'incremental improvement' approach in the transfer market coupled with his revolving door policy has finally backfired on him horribly.
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I couldn't have put it better myself
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It's only very recently, i.e. this season, that we've genuinely had to look at freebies, youngsters and nothing signings as our primary reinforcements.
What about in the seasons prior to that?
After six seasons in charge, even taking into account the 40M fiasco that was the summer of '08, we should have built up a squad that could cope with a couple of barren transfer windows. Unfortunately, Rafa's scatter-gun and 'incremental improvement' approach in the transfer market coupled with his revolving door policy has finally backfired on him horribly.
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I couldn't have put it better myself
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[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38437.msg1034141#msg1034141 date=1263494411]
It's unreasonable to expect a League title based on our purchases and spending power.
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I don't expect a league title. I expect not to be beaten the amount of times we have this season and be out of the title chase by the New Year 5 years out of 6.
It's unreasonable to expect a League title based on our purchases and spending power.
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I don't expect a league title. I expect not to be beaten the amount of times we have this season and be out of the title chase by the New Year 5 years out of 6.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=38437.msg1034140#msg1034140 date=1263494303]
It's only very recently, i.e. this season, that we've genuinely had to look at freebies, youngsters and nothing signings as our primary reinforcements.
What about in the seasons prior to that?
After six seasons in charge, even taking into account the 40M fiasco that was the summer of '08, we should have built up a squad that could cope with a couple of barren transfer windows. Unfortunately, Rafa's scatter-gun and 'incremental improvement' approach in the transfer market coupled with his revolving door policy has finally backfired on him horribly.
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Ken, Rafa's been picking up frees and cheapies for years. Does a squad that lost only 5 games in two years in the league prior to this become crap all of a sudden? Is Rafa's 'scattergun' approach borne out of necessity rather than an option? You talk about £40m like its big money. It's Berbatov plus a few million more. Having said that, we should be doing better than we are doing.
It's only very recently, i.e. this season, that we've genuinely had to look at freebies, youngsters and nothing signings as our primary reinforcements.
What about in the seasons prior to that?
After six seasons in charge, even taking into account the 40M fiasco that was the summer of '08, we should have built up a squad that could cope with a couple of barren transfer windows. Unfortunately, Rafa's scatter-gun and 'incremental improvement' approach in the transfer market coupled with his revolving door policy has finally backfired on him horribly.
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Ken, Rafa's been picking up frees and cheapies for years. Does a squad that lost only 5 games in two years in the league prior to this become crap all of a sudden? Is Rafa's 'scattergun' approach borne out of necessity rather than an option? You talk about £40m like its big money. It's Berbatov plus a few million more. Having said that, we should be doing better than we are doing.
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38437.msg1034141#msg1034141 date=1263494411]
Well that decision made no sense to me. How many 'flick ons' for assists had Huth made up to that point? It would have been better sending Terry up front, at that point he was quite prolific in front of goal. My opinion is that was a novice decision, the type that you would expect a Sunday League manager to make. But then we can all be wise after the event.
It's sad that more and more people are turning on the Manager and I can understand it. I just don't agree with sacking him. It's unreasonable to expect a League title based on our purchases and spending power. Some people just seem to expect the title because of our name and history. Had we spent £300m net in a season or two, I would say sack him.
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i do get that, but if you've got someone on the pitch who's tall you may as well launch them up top and see if they can disrupt the defence. it is very sunday league, however sometimes that can work
i think me and you are in an agree to disagree situation. I can completely understand your point, and i'd like to think you can see where i'm coming from, i just feel like soon me and you (not the thread) may end up going in circles.
Well that decision made no sense to me. How many 'flick ons' for assists had Huth made up to that point? It would have been better sending Terry up front, at that point he was quite prolific in front of goal. My opinion is that was a novice decision, the type that you would expect a Sunday League manager to make. But then we can all be wise after the event.
It's sad that more and more people are turning on the Manager and I can understand it. I just don't agree with sacking him. It's unreasonable to expect a League title based on our purchases and spending power. Some people just seem to expect the title because of our name and history. Had we spent £300m net in a season or two, I would say sack him.
