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[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=40525.msg1126114#msg1126114 date=1277459508]
Hodgson is a mistake, he won't last 15 games and isnt inspiring enough to attract - and keep - the kind of players we're looking for
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[quote author=Sven link=topic=40525.msg1126113#msg1126113 date=1277459218]
Hodgson and his anti-football can fuck off.
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Well that's convinced me
*edges towards the newly formed 'Woy Can Do No Wong' camp*
Hodgson is a mistake, he won't last 15 games and isnt inspiring enough to attract - and keep - the kind of players we're looking for
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[quote author=Sven link=topic=40525.msg1126113#msg1126113 date=1277459218]
Hodgson and his anti-football can fuck off.
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Well that's convinced me
*edges towards the newly formed 'Woy Can Do No Wong' camp*
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[quote author=Richey link=topic=40525.msg1126116#msg1126116 date=1277459729]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=40525.msg1126114#msg1126114 date=1277459508]
Hodgson is a mistake, he won't last 15 games and isnt inspiring enough to attract - and keep - the kind of players we're looking for
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[quote author=Sven link=topic=40525.msg1126113#msg1126113 date=1277459218]
Hodgson and his anti-football can fuck off.
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Well that's convinced me
*edges towards the newly formed 'Woy Can Do No Wong' camp*
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Ha. I'll see you over there Richey!
WCDNW FTMFW TBF.
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=40525.msg1126114#msg1126114 date=1277459508]
Hodgson is a mistake, he won't last 15 games and isnt inspiring enough to attract - and keep - the kind of players we're looking for
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[quote author=Sven link=topic=40525.msg1126113#msg1126113 date=1277459218]
Hodgson and his anti-football can fuck off.
[/quote]
Well that's convinced me
*edges towards the newly formed 'Woy Can Do No Wong' camp*
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Ha. I'll see you over there Richey!
WCDNW FTMFW TBF.
Give him a chance you say? And there goes another three years - how far behind will we be then?
I'm not prone to extremist intemperate postings, but this is a bad appointment.
It's not going to attract talent, it's not going to keep Gerrard and Torres (they won't respect him),
We've gone from league winners potentially to mid table mediocrity in ONE season.
there's no WAY Hodgson is going to give us CL football next season with the players CITY are signing.
Let the asset stripping begin. It's going rapidly downhill from here. Mark my words, if you think it's bad now, just wait a season.
Making a joke of this club.
I just can't get over the stupidity. One season in the UEFA CUP he had..and he's our manager?
Ahead of Pellegrini, and Kenny?
you can delude yourself, I'm done doing so.
I'm not prone to extremist intemperate postings, but this is a bad appointment.
It's not going to attract talent, it's not going to keep Gerrard and Torres (they won't respect him),
We've gone from league winners potentially to mid table mediocrity in ONE season.
there's no WAY Hodgson is going to give us CL football next season with the players CITY are signing.
Let the asset stripping begin. It's going rapidly downhill from here. Mark my words, if you think it's bad now, just wait a season.
Making a joke of this club.
I just can't get over the stupidity. One season in the UEFA CUP he had..and he's our manager?
Ahead of Pellegrini, and Kenny?
you can delude yourself, I'm done doing so.
Jesus, who pissed on your chips?
Give the man a chance ffs.
I'm with Bunnyman and Squiggles on this one.
Give the man a chance ffs.
I'm with Bunnyman and Squiggles on this one.
[quote author=localny link=topic=40525.msg1126120#msg1126120 date=1277460862]
Give him a chance you say? And there goes another three years - how far behind will we be then?
I'm not prone to extremist intemperate postings, but this is a bad appointment.
It's not going to attract talent, it's not going to keep Gerrard and Torres (they won't respect him),
We've gone from league winners potentially to mid table mediocrity in ONE season.
there's no WAY Hodgson is going to give us CL football next season with the players CITY are signing.
Let the asset stripping begin. It's going rapidly downhill from here. Mark my words, if you think it's bad now, just wait a season.
Making a joke of this club.
I just can't get over the stupidity. One season in the UEFA CUP he had..and he's our manager?
Ahead of Pellegrini, and Kenny?
you can delude yourself, I'm done doing so.
