• You may have to login or register before you can post and view our exclusive members only forums.
    To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Rafael Benitez: sell Fernando Torres and I will quit Liverpool

Status
Not open for further replies.

El Pistolero

Active
Member
Wonder if there is anything behind this or is it just Benitez being blase as he knows its not going to happen.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/liverpool/article6919543.ece

Rafael Benítez reassured Liverpool supporters last night that he would never sanction the sale of Fernando Torres to pay part of the club’s debt.

Asked whether an offer of £100 million or more would tempt Tom Hicks and George Gillett Jr to sell their superstar striker, the Liverpool manager smiled and said: "It won’t happen. I’d quit."

In a wide-ranging interview with The Times — his first with a British national newspaper — Benítez strenuously defended his record in the transfer market, but admitted that he had taken gambles and made mistakes.

He explained why Alberto Aquilani is a bargain buy, spoke with pride about the transformation he has overseen at Liverpool and talked of his desire to leave a winning legacy at the club.

The former Valencia manager believes that he has overseen huge changes since arriving at Anfield in 2004. "There is a massive difference between five years ago and now," Benítez said. "The name of the club round the world is at the same level as it was in the 1980s. It’s a fantastic achievement. Everybody talks about Liverpool in a good way. And we will get better."

More worrying for Liverpool is that while Benítez underlines his commitment at every opportunity — "I want to leave a winning legacy," he said — Real Madrid may come calling.

The second galáctico era is stalling and Manuel Pellegrini, the Real coach, may be on his way out. Real made a huge offer to Benítez at the beginning of the year — their third — and sources in Madrid say they are preparing another. For the moment, though, Benítez is concentrating on one team.

The Spaniard, 49, signed a new five-year contract in February but has been under pressure this season after a poor start. Liverpool have suffered five defeats in 12 Barclays Premier League matches and are on the verge of elimination from the Champions League. To make matters worse, Torres and Steven Gerrard have suffered groin problems and Aquilani, their big summer signing, has been sidelined through injury, only making his league debut eight days ago.

"People are worried," Benítez said. "But the team will improve. When we have key players on the pitch we are as good as anyone. We have proved this in the past."

Signing Aquilani for £17 million from Roma to replace Xabi Alonso was great business, he insisted. "We can only buy one or two big, £20 million players a year," Benítez said. "If we want to have money available, then we have to sell some players. We have to sell expensive and buy as cheaply as possible.

"Aquilani fit would be £20-30 million. We checked with doctors and they said he would be out one, maybe two months. We have lost some time, but I signed the player for five years, not five weeks. We needed to take the risk."

What will not happen, though, Benítez insisted, is the departure of Torres.

Even with the club’s debts at £245 million, he laughed off the prospect of having to sell him. "I’m confident it will never happen," he said. "If it did, I’d resign."

The relative lack of cash at the club has made risk-taking essential for Liverpool and Benítez admits to making mistakes in the market.

"When we have spent big, normally it’s been very good business," he said. "Torres, Mascherano, Reina, Alonso. Keane is a good player but we had to sell him because he was not playing at the level we knew he could play. Ryan [Babel] was signed for the future and we are waiting for his improvement. He has to be more consistent.

"With the fringe players, we needed to take a gamble on Bosmans and one, two million-pound players. Some of these players have not been good enough for us. It is a risk you have to accept when there is not too much money about."

When Aquilani arrived, Alonso, a crowd favourite, left. In a bitter parting, there were suggestions that the relationship between Benítez and Alonso — who was sold for £20 million profit — had broken down. The manager dismissed the theory.

"He put in a transfer request," Benítez said. "We had a professional and good relationship. Some people say the manager must put his arm around the player’s shoulder. I don’t know too many managers who do this. Some managers here in England don’t even see the training sessions. How can you put your arm around the shoulders of the players if you are not there?"