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i do get that, but if you've got someone on the pitch who's tall you may as well launch them up top and see if they can disrupt the defence. it is very sunday league, however sometimes that can work
i think me and you are in an agree to disagree situation. I can completely understand your point, and i'd like to think you can see where i'm coming from, i just feel like soon me and you (not the thread) may end up going in circles.
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Well that decision made no sense to me. How many 'flick ons' for assists had Huth made up to that point? It would have been better sending Terry up front, at that point he was quite prolific in front of goal. My opinion is that was a novice decision, the type that you would expect a Sunday League manager to make. But then we can all be wise after the event.
It's sad that more and more people are turning on the Manager and I can understand it. I just don't agree with sacking him. It's unreasonable to expect a League title based on our purchases and spending power. Some people just seem to expect the title because of our name and history. Had we spent £300m net in a season or two, I would say sack him.
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i do get that, but if you've got someone on the pitch who's tall you may as well launch them up top and see if they can disrupt the defence. it is very sunday league, however sometimes that can work
i think me and you are in an agree to disagree situation. I can completely understand your point, and i'd like to think you can see where i'm coming from, i just feel like soon me and you (not the thread) may end up going in circles.
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Ha ha yea your right. It's been nice debating with you. Not an insult or personal attack to be seen. :-D
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Well that decision made no sense to me. How many 'flick ons' for assists had Huth made up to that point? It would have been better sending Terry up front, at that point he was quite prolific in front of goal. My opinion is that was a novice decision, the type that you would expect a Sunday League manager to make. But then we can all be wise after the event.
It's sad that more and more people are turning on the Manager and I can understand it. I just don't agree with sacking him. It's unreasonable to expect a League title based on our purchases and spending power. Some people just seem to expect the title because of our name and history. Had we spent £300m net in a season or two, I would say sack him.
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i do get that, but if you've got someone on the pitch who's tall you may as well launch them up top and see if they can disrupt the defence. it is very sunday league, however sometimes that can work
i think me and you are in an agree to disagree situation. I can completely understand your point, and i'd like to think you can see where i'm coming from, i just feel like soon me and you (not the thread) may end up going in circles.
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Ha ha yea your right. It's been nice debating with you. Not an insult or personal attack to be seen. :-D
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Ken, Rafa's been picking up frees and cheapies for years. Does a squad that lost only 5 games in two years in the league prior to this become crap all of a sudden? Is Rafa's 'scattergun' approach borne out of necessity rather than an option? You talk about £40m like its big money. It's Berbatov plus a few million more. Having said that, we should be doing better than we are doing.
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That's exactly why I made a point of saying "primary reinforcements". We may have signed players like Zenden and Voronin in the past, but they were always there to supplement the 'proper' transfer activity.
As for whether Rafa's scatter-gun approach was borne out of necessity or choice, I think you'd have to say there is an element of both, however Rafa has viewed it as a necessity far more than he's needed to.
Ken, Rafa's been picking up frees and cheapies for years. Does a squad that lost only 5 games in two years in the league prior to this become crap all of a sudden? Is Rafa's 'scattergun' approach borne out of necessity rather than an option? You talk about £40m like its big money. It's Berbatov plus a few million more. Having said that, we should be doing better than we are doing.
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That's exactly why I made a point of saying "primary reinforcements". We may have signed players like Zenden and Voronin in the past, but they were always there to supplement the 'proper' transfer activity.
As for whether Rafa's scatter-gun approach was borne out of necessity or choice, I think you'd have to say there is an element of both, however Rafa has viewed it as a necessity far more than he's needed to.
I think Syd is more likely to be KopKing than Headwand.
Headers is genuinely mad, and while Syd was a totally annoying, weird, pedantic, smug cunt with a dreadfully misplaced Messiah complex, I don't think he was *actually* mentally ill
Headers is genuinely mad, and while Syd was a totally annoying, weird, pedantic, smug cunt with a dreadfully misplaced Messiah complex, I don't think he was *actually* mentally ill
Well I have just heard a whisper from a good source that he has resigned. Don't shoot the messenger.