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I read this post expecting a clever twist at the end.
Give him a chance you say? And there goes another three years - how far behind will we be then?
I'm not prone to extremist intemperate postings, but this is a bad appointment.
It's not going to attract talent, it's not going to keep Gerrard and Torres (they won't respect him),
We've gone from league winners potentially to mid table mediocrity in ONE season.
there's no WAY Hodgson is going to give us CL football next season with the players CITY are signing.
Let the asset stripping begin. It's going rapidly downhill from here. Mark my words, if you think it's bad now, just wait a season.
Making a joke of this club.
I just can't get over the stupidity. One season in the UEFA CUP he had..and he's our manager?
Ahead of Pellegrini, and Kenny?
you can delude yourself, I'm done doing so.
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I read this post expecting a clever twist at the end.
What's all this bollocks abourt him not attracting the right calibre of players about?
If he's winning games thatll take care of itself, he won't be at fulham anymore, he'll be at liverpool football club!
Also his ability to talk to in more than enough languages can only be an asset in the modern english game.
I really hope he isn't dicked about in some sort of interim role until the new owners settle in and promptly boot him out next summer if he hasn't won everything going...
If he's winning games thatll take care of itself, he won't be at fulham anymore, he'll be at liverpool football club!
Also his ability to talk to in more than enough languages can only be an asset in the modern english game.
I really hope he isn't dicked about in some sort of interim role until the new owners settle in and promptly boot him out next summer if he hasn't won everything going...
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=40525.msg1126127#msg1126127 date=1277461277]
What's all this bollocks abourt him not attracting the right calibre of players about?
If he's winning games thatll take care of itself, he won't be at fulham anymore, he'll be at liverpool football club!
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Doesn't matter. I remember what is was like when we were trying to attract top class players to LFC in the 90's and early 2000's - impossible, all the top players wanted London or Manchester. Then along came Rafa and he made it possible.
What's all this bollocks abourt him not attracting the right calibre of players about?
If he's winning games thatll take care of itself, he won't be at fulham anymore, he'll be at liverpool football club!
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Doesn't matter. I remember what is was like when we were trying to attract top class players to LFC in the 90's and early 2000's - impossible, all the top players wanted London or Manchester. Then along came Rafa and he made it possible.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40525.msg1126125#msg1126125 date=1277461138]
[quote author=localny link=topic=40525.msg1126120#msg1126120 date=1277460862]
Give him a chance you say? And there goes another three years - how far behind will we be then?
I'm not prone to extremist intemperate postings, but this is a bad appointment.
It's not going to attract talent, it's not going to keep Gerrard and Torres (they won't respect him),
We've gone from league winners potentially to mid table mediocrity in ONE season.
there's no WAY Hodgson is going to give us CL football next season with the players CITY are signing.
Let the asset stripping begin. It's going rapidly downhill from here. Mark my words, if you think it's bad now, just wait a season.
Making a joke of this club.
I just can't get over the stupidity. One season in the UEFA CUP he had..and he's our manager?
Ahead of Pellegrini, and Kenny?
you can delude yourself, I'm done doing so.
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I read this post expecting a clever twist at the end.
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I'm amazed Ross that people like yourself are ok with another few years of mediocrity. Maybe I shouldn't give a shite...
[quote author=localny link=topic=40525.msg1126120#msg1126120 date=1277460862]
Give him a chance you say? And there goes another three years - how far behind will we be then?
I'm not prone to extremist intemperate postings, but this is a bad appointment.
It's not going to attract talent, it's not going to keep Gerrard and Torres (they won't respect him),
We've gone from league winners potentially to mid table mediocrity in ONE season.
there's no WAY Hodgson is going to give us CL football next season with the players CITY are signing.
Let the asset stripping begin. It's going rapidly downhill from here. Mark my words, if you think it's bad now, just wait a season.
Making a joke of this club.
I just can't get over the stupidity. One season in the UEFA CUP he had..and he's our manager?
Ahead of Pellegrini, and Kenny?
you can delude yourself, I'm done doing so.
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I read this post expecting a clever twist at the end.
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I'm amazed Ross that people like yourself are ok with another few years of mediocrity. Maybe I shouldn't give a shite...
