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Ryan Babel:
LFC league games/goals: 70 / 9
Total LFC games/goals: 111 / 17

Yossi Benayoun:
LFC league games/goals: 82 / 17
Total LFC games/goals: 118 / 27

Albert Riera:
LFC league games/goals: 40 / 3
Total LFC games/goals: 55 / 5

Dirk Kuyt:
LFC league games/goals: 130 / 36
Total LFC games/goals: 183 / 50

Its suprising that Bables only appeared in 7 games less than Yossi, yet some people thinks he's never had a fair crack of the whip?
 
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=38959.msg1056629#msg1056629 date=1266586726]
Ryan Babel:
LFC league games/goals: 70 / 9
Total LFC games/goals: 111 / 17

Yossi Benayoun:
LFC league games/goals: 82 / 17
Total LFC games/goals: 118 / 27

Albert Riera:
LFC league games/goals: 40 / 3
Total LFC games/goals: 55 / 5

Dirk Kuyt:
LFC league games/goals: 130 / 36
Total LFC games/goals: 183 / 50

Its suprising that Bables only appeared in 7 games less than Yossi, yet some people thinks he's never had a fair crack of the whip?
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Exactly, but it proves my point about a bunch of average players, well to be honest less than average.
Babel .13 goal a game
Riera .07
Yossi .2
Dirk a whopping .28

regards
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38959.msg1056621#msg1056621 date=1266586028]
Babel haters can bang on all they want about 'lack of heart' or whatever. The fact remains the Babel's limited attributes of pace, directness and a fierce shot, at times, make him our most dangerous player on the pitch. Because everyone else out there is slow, uncreative and of limited ability. I'm not saying he's a better player than Riera, Kuyt & co, but he certainly provides the startling contrast we really, really need at times.

Whatever the fate of Ryan Babel, I don't know how anyone could not appreciate that.
[/quote]

That's not what his critics don't appreciate. It's the fact - and it IS a fact - that none of those attributes are the slightest use when they're left in the changing-room, and that Babel's left them there way too often. Last night's decent display from him (for once) should come as standard from a player with that much ability.
 
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=38959.msg1056629#msg1056629 date=1266586726]
Ryan Babel:
LFC league games/goals: 70 / 9
Total LFC games/goals: 111 / 17

Yossi Benayoun:
LFC league games/goals: 82 / 17
Total LFC games/goals: 118 / 27

Albert Riera:
LFC league games/goals: 40 / 3
Total LFC games/goals: 55 / 5

Dirk Kuyt:
LFC league games/goals: 130 / 36
Total LFC games/goals: 183 / 50

Its suprising that Bables only appeared in 7 games less than Yossi, yet some people thinks he's never had a fair crack of the whip?
[/quote]

and how many starts? how many minutes?
flinging someone on to save a game we've pissed away or to purely waste time isn't a 'fair crack of the whip'.
take yesterday, huff and puff, huff and puff 'oh, fucking hell we aren't making inroads on these stubburn bastards, I know, fling babel on'. that is going to do WONDERS for a players progress.
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=38959.msg1056635#msg1056635 date=1266587519]
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=38959.msg1056629#msg1056629 date=1266586726]
Ryan Babel:
LFC league games/goals: 70 / 9
Total LFC games/goals: 111 / 17

Yossi Benayoun:
LFC league games/goals: 82 / 17
Total LFC games/goals: 118 / 27

Albert Riera:
LFC league games/goals: 40 / 3
Total LFC games/goals: 55 / 5

Dirk Kuyt:
LFC league games/goals: 130 / 36
Total LFC games/goals: 183 / 50

Its suprising that Bables only appeared in 7 games less than Yossi, yet some people thinks he's never had a fair crack of the whip?
[/quote]

Exactly, but it proves my point about a bunch of average players, well to be honest less than average.
Babel .13 goal a game
Riera .07
Yossi .2
Dirk a whopping .28

regards


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Who is better in the prem atm though? despite our shortcoming from the wings goalscoring wise, we always seem (over the last couple of seasons at least) to have no problem getting 100 goals first, despite being a 'defensive' team as Sky like to call us.
 
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=38959.msg1056629#msg1056629 date=1266586726]
Ryan Babel:
LFC league games/goals: 70 / 9
Total LFC games/goals: 111 / 17

Yossi Benayoun:
LFC league games/goals: 82 / 17
Total LFC games/goals: 118 / 27

Albert Riera:
LFC league games/goals: 40 / 3
Total LFC games/goals: 55 / 5

Dirk Kuyt:
LFC league games/goals: 130 / 36
Total LFC games/goals: 183 / 50

Its suprising that Bables only appeared in 7 games less than Yossi, yet some people thinks he's never had a fair crack of the whip?
[/quote]

Please can you also list how many starts/sub appearances he had. That would be a far more fair barometer. For example, I'd guess that the bottom 3 (definitely Kuyt) started at least 55%+ of their appearances. I would guess Babel's % is far less than that.
 