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Well I have just heard a whisper from a good source that he has resigned. Don't shoot the messenger.
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I'd fuckin bum the messenger if he wasn't my brother
Well I have just heard a whisper from a good source that he has resigned. Don't shoot the messenger.
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I'd fuckin bum the messenger if he wasn't my brother
Hahahaha.
There is an article on SSN titled "Defiant Rafa vows to continue" and carries todays date. It would be a sad end if it happens like this.
For the record, I'd still give him till the end of the season, even if minds are made up now. Anyone coming in now would be facing an uphill struggle anyways. The summer would be a cleaner break.
For the record, I'd still give him till the end of the season, even if minds are made up now. Anyone coming in now would be facing an uphill struggle anyways. The summer would be a cleaner break.
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There is an article on SSN titled "Defiant Rafa vows to continue" and carries todays date. It would be a sad end if it happens like this.
For the record, I'd still give him till the end of the season, even if minds are made up now. Anyone coming in now would be facing an uphill struggle anyways. The summer would be a cleaner break.
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Either way the season is a write off. If someone comes in now though they get to acclimatise in the remainder of this dud year, so next year we'll be proper fresh and he would've already put his stamp on the squad. If it was the summer then it would be after the world cup that he would be able to develop the squad under his tutelage
There is an article on SSN titled "Defiant Rafa vows to continue" and carries todays date. It would be a sad end if it happens like this.
For the record, I'd still give him till the end of the season, even if minds are made up now. Anyone coming in now would be facing an uphill struggle anyways. The summer would be a cleaner break.
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Either way the season is a write off. If someone comes in now though they get to acclimatise in the remainder of this dud year, so next year we'll be proper fresh and he would've already put his stamp on the squad. If it was the summer then it would be after the world cup that he would be able to develop the squad under his tutelage
I don't like the idea of firing mid-season. Not very Liverpool.
But while there's nothing he could really do between now and the end of the season to change my mind he should go, if he gets 4th and the Consolation Cup, that would probably change his (should he be inclined to resign), the board's, and the media/ some fans, so we might be stuck with him for another dismal season
That said, I would need to be convinced (as when we sacked Houllier) that the lined-up replacement was of the required calibre
But while there's nothing he could really do between now and the end of the season to change my mind he should go, if he gets 4th and the Consolation Cup, that would probably change his (should he be inclined to resign), the board's, and the media/ some fans, so we might be stuck with him for another dismal season
That said, I would need to be convinced (as when we sacked Houllier) that the lined-up replacement was of the required calibre
If we were guaranteed our first choice replacement, maybe. That is probably quite unlikely however and I don't want to leave the team in the hands of Sammy Lee or get into a situation where we need someone to come in temporarily. And I can't imagine Daglish came back to the club to deal with this, so that's better left alone. Who would we get?
Posted by The-Sir on TLW. Is he a reputable poster?
Posted by The-Sir on TLW. Is he a reputable poster?
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I don't like the idea of firing mid-season. Not very Liverpool.
But while there's nothing he could really do between now and the end of the season to change my mind he should go, if he gets 4th and the Consolation Cup, that would probably change his (should he be inclined to resign), the board's, and the media/ some fans, so we might be stuck with him for another dismal season
That said, I would need to be convinced (as when we sacked Houllier) that the lined-up replacement was of the required calibre
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Nor is playing complete shite, week after week.
I don't like the idea of firing mid-season. Not very Liverpool.
But while there's nothing he could really do between now and the end of the season to change my mind he should go, if he gets 4th and the Consolation Cup, that would probably change his (should he be inclined to resign), the board's, and the media/ some fans, so we might be stuck with him for another dismal season
That said, I would need to be convinced (as when we sacked Houllier) that the lined-up replacement was of the required calibre
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Nor is playing complete shite, week after week.
There was an interview with Rafa on Radio City's news section this morning. He was saying that he picked his strongest team and that it's not always the manager's fault. I totally agree with him. The players have to show some pride and guts. Unfortunately, they are his players and he is responsible for motivating them. If he can't then it's a lost cause and a change is needed. He sounded like a defeated man looking to deflect the blame and attention elsewhere.
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