S
Squiggles
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=40525.msg1125822#msg1125822 date=1277400623]
I almost regret to say, I don't have an issue with the idea of Hodgson, I think he is exactly what we need right now , a steady pair of hands, respected and respectful and who talks great sense.
We need a manager who understands the English game and the psychology of it all.
He is a humble man and probably much more akin to some of the great managers of the past.
I say it again, the way Rafa had gone and was heading anyone will be an improvement.
regards
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This.
I almost regret to say, I don't have an issue with the idea of Hodgson, I think he is exactly what we need right now , a steady pair of hands, respected and respectful and who talks great sense.
We need a manager who understands the English game and the psychology of it all.
He is a humble man and probably much more akin to some of the great managers of the past.
I say it again, the way Rafa had gone and was heading anyone will be an improvement.
regards
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This.
[quote author=localny link=topic=40525.msg1126136#msg1126136 date=1277461564]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40525.msg1126125#msg1126125 date=1277461138]
[quote author=localny link=topic=40525.msg1126120#msg1126120 date=1277460862]
Give him a chance you say? And there goes another three years - how far behind will we be then?
I'm not prone to extremist intemperate postings, but this is a bad appointment.
It's not going to attract talent, it's not going to keep Gerrard and Torres (they won't respect him),
We've gone from league winners potentially to mid table mediocrity in ONE season.
there's no WAY Hodgson is going to give us CL football next season with the players CITY are signing.
Let the asset stripping begin. It's going rapidly downhill from here. Mark my words, if you think it's bad now, just wait a season.
Making a joke of this club.
I just can't get over the stupidity. One season in the UEFA CUP he had..and he's our manager?
Ahead of Pellegrini, and Kenny?
you can delude yourself, I'm done doing so.
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I read this post expecting a clever twist at the end.
[/quote]
I'm amazed Ross that people like yourself are ok with another few years of mediocrity. Maybe I shouldn't give a shite...
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We're already mediocre mate. I'd have no problem with selling all the big players with a view rebuilding towards a league title three or four years down the line.
Hodgson is clearly an effort to rejuvenate a squad that became tired of Benitez and his madness / methods. I don't think we'll see many big names leave we'll just be trying to get back in the top four.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40525.msg1126125#msg1126125 date=1277461138]
[quote author=localny link=topic=40525.msg1126120#msg1126120 date=1277460862]
Give him a chance you say? And there goes another three years - how far behind will we be then?
I'm not prone to extremist intemperate postings, but this is a bad appointment.
It's not going to attract talent, it's not going to keep Gerrard and Torres (they won't respect him),
We've gone from league winners potentially to mid table mediocrity in ONE season.
there's no WAY Hodgson is going to give us CL football next season with the players CITY are signing.
Let the asset stripping begin. It's going rapidly downhill from here. Mark my words, if you think it's bad now, just wait a season.
Making a joke of this club.
I just can't get over the stupidity. One season in the UEFA CUP he had..and he's our manager?
Ahead of Pellegrini, and Kenny?
you can delude yourself, I'm done doing so.
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I read this post expecting a clever twist at the end.
[/quote]
I'm amazed Ross that people like yourself are ok with another few years of mediocrity. Maybe I shouldn't give a shite...
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We're already mediocre mate. I'd have no problem with selling all the big players with a view rebuilding towards a league title three or four years down the line.
Hodgson is clearly an effort to rejuvenate a squad that became tired of Benitez and his madness / methods. I don't think we'll see many big names leave we'll just be trying to get back in the top four.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40525.msg1126147#msg1126147 date=1277461861]
We're already mediocre mate. I'd have no problem with selling all the big players with a view rebuilding towards a league title three or four years down the line.
Hodgson is clearly an effort to rejuvenate a squad that became tired of Benitez and his madness / methods. I don't think we'll see many big names leave we'll just be trying to get back in the top four.
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Ah another four years - and then where are we. Yes Rafa had to go, but after one season we're not mid table mediocrity. An inspiring manager and one or two good buys and we'd be back in the mix. Like I said, he's not going to attract foreign players, and we can't afford English talent.
