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[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=40525.msg1126345#msg1126345 date=1277484922]
RAWk gone into meltdown yet?
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The more I see that line, the funnier I think it would be on a t-shirt.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=40525.msg1126347#msg1126347 date=1277485018]
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=40525.msg1126339#msg1126339 date=1277484560]
The appointment of Hodgson will be a masterstroke by the owners and board of managing expectations.

He's a nice man in a lovely blazer with wavy hair and who speaks with a charming inability to pronounce his r's. He'll be diligent, hardworking, empathetic, diplomatic and is worthy of respect and a fair go. Nobody has a bad word to say about him because he really could be your favourite uncle.

Only heartless persons would deny him the opportunity. He'll cuddle, cajole and organise those players left behind from the current squad, he'll even soothe them in their native tongue. He won't mess with 'continental' tactics or rotation or trying players in unorthodox positions because his is a tried and trusted system. He'll be safe, we'll stay 7th and we'll still be able to boast that we are Mersyside's finest.

He'll thank us for the honour of managing this once great club when he's replaced by the new owners and we'll wish him well in his retirement with fondness. We'll say thanks for the comfort blanket Roy now have a happy dotage; there'll be none of that beastly 'Thanks for the CL now fuck off'.

Yes, a steady man doing a steady job. SCM will be electrified by our long runs in the Europa league and the FA Cup and we'll tut tut at those big boys spending obscene amounts on star players. They'll be a warm, fuzzy feeling all round the fields of Anfield Road, the Kop may even break into a Beatles song for fond memories, just like those 60's documentaries.

I hope my unfair sarcasm comes back to bite me and I'll be proved completely wrong. I'm willing to be soothed, surprised and to be told that my expectations were too high.

Bring it on.


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You do a great job of hiding your Rafa love.
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Rafa was rubbish, I've relinquished the love. Hooray for Hodgy, I say.

I've got my mind right, I suggest you do the same. Nasty unreasonable type that you are.
 
[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=40525.msg1126345#msg1126345 date=1277484922]
RAWk gone into meltdown yet?
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No but WAWK has.....
 
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=40525.msg1126339#msg1126339 date=1277484560]
The appointment of Hodgson will be a masterstroke by the owners and board of managing expectations.

He's a nice man in a lovely blazer with wavy hair and who speaks with a charming inability to pronounce his r's. He'll be diligent, hardworking, empathetic, diplomatic and is worthy of respect and a fair go. Nobody has a bad word to say about him because he really could be your favourite uncle.

Only heartless persons would deny him the opportunity. He'll cuddle, cajole and organise those players left behind from the current squad, he'll even soothe them in their native tongue. He won't mess with 'continental' tactics or rotation or trying players in unorthodox positions because his is a tried and trusted system. He'll be safe, we'll stay 7th and we'll still be able to boast that we are Mersyside's finest.

He'll thank us for the honour of managing this once great club when he's replaced by the new owners and we'll wish him well in his retirement with fondness. We'll say thanks for the comfort blanket Roy now have a happy dotage; there'll be none of that beastly 'Thanks for the CL now fuck off'.

Yes, a steady man doing a steady job. SCM will be electrified by our long runs in the Europa league and the FA Cup and we'll tut tut at those big boys spending obscene amounts on star players. They'll be a warm, fuzzy feeling all round the fields of Anfield Road, the Kop may even break into a Beatles song for fond memories, just like those 60's documentaries.

I hope my unfair sarcasm comes back to bite me and I'll be proved completely wrong. I'm willing to be soothed, surprised and to be told that my expectations were too high.

Bring it on.


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Expectations have lowered, yes - but let's not go overboard. Standards of this club have to be kept.

And it's hardly Roy's fault that we're no longer guaranteed CL football. He won't be the result of it. He's already inherited it a side which finished 7th, thanks to no small part by Rafael and the owners. Therefore if he gets us into CL football next year he should be widely applauded. That's where we currently are as a club, IMO.

Finish 7th and he should walk and then his appointment can be classed as a mistake - not before he's even stepped foot in he fucking office.
 
[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=40525.msg1126345#msg1126345 date=1277484922]
RAWk gone into meltdown yet?
[/quote]

I'm purposefully ignoring the place, for fear of seeing it decked out in inter colours with 'RAWK 4 RAFA 4EVA' sprawled over it.
 
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=40525.msg1126339#msg1126339 date=1277484560]
The appointment of Hodgson will be a masterstroke by the owners and board of managing expectations.