if it were up to me I'd give a player a run of games whether they were good bad or indifferent, I'm talking 5 games in a row. I'd tell that player that is their chance to shine and that player would feel confidence knowing that he isn't going to be hooked at the first sign of trouble. since babel's debut season has he started 3 games in a row?
fucking bullshit. not to worry at least rafa is affording time and patience to lucas and insua.
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=38959.msg1056646#msg1056646 date=1266589698]
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=38959.msg1056629#msg1056629 date=1266586726]
Ryan Babel:
LFC league games/goals: 70 / 9
Total LFC games/goals: 111 / 17

Yossi Benayoun:
LFC league games/goals: 82 / 17
Total LFC games/goals: 118 / 27

Albert Riera:
LFC league games/goals: 40 / 3
Total LFC games/goals: 55 / 5

Dirk Kuyt:
LFC league games/goals: 130 / 36
Total LFC games/goals: 183 / 50

Its suprising that Bables only appeared in 7 games less than Yossi, yet some people thinks he's never had a fair crack of the whip?
[/quote]

Please can you also list how many starts/sub appearances he had. That would be a far more fair barometer. For example, I'd guess that the bottom 3 (definitely Kuyt) started at least 55%+ of their appearances. I would guess Babel's % is far less than that.
[/quote]

I would say Kuyt has started a far bigger percentage than that.

regards
 
Look can we get it into our heads, Babel has had loads of chances and loads of runs of games over the last few seasons and never fails to disappoint.
His attitude is forever coming into question.
Face up to it for Christs sake it's like having a major part in Groundhog Day

regards
 
[quote author=franklyfrank link=topic=38959.msg1056648#msg1056648 date=1266589798]
With regards to people saying Babel is a lazy cunt etc, if he is then what does that make Riera?
[/quote]

Slightly less of a lazy cunt. The bottom line is neither are good enough.
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=38959.msg1056654#msg1056654 date=1266590183]
Look can we get it into our heads, Babel has had loads of chances and loads of runs of games over the last few seasons and never fails to disappoint.
His attitude is forever coming into question.
Face up to it for Christs sake it's like having a major part in Groundhog Day

regards
[/quote]

what run? please post stats? post where babel has started 4 (FOUR!!) games in a row. if he hasn't then that's not a run.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=38959.msg1056640#msg1056640 date=1266588775]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38959.msg1056621#msg1056621 date=1266586028]
Babel haters can bang on all they want about 'lack of heart' or whatever. The fact remains the Babel's limited attributes of pace, directness and a fierce shot, at times, make him our most dangerous player on the pitch. Because everyone else out there is slow, uncreative and of limited ability. I'm not saying he's a better player than Riera, Kuyt & co, but he certainly provides the startling contrast we really, really need at times.

Whatever the fate of Ryan Babel, I don't know how anyone could not appreciate that.
[/quote]

That's not what his critics don't appreciate. It's the fact - and it IS a fact - that none of those attributes are the slightest use when they're left in the changing-room, and that Babel's left them there way too often. Last night's decent display from him (for once) should come as standard from a player with that much ability.
[/quote]

It's already gotten to the point where he can do no good, Jules, and it's been like that for some time.

Irrationality has set in where Babel's concerned, IMO.
 
There's nothing irrational about it. What's rational is that he's had chances. Plenty of them. And he's failed almost every time. Last night was a mere glimmer of Babels potential because he has plenty of it - no one really doubts that. What's missing is his application and heart for it. We've seen brief glimpses of it but he has do it all the time. On the training pitch, on the real pitch. He just does not give 100% ever in my opinion. I wanted him to succeed, I really did but, for me, it's way past the point of redemption now.
 
Everyones saying he did really well last night, all I saw apart from the cross, was him running into packs of defenders and losing the ball!

At least when Yossi's on he dribbles past them and is either fouled or gets a shot/pass in!
 
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=38959.msg1056662#msg1056662 date=1266591298]
Spidey. Just now.
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forgive my presumption. what qualifies as a run?
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38959.msg1056685#msg1056685 date=1266592771]
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=38959.msg1056662#msg1056662 date=1266591298]
Spidey. Just now.
[/quote]

forgive my presumption. what qualifies as a run?
[/quote]

I couldn't give a fucking monkeys. It's not an argument worth having. Certainly not with you, anyway.
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=38959.msg1056668#msg1056668 date=1266592059]
There's nothing irrational about it. What's rational is that he's had chances. Plenty of them. And he's failed almost every time. Last night was a mere glimmer of Babels potential because he has plenty of it - no one really doubts that. What's missing is his application and heart for it. We've seen brief glimpses of it but he has do it all the time. On the training pitch, on the real pitch. He just does not give 100% ever in my opinion. I wanted him to succeed, I really did but, for me, it's way past the point of redemption now.
[/quote]

Exactly no matter what he does he'll be"passed the point of redemption" and you'll continue to score him -1 of whatever he deserves in the ratings thread.

When he came on on the derby, people were saying he was lazy as ever, without heart, blah, blah. Which was nonsense; he was actually trying. I think Farky re-watched the game and changed his viewpoint on this very matter.

Peoples minds are already predetermined where Babel is concerned, and I hardly think he's great, but he can still provide a decent service to this squad - at least until the summer - and so it will prove.
 