Benítez’s relationships with the co-owners and Rick Parry, the former chief executive, have sometimes been frosty, but the manager is quick to praise Christian Purslow, Parry’s successor. "Since Christian’s first day I know I’ve had his support, inside and outside the club," he said.

Manager and chief executive may face a difficult transfer window, with the priority being to lower the wage bill. Three or four players may head out of the Anfield exit door, with none of the cash heading back to Benítez, but there will be no civil war behind the scenes. "We are progressing," he said. "I’m happy and want to do the best for this club."
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=37230.msg990097#msg990097 date=1258423239]
Could we pretend to sell him?
[/quote]

Could we pretend that he quit and become the new manager?
 
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=37230.msg990100#msg990100 date=1258424598]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=37230.msg990097#msg990097 date=1258423239]
Could we pretend to sell him?
[/quote]

Could we pretend that he quit and become the new manager?
[/quote]

With all due respect, what are blathering on about now?
 
Anyway, quite telling who Rafa has given interviews with during this bad spell; Tomkins and Barrett - his two biggest supporters in the 'media'.

EDIT: Actually, the Times Journo is Tony Evans, my mistake.
 
Oh, and here's the bulk of the interview by the way. It's the first of a two-part interview, think the rest is released tomorrow...

From The Times November 17, 2009

Rafael Benitez: I can walk through Anfield storm

Tony Evans, Football Editor

November can be grim on Merseyside. It is barely past lunchtime and darkness is falling nearly as heavily as the rain. There is a gloom around Liverpool’s academy in Kirkby that mirrors the state of the club.

The team are seventh in the Barclays Premier League after five defeats in 12 games — they lost just twice last season — and on the verge of an exit from the Champions League. The mood is downbeat.

Enter Rafael Benítez and in an instant the academy staff are bathing in a little Spanish sunshine. Beaming a huge smile, he sweeps out of the rain in a flurry of backslaps, handshakes and hugs. This is no icy analyst. He is relaxed, in casual trousers and a V-necked pullover, and at ease with his world.

The acres of critical newsprint, the hours of Rafa-bashing on the phone-ins, have not shaken his confidence. He sits in an office, with its balcony overlooking the windswept training pitches, like a man secure about his domain.

But football clubs never sit still. They are either moving forwards or sliding backwards. Which direction are Liverpool heading? Benítez is not backwards about coming forward.

“In 2004 the squad was worth, what, £100 million? Now perhaps we have one player worth that,†he says. “The whole squad? Maybe £250 million.

“The club was nearly sold for £85 million five years ago. Now the price is £500 million. We must be doing something right.

“We are much better now than we were three or four years ago in every single thing — in the commercial department, the marketing department, in football.

“The majority of the fans, especially the ones who go to the stadium, realise the team is working and improving, and is better than before. To achieve 86 points in the league last season is part of the progression. The direction of the club is right. But everyone wants to win and we are disappointed when we don’t win any game or any trophy.â€

The poor start to the season has brought a maelstrom of criticism, but Benítez feels that few observers understand the full scale of the job at Anfield.

His tenure in the manager’s chair has been played out against a backdrop of behind-the-scenes turmoil. Financial problems and a lack of support from senior club officials have hampered his efforts. The irony is that the recent blip in form has come during the most stable period of his 5½-year term.

A new five-year contract, signed in February, gave the Spaniard control over the academy and the appointment of Christian Purslow as chief executive in the summer provided backup in the boardroom.

This has not always been the case. Two years ago, George Gillett Jr and Tom Hicks, the owners, approached Jürgen Klinsmann about the possibility of replacing Benítez. Even before that, the manager’s relationship with Rick Parry, the former chief executive, was uneasy. Parry’s conservative nature clashed with Benítez’s aggressive attitude in the transfer market and many of the top targets went unsigned.