He's a nice man in a lovely blazer with wavy hair and who speaks with a charming inability to pronounce his r's. He'll be diligent, hardworking, empathetic, diplomatic and is worthy of respect and a fair go. Nobody has a bad word to say about him because he really could be your favourite uncle.

Only heartless persons would deny him the opportunity. He'll cuddle, cajole and organise those players left behind from the current squad, he'll even soothe them in their native tongue. He won't mess with 'continental' tactics or rotation or trying players in unorthodox positions because his is a tried and trusted system. He'll be safe, we'll stay 7th and we'll still be able to boast that we are Mersyside's finest.

He'll thank us for the honour of managing this once great club when he's replaced by the new owners and we'll wish him well in his retirement with fondness. We'll say thanks for the comfort blanket Roy now have a happy dotage; there'll be none of that beastly 'Thanks for the CL now fuck off'.

Yes, a steady man doing a steady job. SCM will be electrified by our long runs in the Europa league and the FA Cup and we'll tut tut at those big boys spending obscene amounts on star players. They'll be a warm, fuzzy feeling all round the fields of Anfield Road, the Kop may even break into a Beatles song for fond memories, just like those 60's documentaries.

I hope my unfair sarcasm comes back to bite me and I'll be proved completely wrong. I'm willing to be soothed, surprised and to be told that my expectations were too high.

Bring it on.


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I think you flatter yourself, sarcasm is usually clever, that was a witless flow of bilge, I think you need to give it a rest now you are really becoming very irritating

regards
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=40525.msg1126362#msg1126362 date=1277485674]
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=40525.msg1126339#msg1126339 date=1277484560]
The appointment of Hodgson will be a masterstroke by the owners and board of managing expectations.

He's a nice man in a lovely blazer with wavy hair and who speaks with a charming inability to pronounce his r's. He'll be diligent, hardworking, empathetic, diplomatic and is worthy of respect and a fair go. Nobody has a bad word to say about him because he really could be your favourite uncle.

Only heartless persons would deny him the opportunity. He'll cuddle, cajole and organise those players left behind from the current squad, he'll even soothe them in their native tongue. He won't mess with 'continental' tactics or rotation or trying players in unorthodox positions because his is a tried and trusted system. He'll be safe, we'll stay 7th and we'll still be able to boast that we are Mersyside's finest.

He'll thank us for the honour of managing this once great club when he's replaced by the new owners and we'll wish him well in his retirement with fondness. We'll say thanks for the comfort blanket Roy now have a happy dotage; there'll be none of that beastly 'Thanks for the CL now fuck off'.

Yes, a steady man doing a steady job. SCM will be electrified by our long runs in the Europa league and the FA Cup and we'll tut tut at those big boys spending obscene amounts on star players. They'll be a warm, fuzzy feeling all round the fields of Anfield Road, the Kop may even break into a Beatles song for fond memories, just like those 60's documentaries.

I hope my unfair sarcasm comes back to bite me and I'll be proved completely wrong. I'm willing to be soothed, surprised and to be told that my expectations were too high.

Bring it on.


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I think you flatter yourself, sarcasm is usually clever, that was a witless flow of bilge, I think you need to give it a rest now you are really becoming very irritating

regards


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I'm very sorry.
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=40525.msg1126362#msg1126362 date=1277485674]
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=40525.msg1126339#msg1126339 date=1277484560]
The appointment of Hodgson will be a masterstroke by the owners and board of managing expectations.

He's a nice man in a lovely blazer with wavy hair and who speaks with a charming inability to pronounce his r's. He'll be diligent, hardworking, empathetic, diplomatic and is worthy of respect and a fair go. Nobody has a bad word to say about him because he really could be your favourite uncle.

Only heartless persons would deny him the opportunity. He'll cuddle, cajole and organise those players left behind from the current squad, he'll even soothe them in their native tongue. He won't mess with 'continental' tactics or rotation or trying players in unorthodox positions because his is a tried and trusted system. He'll be safe, we'll stay 7th and we'll still be able to boast that we are Mersyside's finest.

He'll thank us for the honour of managing this once great club when he's replaced by the new owners and we'll wish him well in his retirement with fondness. We'll say thanks for the comfort blanket Roy now have a happy dotage; there'll be none of that beastly 'Thanks for the CL now fuck off'.