We're already mediocre mate. I'd have no problem with selling all the big players with a view rebuilding towards a league title three or four years down the line.
Hodgson is clearly an effort to rejuvenate a squad that became tired of Benitez and his madness / methods. I don't think we'll see many big names leave we'll just be trying to get back in the top four.
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Ah another four years - and then where are we. Yes Rafa had to go, but after one season we're not mid table mediocrity. An inspiring manager and one or two good buys and we'd be back in the mix. Like I said, he's not going to attract foreign players, and we can't afford English talent.
You've got your own thread to moan and bitch about Hodgson so fuck off to there and keep out of this one.
[quote author=localny link=topic=40525.msg1126152#msg1126152 date=1277462042]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40525.msg1126147#msg1126147 date=1277461861]
We're already mediocre mate. I'd have no problem with selling all the big players with a view rebuilding towards a league title three or four years down the line.
Hodgson is clearly an effort to rejuvenate a squad that became tired of Benitez and his madness / methods. I don't think we'll see many big names leave we'll just be trying to get back in the top four.
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Ah another four years - and then where are we. Yes Rafa had to go, but after one season we're not mid table mediocrity. An inspiring manager and one or two good buys and we'd be back in the mix. Like I said, he's not going to attract foreign players, and we can't afford English talent.
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I don't agree.
All we need is a manager that will motivate players (and not fall out with them all), play them in positions they are suited to and just generally do the simple things.
Roy fits the bill
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40525.msg1126147#msg1126147 date=1277461861]
We're already mediocre mate. I'd have no problem with selling all the big players with a view rebuilding towards a league title three or four years down the line.
Hodgson is clearly an effort to rejuvenate a squad that became tired of Benitez and his madness / methods. I don't think we'll see many big names leave we'll just be trying to get back in the top four.
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Ah another four years - and then where are we. Yes Rafa had to go, but after one season we're not mid table mediocrity. An inspiring manager and one or two good buys and we'd be back in the mix. Like I said, he's not going to attract foreign players, and we can't afford English talent.
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I don't agree.
All we need is a manager that will motivate players (and not fall out with them all), play them in positions they are suited to and just generally do the simple things.
Roy fits the bill
[quote author=localny link=topic=40525.msg1126160#msg1126160 date=1277462354]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=40525.msg1126155#msg1126155 date=1277462122]
You've got your own thread to moan and bitch about Hodgson so fuck off to there and keep out of this one.
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Wow, nice - did you have to go to college for that one.
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Yeah it was a bit out of order but I'm sick to the back teeth of people writing him off before he's even got here. We're not Newcastle fans.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=40525.msg1126155#msg1126155 date=1277462122]
You've got your own thread to moan and bitch about Hodgson so fuck off to there and keep out of this one.
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Wow, nice - did you have to go to college for that one.
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Yeah it was a bit out of order but I'm sick to the back teeth of people writing him off before he's even got here. We're not Newcastle fans.
S
Squiggles
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=40525.msg1126035#msg1126035 date=1277449622]
Why does it smack of choosing from what's left? He was the first name mentioned, probably a good 4 weeks ago now, it seems he was identified as the right sort of option for us, given our current predicament.
Regards whether or not you thought Rafa should go, you've made it pretty obvious you didn't 'want' him to go and have always expressed that you're a stern backer of the guy. I liked him and wouldn't have been overly fraught either way, but his failings were there for all to see.
I'd sooner have Kenny for the reasons we've stated for a while now, but Hodgson in tandem with Kenny, in some capacity (as I'd imagine would be the case, given they're mates), is probably the next best thing. I'd rather that than gamble on another overpaid foreign manager who needs to acclimatise to the Premiership game.
Right now it's not about 5 year plans, it's about keeping what we've got and stability with a manager who is weathered in the English game, and in this case, the European game too.
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Mark it's just another example of people making up complete bullshit about Hodgson to justify their anger.
It's been going on for weeks.
Who the hell did people expect to come in when Benitez was sacked?
Why does it smack of choosing from what's left? He was the first name mentioned, probably a good 4 weeks ago now, it seems he was identified as the right sort of option for us, given our current predicament.