“You prepare your list of players and have No 1 target, No 2, then the third one,†Benítez says. “If you lose the first one, normally they’ve signed for another English club. If you lose them to your rivals, it’s worse. Every year you have to work very hard to be ready and sometimes another team gets there first. It is frustrating.â€

That frustration is underlined every time Gareth Barry, Florent Malouda or Nemanja Vidic turn out against Liverpool, but the loss of Aaron Ramsey to Arsenal is particularly galling.

Benítez had agreed a deal to sign the talented young midfield player from Cardiff City for a £1.5m initial fee, with a similar amount to follow, but the transaction stalled at board level before Arsenal came in with a £5m bid.

The emphasis on youthful talent is no surprise. “When I arrived we had a lot of players we needed to change,†Benítez says. “We had to replace these players year on year. The first team were bad and it was the worse for the reserves.

“So we had to buy fringe players and take a gamble. Some of these players have been good and some not good enough for us. It’s a risk you have to accept when you have not got too much money available. The problem started at the academy. We weren’t producing players.â€

The production line that served up Robbie Fowler, Steve McManaman, Michael Owen, Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carragher had ground to a halt. Steve Heighway, the academy director, was replaced by Frank McParland and Benítez took a hands-on role.

“This is the first year of my second five years and the first time I can have some influence in the academy,†he says. “We are trying to build something and leave a legacy for the future.

“When we talk about the young players we’ve brought in, the cost for them is about £5m. Players like Gulacsi, Pacheco, Ayala, Ngog, Insúa. The value of Insúa in the marketplace now would pay for all the signing of the young players in the last five years. We had to build foundations so we can win in the future.†The shortage of young Scousers coming through the ranks aggravates the manager, however.

“I want to see the academy producing local players,†Benítez says. “We didn’t produce too many so we had to look elsewhere to be able to find the new generation of players that will be at the heart of the team and the club. We need local players.â€

A shrew move was to bring back Kenny Dalglish to assist at Kirkby. The iconic former player and manager is performing a number of roles and the manager is delighted to have him involved. “He was a good signing, no?†Benítez says with a twinkle.

“He is someone who knows the club, has a very good mentality and is strong enough mentally to defend the club as an ambassador. With his role in the academy, he attracts players.â€

But Benítez knows how important it is to start winning soon. Will his team bounce back and earn a Champions League place at the end of the season? “I have a lot of confidence we will finish in the top four,†he says. “But my target is the next game. It is easier for me to give confidence to the players if we get three points against Manchester City [on Saturday].â€

Benítez is notorious for his long working hours and attention to detail, so how does he cope with defeat? “When you lose or draw you go home disappointed,†he says. “But you can’t get too low because it is important to me to go to Melwood, be strong and pick up the players.

“I have a lot of confidence and that gets bigger when I talk to fans. They say, ‘Keep going, keep smiling’. Can we be better? Yes. We will be better.â€

And then he is ready to go. In the foyer, one of the boys’ teams are coming in from the rain. They hold back a little, nervous to approach the boss, but he beckons them over, asking the name of each.

One is from Brazil and Benítez addresses him in Portuguese and begins a conversation about the beach in Rio. The boys all laugh and the mood is lifted. It’s a knack Benítez has. Imagine how much fun everyone will have when his side start winning.
 
Who reads that article and thinks "I wonder whether there is something going on behind the scenes about Torres".

It's so sad that a newspaper has the opportunity to interview him and thinks, well, we could ask some interesting thoughtful questions, but lets ask stupid ones which we know the answers to already, then crudely fashion misleading headlines from them.
 
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=37230.msg990108#msg990108 date=1258426042]
. . . well, we could ask some interesting thoughtful questions, but lets ask stupid ones which we know the answers to already, then crudely fashion misleading headlines from them.

[/quote]

Exactly describes about 80 percent of the threads Oncy creates in 6CM
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37230.msg990107#msg990107 date=1258425960]
Oh, and here's the bulk of the interview by the way. It's the first of a two-part interview, think the rest is released tomorrow...
[/quote]

Ah, to be fair, that's a bit more interesting.