Yes, a steady man doing a steady job. SCM will be electrified by our long runs in the Europa league and the FA Cup and we'll tut tut at those big boys spending obscene amounts on star players. They'll be a warm, fuzzy feeling all round the fields of Anfield Road, the Kop may even break into a Beatles song for fond memories, just like those 60's documentaries.

I hope my unfair sarcasm comes back to bite me and I'll be proved completely wrong. I'm willing to be soothed, surprised and to be told that my expectations were too high.

Bring it on.


[/quote]

I think you flatter yourself, sarcasm is usually clever, that was a witless flow of bilge, I think you need to give it a rest now you are really becoming very irritating

regards


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I thought it was quite good.
 
Look, we have the circumstances that we have, and as it stands at this very moment Hodgson is a good a choice as we are going to get, that may change tonight tomorrow next week, who knows.
Rafa had to go that was bleeding obvious and there should be no argument over that.
Some of us are trying to make the best of it, and others are acting like a shower of clever snidey cunts


regards
 
[quote author=jason link=topic=40525.msg1126350#msg1126350 date=1277485176]
Our next manager will be Italian.(covers ears sings)

Why wont you listen to me? Crying like a fire in the s--
 
[quote author=jason link=topic=40525.msg1126350#msg1126350 date=1277485176]
Our next manager will be Italian.(covers ears sings)
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Our next Manager may well be able to speak Italian 😉
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=40525.msg1126368#msg1126368 date=1277486125]
Look, we have the circumstances that we have, and as it stands at this very moment Hodgson is a good a choice as we are going to get, that may change tonight tomorrow next week, who knows.
Rafa had to go that was bleeding obvious and there should be no argument over that.
Some of us are trying to make the best of it, and others are acting like a shower of clever snidey cunts


regards
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Vlad, I think it's open to debate that Hodgson is as good a choice as we're going to get given some of the other available names (Dalglish, Pellegrini, Rijkaard etc). Granted, some are acting with a bit more class then others in arguing the point, but it doesn't mean all those questioning the possible appointment of Woy are not getting behind the club.

Just because some are happy enough with Woy, it doesn't mean that the contra opinion reflects badly on others. I wonder how some of those happy with Woy would feel if we'd been hinting at appointing Curbishley (Fulham's reported potential target)? Would they allow themselves to openly question the appointment?

That all said, if Roy Hodgson is confirmed I'll get behind him. Until then I'll voice by discontent with the probable choice over others. I thought Squiggles made an excellent point a couple of posts ago; it's not Woy's fault we've finished 7th and our star players are considering their future, and should he get us into the top 4 he'll be considered a success. Although I'm not in favour of appointing him, I'll back him every step of the way to be successful.
 
I would prefer Kenny to take over at Liverpool however it doesn't seem that this is going to happen. If Roy is appointed then he will certainly help project a more dignified and respectable image of our club again. He knows English football and is unlikely to allow himself to fall out with players and hopefully will pick a balanced side with as many of our best players as possible playing in their best positions.

After just one shit season, we shouldn't be begging certain players to stay. If anyone wants to leave Liverpool then fuck them.
 
[quote author=Wilko link=topic=40525.msg1126392#msg1126392 date=1277490584]
I would prefer Kenny to take over at Liverpool however it doesn't seem that this is going to happen. If Roy is appointed then he will certainly help project a more dignified and respectible image of our club again. He knows English football and is unlikely to allow himself to fall out with players and hopefully will pick a balanced side with as many of our best players as possible playing in their best positions.

After just one shit season, we shouldn't be begging certain players to stay. If anyone wants to leave Liverpool then fuck them.
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Nice post Wilko, but wasn't Roy Evans, Houllier, Moores, and more all nice respectable people? We need more than that...

As for the players, I agree - they did poorly last year, They actually owe the fans one..
 
I personally believe that we need a safe pair of hands. The club has been a shambles from top to bottom recently, so we need a calming presence. Flair doesn't win games, its players developing an understanding with their team mates. Roy has proven he can get dross playing well (bobby zamora) and shown he has an eye for a bargain (hangeland, duff) so ill accept his appointment with open arms
 
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=40525.msg1126437#msg1126437 date=1277493103]
I personally believe that we need a safe pair of hands. The club has been a shambles from top to bottom recently, so we need a calming presence. Flair doesn't win games, its players developing an understanding with their team mates. Roy has proven he can get dross playing well (bobby zamora) and shown he has an eye for a bargain (hangeland, duff) so ill accept his appointment with open arms
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The only problem with that reasoning is that we're not Fulham. Our squad is full of quality players, not dross, requiring a manager proven in getting top quality players winning game after game and challenging for top honours. Secondly, should Woy (as reported) have 15m + the proceeds of Masher/Benayoun/Riera/Babel etc he'd likely have pretty huge (for us) kitty to spend. That's not the same as shopping for bargains and overachieving in finishing top ten. He'd need to be someone well versed in replacing a 30m player with similar quality.