Regards whether or not you thought Rafa should go, you've made it pretty obvious you didn't 'want' him to go and have always expressed that you're a stern backer of the guy. I liked him and wouldn't have been overly fraught either way, but his failings were there for all to see.
I'd sooner have Kenny for the reasons we've stated for a while now, but Hodgson in tandem with Kenny, in some capacity (as I'd imagine would be the case, given they're mates), is probably the next best thing. I'd rather that than gamble on another overpaid foreign manager who needs to acclimatise to the Premiership game.
Right now it's not about 5 year plans, it's about keeping what we've got and stability with a manager who is weathered in the English game, and in this case, the European game too.
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Mark it's just another example of people making up complete bullshit about Hodgson to justify their anger.
It's been going on for weeks.
Who the hell did people expect to come in when Benitez was sacked?
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=40525.msg1126173#msg1126173 date=1277462983]
[quote author=localny link=topic=40525.msg1126160#msg1126160 date=1277462354]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=40525.msg1126155#msg1126155 date=1277462122]
You've got your own thread to moan and bitch about Hodgson so fuck off to there and keep out of this one.
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Wow, nice - did you have to go to college for that one.
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Yeah it was a bit out of order but I'm sick to the back teeth of people writing him off before he's even got here. We're not Newcastle fans.
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I hear ya, I'm just tired of turning corners. Rafa for all his faults did raise the bar for quite a while, and it feels like we're back where we started confidence and club wise (and with more debt).
[quote author=localny link=topic=40525.msg1126160#msg1126160 date=1277462354]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=40525.msg1126155#msg1126155 date=1277462122]
You've got your own thread to moan and bitch about Hodgson so fuck off to there and keep out of this one.
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Wow, nice - did you have to go to college for that one.
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Yeah it was a bit out of order but I'm sick to the back teeth of people writing him off before he's even got here. We're not Newcastle fans.
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I hear ya, I'm just tired of turning corners. Rafa for all his faults did raise the bar for quite a while, and it feels like we're back where we started confidence and club wise (and with more debt).
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[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=40525.msg1126127#msg1126127 date=1277461277]
What's all this bollocks abourt him not attracting the right calibre of players about?
If he's winning games thatll take care of itself, he won't be at fulham anymore, he'll be at liverpool football club!
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Doesn't matter. I remember what is was like when we were trying to attract top class players to LFC in the 90's and early 2000's - impossible, all the top players wanted London or Manchester. Then along came Rafa and he made it possible.
[/quote]eh? You mean like Babel, Zeige, Hamman, Kewell, Collymore, Hyppia, Smicer, Berger, Dudek, Reidle...etc. Some succeeded, some failed of course, but all were big name players when we signed them.
I'm not sure where you are going with all this.
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=40525.msg1126127#msg1126127 date=1277461277]
What's all this bollocks abourt him not attracting the right calibre of players about?
If he's winning games thatll take care of itself, he won't be at fulham anymore, he'll be at liverpool football club!
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Doesn't matter. I remember what is was like when we were trying to attract top class players to LFC in the 90's and early 2000's - impossible, all the top players wanted London or Manchester. Then along came Rafa and he made it possible.
[/quote]eh? You mean like Babel, Zeige, Hamman, Kewell, Collymore, Hyppia, Smicer, Berger, Dudek, Reidle...etc. Some succeeded, some failed of course, but all were big name players when we signed them.
I'm not sure where you are going with all this.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40525.msg1126184#msg1126184 date=1277463852]
[quote author=localny link=topic=40525.msg1126132#msg1126132 date=1277461454]
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=40525.msg1126127#msg1126127 date=1277461277]
What's all this bollocks abourt him not attracting the right calibre of players about?
If he's winning games thatll take care of itself, he won't be at fulham anymore, he'll be at liverpool football club!
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Doesn't matter. I remember what is was like when we were trying to attract top class players to LFC in the 90's and early 2000's - impossible, all the top players wanted London or Manchester. Then along came Rafa and he made it possible.
[/quote]eh? You mean like Babel, Zeige, Hamman, Kewell, Collymore, Hyppia, Smicer, Berger, Dudek, Reidle...etc. Some succeeded, some failed of course, but all were big name players when we signed them.