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=38959.msg1056693#msg1056693 date=1266593049]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38959.msg1056685#msg1056685 date=1266592771]
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=38959.msg1056662#msg1056662 date=1266591298]
Spidey. Just now.
[/quote]

forgive my presumption. what qualifies as a run?
[/quote]

I couldn't give a fucking monkeys. It's not an argument worth having. Certainly not with you, anyway.
[/quote]

ooooooohhhhhhh!!!

to be fair a forum is totally the wrong place to have a debate.
 
Babel put in a decent performance. He lost the ball a couple of times, sure, but he also went on a couple decent runs and more often than not, he passed it instead of running into defenders (perhaps people are thinking of Riera in that regard).
 
His attitude impressed me more than anything, he actually showed a bit of fight and enthusiasm, he's shown far less against worse sides too.

At worst he provides the side with pace, something we sorely lack, especially in Torres' absence. I don't see what we've got to lose in playing him more, he's clearly got some ability and until the summer at least can do a job for this team
 
As Vlad said, we were/are so lacking pace and creativity that the sheer sight of Babel or Pacheco coming off the bench left even Babel's sternest critics feeling optimistic. He's got pace, we lack it, it's a no brainer in certain games, at least while Torres is out.

That said, and again as Vlad said, that shouldn't mean we should lose sight of the fact that he has had chances and repeatedly spurned them. Practically every time he's scored as a sub he's been rewarded with a start in the next match, and I'd wager 100% of the time has then put in a shite performance.

His attitude is wank, he's brainless on and off the pitch and we've been here a million times. It seems being able to run at a tired bunch of amateur's is something to aspire to and applaud. Well only in the context of the other no hopers who huffed and puffed for the best part of 90 minutes against a side we should have had dead and buried at half time.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=38959.msg1056844#msg1056844 date=1266614008]
As Vlad said, we were/are so lacking pace and creativity that the sheer sight of Babel or Pacheco coming off the bench left even Babel's sternest critics feeling optimistic. He's got pace, we lack it, it's a no brainer in certain games, at least while Torres is out.

That said, and again as Vlad said, that shouldn't mean we should lose sight of the fact that he has had chances and repeatedly spurned them. Practically every time he's scored as a sub he's been rewarded with a start in the next match, and I'd wager 100% of the time has then put in a shite performance.

His attitude is wank, he's brainless on and off the pitch and we've been here a million times. It seems being able to run at a tired bunch of amateur's is something to aspire to and applaud. Well only in the context of the other no hopers who huffed and puffed for the best part of 90 minutes against a side we should have had dead and buried at half time.
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Yeah.

Like Vlad said in another thread.. we're all just arguing over who's less shitter.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38959.msg1056656#msg1056656 date=1266590714]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=38959.msg1056654#msg1056654 date=1266590183]
Look can we get it into our heads, Babel has had loads of chances and loads of runs of games over the last few seasons and never fails to disappoint.
His attitude is forever coming into question.
Face up to it for Christs sake it's like having a major part in Groundhog Day

regards
[/quote]

what run? please post stats? post where babel has started 4 (FOUR!!) games in a row. if he hasn't then that's not a run.
[/quote]

I am willing to bet a tenner to a charity of anyones choice that he has started at least four games on the run at some point during his career with us

regards
 
Babel's goals are usually the 4th in a 4-0 rout too. Whereas Kuyt actually scores important ones.
 
I'm gonna break my football forum sabbatical again for a minute to say that there's a lot of shite being spouted about Babel here.

Fair doos, he's a right lazy cunt at times, and been worse than useless on more than one occasion, but credit where credit's due - he made a difference when he came on. Granted, more often than not he ran into a pack of defenders, but given that he generally had three of the fuckers on him every time he was on the ball, it's hardly fucking surprising, is it?

Whatever you wanna say about him, he came on and had a go - and unlike virtually the entire team for the rest of the game he tried to make stuff happen - it didn't work all the time, but given that he supplied the cross that Pacheco nodded down for Ngog, you can't say he did nothing, to try and claim so is just blinkered.

He's not a world-beater, and he's not the greatest player ever, but watching him for the short time he was on was a massive relief from watching the rest of the team amble around making sideways passes and generally doing fuck all all match. Okay, it was a touch frustrating watching him get the ball, make a run, and then stumble into three players on the edge of the box, but no more frustrating than watching everyone else pass it around 20 yards outside the box, maintaining possession but offering about as much threat as a kid with a banana. Ultimately, he looked far more threatening in the short time he was on and cemented that with a cross that led to an assist.

I'm not sure he's worthy of a start (although given Albert's performance, neither does he really) but he did okay
 
That just makes it more damning, Singe... IMHO.

I think he does have quality, he just doesnt bother showing it very often.

I privately felt that he'd have taken Torres' injury as a real opportunity to stake his claim to be considered a real strike option.

It's all the more galling that it's the inferior N'gog who seems to keep trying to get opportunities and to chip in with goals.

It's like he doesn't know he's very good, but keeps trying anyway.

I think I've mentioned it before, but if Babel had N'gog's attitude and drive he could be a REAL threat.

Which just pisses me off all over again.
 
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