Roy Hodgson is a good manager no doubt, but his recent record is proven at a wholly different club with wholly different expectations. Ditto every job he's had (Inter were not a superpower when he was there).
 
There is no such thing as a safe pair of hands in football, not least when you're taking a gamble on a manager like Hodgson stepping up to the mark.

He is the 'safe' bet in that he won't cost the club that much money to hire (and ultimately release) and the sheer fact that we've been heavily linked with him has lowered expectations, which might alleviate some of the pressure at the club.

In terms of stabilising things on the pitch, it's a tricky one and I'll be very interested to see what approach he takes. We desperately need an influx of quality and all this "oh, we just need to get back to basics and football is a simple game" guff is well.. a load of guff really.

He seems like a decent enough bloke and I'd love for him to succeed, but no-one is really convinced are they. We're all just hoping for the best.
 
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=40525.msg1126373#msg1126373 date=1277487100]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=40525.msg1126368#msg1126368 date=1277486125]
Look, we have the circumstances that we have, and as it stands at this very moment Hodgson is a good a choice as we are going to get, that may change tonight tomorrow next week, who knows.
Rafa had to go that was bleeding obvious and there should be no argument over that.
Some of us are trying to make the best of it, and others are acting like a shower of clever snidey cunts


regards
[/quote]

Vlad, I think it's open to debate that Hodgson is as good a choice as we're going to get given some of the other available names (Dalglish, Pellegrini, Rijkaard etc). Granted, some are acting with a bit more class then others in arguing the point, but it doesn't mean all those questioning the possible appointment of Woy are not getting behind the club.

Just because some are happy enough with Woy, it doesn't mean that the contra opinion reflects badly on others. I wonder how some of those happy with Woy would feel if we'd been hinting at appointing Curbishley (Fulham's reported potential target)? Would they allow themselves to openly question the appointment?

That all said, if Roy Hodgson is confirmed I'll get behind him. Until then I'll voice by discontent with the probable choice over others. I thought Squiggles made an excellent point a couple of posts ago; it's not Woy's fault we've finished 7th and our star players are considering their future, and should he get us into the top 4 he'll be considered a success. Although I'm not in favour of appointing him, I'll back him every step of the way to be successful.
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Excellent post. Resounding nail/head interface.
 
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=40525.msg1126440#msg1126440 date=1277493750]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=40525.msg1126437#msg1126437 date=1277493103]
I personally believe that we need a safe pair of hands. The club has been a shambles from top to bottom recently, so we need a calming presence. Flair doesn't win games, its players developing an understanding with their team mates. Roy has proven he can get dross playing well (bobby zamora) and shown he has an eye for a bargain (hangeland, duff) so ill accept his appointment with open arms
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The only problem with that reasoning is that we're not Fulham. Our squad is full of quality players, not dross, requiring a manager proven in getting top quality players winning game after game and challenging for top honours. Secondly, should Woy (as reported) have 15m + the proceeds of Masher/Benayoun/Riera/Babel etc he'd likely have pretty huge (for us) kitty to spend. That's not the same as shopping for bargains and overachieving in finishing top ten. He'd need to be someone well versed in replacing a 30m player with similar quality.

Roy Hodgson is a good manager no doubt, but his recent record is proven at a wholly different club with wholly different expectations. Ditto every job he's had (Inter were not a superpower when he was there).
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Then why don't some of the players play like that then? We've got a fantastic squad yet few players who seemed to be on song this year. We don't need a divisive manager, we need an arm around the shoulder manager for this coming year. It's so important to bring the team spirit back into the squad.