I'm not sure where you are going with all this.
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i agree with your argument but Reidle was nearing the end of his career, Kewell and Collymore both played for lesser teams in the Uk... Hyypia played for a mid table dutch team earing very little. Smicer and Berger were both playing in their native countries. I dont think Houllier lacked that pull factor... but i dont think Rafa's ability to bring the very best to Liverpool can be ignored..
[quote author=localny link=topic=40525.msg1126132#msg1126132 date=1277461454]
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=40525.msg1126127#msg1126127 date=1277461277]
What's all this bollocks abourt him not attracting the right calibre of players about?
If he's winning games thatll take care of itself, he won't be at fulham anymore, he'll be at liverpool football club!
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Doesn't matter. I remember what is was like when we were trying to attract top class players to LFC in the 90's and early 2000's - impossible, all the top players wanted London or Manchester. Then along came Rafa and he made it possible.
[/quote]eh? You mean like Babel, Zeige, Hamman, Kewell, Collymore, Hyppia, Smicer, Berger, Dudek, Reidle...etc. Some succeeded, some failed of course, but all were big name players when we signed them.
I'm not sure where you are going with all this.
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i agree with your argument but Reidle was nearing the end of his career, Kewell and Collymore both played for lesser teams in the Uk... Hyypia played for a mid table dutch team earing very little. Smicer and Berger were both playing in their native countries. I dont think Houllier lacked that pull factor... but i dont think Rafa's ability to bring the very best to Liverpool can be ignored..
[quote author=gareth_thomas link=topic=40525.msg1126204#msg1126204 date=1277466838]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40525.msg1126184#msg1126184 date=1277463852]
[quote author=localny link=topic=40525.msg1126132#msg1126132 date=1277461454]
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=40525.msg1126127#msg1126127 date=1277461277]
What's all this bollocks abourt him not attracting the right calibre of players about?
If he's winning games thatll take care of itself, he won't be at fulham anymore, he'll be at liverpool football club!
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Doesn't matter. I remember what is was like when we were trying to attract top class players to LFC in the 90's and early 2000's - impossible, all the top players wanted London or Manchester. Then along came Rafa and he made it possible.
[/quote]eh? You mean like Babel, Zeige, Hamman, Kewell, Collymore, Hyppia, Smicer, Berger, Dudek, Reidle...etc. Some succeeded, some failed of course, but all were big name players when we signed them.
I'm not sure where you are going with all this.
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i agree with your argument but Reidle was nearing the end of his career, Kewell and Collymore both played for lesser teams in the Uk... Hyypia played for a mid table dutch team earing very little. Smicer and Berger were both playing in their native countries. I dont think Houllier lacked that pull factor... but i dont think Rafa's ability to bring the very best to Liverpool can be ignored..
[/quote]I don't see how it's any different mate. Mascherano (couldn't get a game at west ham) Torres (playing for a lower league club) Alonso (playing for a lower league club) Reina (ditto) Agger (ditto) I just don't see what's changed!
I'm not saying Rafa didn't aquire some top players, I just feel it wasn't anything new for our club.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40525.msg1126184#msg1126184 date=1277463852]
[quote author=localny link=topic=40525.msg1126132#msg1126132 date=1277461454]
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=40525.msg1126127#msg1126127 date=1277461277]
What's all this bollocks abourt him not attracting the right calibre of players about?
If he's winning games thatll take care of itself, he won't be at fulham anymore, he'll be at liverpool football club!
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Doesn't matter. I remember what is was like when we were trying to attract top class players to LFC in the 90's and early 2000's - impossible, all the top players wanted London or Manchester. Then along came Rafa and he made it possible.
[/quote]eh? You mean like Babel, Zeige, Hamman, Kewell, Collymore, Hyppia, Smicer, Berger, Dudek, Reidle...etc. Some succeeded, some failed of course, but all were big name players when we signed them.
I'm not sure where you are going with all this.
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i agree with your argument but Reidle was nearing the end of his career, Kewell and Collymore both played for lesser teams in the Uk... Hyypia played for a mid table dutch team earing very little. Smicer and Berger were both playing in their native countries. I dont think Houllier lacked that pull factor... but i dont think Rafa's ability to bring the very best to Liverpool can be ignored..