If he has the transfer funds available, i'd be relatively confident he wouldn't squander most of it on players we don't overly need. He seems like a sensible man so he'll strengthen our weakened areas. If the players turn out poor, so be it. it wouldn't be anything new to us
 
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=40525.msg1126450#msg1126450 date=1277494339]
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=40525.msg1126440#msg1126440 date=1277493750]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=40525.msg1126437#msg1126437 date=1277493103]
I personally believe that we need a safe pair of hands. The club has been a shambles from top to bottom recently, so we need a calming presence. Flair doesn't win games, its players developing an understanding with their team mates. Roy has proven he can get dross playing well (bobby zamora) and shown he has an eye for a bargain (hangeland, duff) so ill accept his appointment with open arms
[/quote]

The only problem with that reasoning is that we're not Fulham. Our squad is full of quality players, not dross, requiring a manager proven in getting top quality players winning game after game and challenging for top honours. Secondly, should Woy (as reported) have 15m + the proceeds of Masher/Benayoun/Riera/Babel etc he'd likely have pretty huge (for us) kitty to spend. That's not the same as shopping for bargains and overachieving in finishing top ten. He'd need to be someone well versed in replacing a 30m player with similar quality.

Roy Hodgson is a good manager no doubt, but his recent record is proven at a wholly different club with wholly different expectations. Ditto every job he's had (Inter were not a superpower when he was there).
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Then why don't some of the players play like that then? We've got a fantastic squad yet few players who seemed to be on song this year. We don't need a divisive manager, we need an arm around the shoulder manager for this coming year. It's so important to bring the team spirit back into the squad.

If he has the transfer funds available, i'd be relatively confident he wouldn't squander most of it on players we don't overly need. He seems like a sensible man so he'll strengthen our weakened areas. If the players turn out poor, so be it. it wouldn't be anything new to us
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They've done pretty well other years to be fair. Last year can be viewed as either an anomaly or symbolic of the end of Rafa's cycle in charge.

I agree to a degree about Hodgson no squandering money and he'd most likely put round pegs in round holes, an improvement on Rafa in that respect. But for me there's a big difference between not squandering money (the expectation at, say, Fulham) and improving a top quality side with the expectation that you'll be challenging at the top table. That's where Hodgson is unproven for me.

If he gets the job, I'd be more than willing to put my faith in him stepping up to the plate. His sheer decency's enough to make anyone wish him well, I just hope (in the absence of any proof) that he's capable of stepping up into a whole new level of management.
 
For me he isn't my number one, however i can see the appeal, and can say i don't expect us to do worse than last year. Which will dooooooooooo me
 
I think it's an exaggeration to say our squad is full of quality players. I would classify the quality players as

Reina
Johnson (arguably)
Mascherano (probably going)
Gerrard
Torres

That's five quality players, far fewer than the clubs we were rivalling for a top four place. It would have been nice to include Carragher but I think he is past his best now.
 
[quote author=Portly link=topic=40525.msg1126468#msg1126468 date=1277495661]
I think it's an exaggeration to say our squad is full of quality players. I would classify the quality players as

Reina
Johnson (arguably)
Mascherano (probably going)
Gerrard
Torres

That's five quality players, far fewer than the clubs we were rivalling for a top four place. It would have been nice to include Carragher but I think he is past his best now.


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You could argue that Carra/Agger/Kuyt/Benayoun could be added to that list.

Moreover I'm not sure even given your list of five that's much fewer than our rivals. Arsenal? Man Utd?
 
[quote author=Portly link=topic=40525.msg1126468#msg1126468 date=1277495661]
I think it's an exaggeration to say our squad is full of quality players. I would classify the quality players as

Reina
Johnson (arguably)
Mascherano (probably going)
Gerrard
Torres

That's five quality players, far fewer than the clubs we were rivalling for a top four place. It would have been nice to include Carragher but I think he is past his best now.


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I'd argue for Agger as quality. Six players is a decent spine. Where we fall down is not having quality subs.
 
I don't think there's anything arguable about Magic's quality and IMO Agger, Skrtel, Maxi and Jovanovic when he arrives also belong on the list. N'Gog has some quality too, provided he's given time to come through at his own pace instead of being hustled into service as Torres' deputy way before being ready for it. Ditto Pacheco, Kelly and other youngsters of whom we'll see more next season.
 
I don't like writing posts slagging off our players, but I don't think you can describe Dirk as a quality player. Brave, yes, courageous, yes, play his heart out for the team, yes. But his general touch and ball skills are certainly not quality.

Agger could turn into a quality centre back but I think he still has a lot to prove. For one thing, he isn't actually that good at heading the ball. Benayoun has creativity but isn't he going to Chelsea?
 
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