[/quote]I don't see how it's any different mate. Mascherano (couldn't get a game at west ham) Torres (playing for a lower league club) Alonso (playing for a lower league club) Reina (ditto) Agger (ditto) I just don't see what's changed!
I'm not saying Rafa didn't aquire some top players, I just feel it wasn't anything new for our club.
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What's all this bollocks abourt him not attracting the right calibre of players about?
If he's winning games thatll take care of itself, he won't be at fulham anymore, he'll be at liverpool football club!
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Doesn't matter. I remember what is was like when we were trying to attract top class players to LFC in the 90's and early 2000's - impossible, all the top players wanted London or Manchester. Then along came Rafa and he made it possible.
[/quote]eh? You mean like Babel, Zeige, Hamman, Kewell, Collymore, Hyppia, Smicer, Berger, Dudek, Reidle...etc. Some succeeded, some failed of course, but all were big name players when we signed them.
I'm not sure where you are going with all this.
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i agree with your argument but Reidle was nearing the end of his career, Kewell and Collymore both played for lesser teams in the Uk... Hyypia played for a mid table dutch team earing very little. Smicer and Berger were both playing in their native countries. I dont think Houllier lacked that pull factor... but i dont think Rafa's ability to bring the very best to Liverpool can be ignored..
[/quote]I don't see how it's any different mate. Mascherano (couldn't get a game at west ham) Torres (playing for a lower league club) Alonso (playing for a lower league club) Reina (ditto) Agger (ditto) I just don't see what's changed!
I'm not saying Rafa didn't aquire some top players, I just feel it wasn't anything new for our club.
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i think the signing of Torres was a massive step forward... The footballing world has changed significantly in the last 20 years and to sign a young player considered one of the best in the world in his prime is a huge achievement.
When you consider he was getting paid what he wanted... he was playing in one of the best leagues in the world and could pretty much join any of the big clubs in the world.. His signing was significant..
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What's all this bollocks abourt him not attracting the right calibre of players about?
If he's winning games thatll take care of itself, he won't be at fulham anymore, he'll be at liverpool football club!
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Doesn't matter. I remember what is was like when we were trying to attract top class players to LFC in the 90's and early 2000's - impossible, all the top players wanted London or Manchester. Then along came Rafa and he made it possible.
[/quote]eh? You mean like Babel, Zeige, Hamman, Kewell, Collymore, Hyppia, Smicer, Berger, Dudek, Reidle...etc. Some succeeded, some failed of course, but all were big name players when we signed them.
I'm not sure where you are going with all this.
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i agree with your argument but Reidle was nearing the end of his career, Kewell and Collymore both played for lesser teams in the Uk... Hyypia played for a mid table dutch team earing very little. Smicer and Berger were both playing in their native countries. I dont think Houllier lacked that pull factor... but i dont think Rafa's ability to bring the very best to Liverpool can be ignored..
[/quote]I don't see how it's any different mate. Mascherano (couldn't get a game at west ham) Torres (playing for a lower league club) Alonso (playing for a lower league club) Reina (ditto) Agger (ditto) I just don't see what's changed!
I'm not saying Rafa didn't aquire some top players, I just feel it wasn't anything new for our club.
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i think the signing of Torres was a massive step forward... The footballing world has changed significantly in the last 20 years and to sign a young player considered one of the best in the world in his prime is a huge achievement.
When you consider he was getting paid what he wanted... he was playing in one of the best leagues in the world and could pretty much join any of the big clubs in the world.. His signing was significant..
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What's all this bollocks abourt him not attracting the right calibre of players about?
If he's winning games thatll take care of itself, he won't be at fulham anymore, he'll be at liverpool football club!
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Doesn't matter. I remember what is was like when we were trying to attract top class players to LFC in the 90's and early 2000's - impossible, all the top players wanted London or Manchester. Then along came Rafa and he made it possible.
[/quote]eh? You mean like Babel, Zeige, Hamman, Kewell, Collymore, Hyppia, Smicer, Berger, Dudek, Reidle...etc. Some succeeded, some failed of course, but all were big name players when we signed them.
I'm not sure where you are going with all this.
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i agree with your argument but Reidle was nearing the end of his career, Kewell and Collymore both played for lesser teams in the Uk... Hyypia played for a mid table dutch team earing very little. Smicer and Berger were both playing in their native countries. I dont think Houllier lacked that pull factor... but i dont think Rafa's ability to bring the very best to Liverpool can be ignored..
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Well its a tricky one in a way. Under Evans we signed Collymore, who was highly sought after and was a British record at the time I think, and there were also the likes of McAteer, Ince, Scales and Babb - all also big names at the time and wanted by others. I believe Babb (who turned out to be fucking awful in the end of course) was a British record for a defender. That is surely attracting big names isn't it?
Under Houllier we got Heskey, Hamann, Riise, Zeige, Kewell, Le Tallec, Pongolle, Cisse, Babbel, Litmanen, Diouf. Again, all big names or at least players who other clubs would have wanted at the time.
However, looking at those players, many of them weren't great and some were complete failures. To me that begs the question of whether attracting the big names is always that vital.
I think most will agree that Houllier's best signing was Sami Hyypia, but who had heard of him at the time? We don't have money to throw around anymore so if we can get a manager who can find a few bargains (something Benitez couldn't really do) then that's surely a good thing.
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What's all this bollocks abourt him not attracting the right calibre of players about?
If he's winning games thatll take care of itself, he won't be at fulham anymore, he'll be at liverpool football club!
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Doesn't matter. I remember what is was like when we were trying to attract top class players to LFC in the 90's and early 2000's - impossible, all the top players wanted London or Manchester. Then along came Rafa and he made it possible.
[/quote]eh? You mean like Babel, Zeige, Hamman, Kewell, Collymore, Hyppia, Smicer, Berger, Dudek, Reidle...etc. Some succeeded, some failed of course, but all were big name players when we signed them.
I'm not sure where you are going with all this.
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i agree with your argument but Reidle was nearing the end of his career, Kewell and Collymore both played for lesser teams in the Uk... Hyypia played for a mid table dutch team earing very little. Smicer and Berger were both playing in their native countries. I dont think Houllier lacked that pull factor... but i dont think Rafa's ability to bring the very best to Liverpool can be ignored..
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Well its a tricky one in a way. Under Evans we signed Collymore, who was highly sought after and was a British record at the time I think, and there were also the likes of McAteer, Ince, Scales and Babb - all also big names at the time and wanted by others. I believe Babb (who turned out to be fucking awful in the end of course) was a British record for a defender. That is surely attracting big names isn't it?
Under Houllier we got Heskey, Hamann, Riise, Zeige, Kewell, Le Tallec, Pongolle, Cisse, Babbel, Litmanen, Diouf. Again, all big names or at least players who other clubs would have wanted at the time.
However, looking at those players, many of them weren't great and some were complete failures. To me that begs the question of whether attracting the big names is always that vital.
I think most will agree that Houllier's best signing was Sami Hyypia, but who had heard of him at the time? We don't have money to throw around anymore so if we can get a manager who can find a few bargains (something Benitez couldn't really do) then that's surely a good thing.
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What's all this bollocks abourt him not attracting the right calibre of players about?
If he's winning games thatll take care of itself, he won't be at fulham anymore, he'll be at liverpool football club!
Also his ability to talk to in more than enough languages can only be an asset in the modern english game.
I really hope he isn't dicked about in some sort of interim role until the new owners settle in and promptly boot him out next summer if he hasn't won everything going...
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There's every chance that that's exactly what will happen. That's one reason why we should make an interim appointment, which in turn is just one of a number of reasons why it should be Kenny.
What's all this bollocks abourt him not attracting the right calibre of players about?
If he's winning games thatll take care of itself, he won't be at fulham anymore, he'll be at liverpool football club!
Also his ability to talk to in more than enough languages can only be an asset in the modern english game.
I really hope he isn't dicked about in some sort of interim role until the new owners settle in and promptly boot him out next summer if he hasn't won everything going...
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There's every chance that that's exactly what will happen. That's one reason why we should make an interim appointment, which in turn is just one of a number of reasons why it should be Kenny.
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