I've said it before, I'm one of the few who likes Rafa, and the article is quite sympathetic, but I don't think he can count on a smile, a twinkle of the eye, and a high profile win or two. What happened this summer was disgraceful as far as I'm concerned, but contributing factors or not, Rafa doesn't have close to a bottomless well of good faith, in fact at ties this season we've started to be able to see the bottom.

[quote author=Dirty Sanchez link=topic=37230.msg990118#msg990118 date=1258431250]
Exactly describes about 80 percent of the threads Oncy creates in 6CM
[/quote]

It does?
 
[quote author=Dirty Sanchez link=topic=37230.msg990118#msg990118 date=1258431250]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=37230.msg990108#msg990108 date=1258426042]
. . . well, we could ask some interesting thoughtful questions, but lets ask stupid ones which we know the answers to already, then crudely fashion misleading headlines from them.

[/quote]

Exactly describes about 80 percent of the threads Oncy creates in 6CM
[/quote]

OoooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOoooooooooooohhh....

Have you posted on here before under a different username Mr Sanchez?
 
In fairness with the debt floating around and the fact that Torres is that good I'm surpised this sort of thing isn't in the rags everyday.

Man city could offer 100M for him. And that would be almost impossible to turn down.

How much money is to much to turn down for Torres?

Rafa will not quit no matter what.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37230.msg990122#msg990122 date=1258431568]
Have you posted on here before under a different username Mr Sanchez?
[/quote]

Isn't it Sr. Sanchez?
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37230.msg990122#msg990122 date=1258431568]
[quote author=Dirty Sanchez link=topic=37230.msg990118#msg990118 date=1258431250]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=37230.msg990108#msg990108 date=1258426042]
. . . well, we could ask some interesting thoughtful questions, but lets ask stupid ones which we know the answers to already, then crudely fashion misleading headlines from them.

[/quote]

Exactly describes about 80 percent of the threads Oncy creates in 6CM
[/quote]

OoooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOoooooooooooohhh....

Have you posted on here before under a different username Mr Sanchez?
[/quote]

No. I have been avidly reading this forum since the end of last season though and have only just got up the cojones to post.
In all fairness, you, Oncey and gkmacca are 6CM superstars IMO.
 
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=37230.msg990125#msg990125 date=1258432093]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37230.msg990122#msg990122 date=1258431568]
Have you posted on here before under a different username Mr Sanchez?
[/quote]

Isn't it Sr. Sanchez?
[/quote]

Cos 'dirty's a fucking Mexican name is it?
 
[quote author=Dirty Sanchez link=topic=37230.msg990126#msg990126 date=1258432237]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37230.msg990122#msg990122 date=1258431568]
[quote author=Dirty Sanchez link=topic=37230.msg990118#msg990118 date=1258431250]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=37230.msg990108#msg990108 date=1258426042]
. . . well, we could ask some interesting thoughtful questions, but lets ask stupid ones which we know the answers to already, then crudely fashion misleading headlines from them.

[/quote]

Exactly describes about 80 percent of the threads Oncy creates in 6CM
[/quote]

OoooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOoooooooooooohhh....

Have you posted on here before under a different username Mr Sanchez?
[/quote]

No. I have been avidly reading this forum since the end of last season though and have only just got up the cojones to post.
In all fairness, you, Oncey and gkmacca are 6CM superstars IMO.
[/quote]

Well you're either a reincarnation of somebody from the days of yore, or someone who's decided the best way to gain attention is to slag the site's most recognisable figure early doors.

Neither are that attractive really.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37230.msg990129#msg990129 date=1258432485]
[quote author=Dirty Sanchez link=topic=37230.msg990126#msg990126 date=1258432237]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37230.msg990122#msg990122 date=1258431568]
[quote author=Dirty Sanchez link=topic=37230.msg990118#msg990118 date=1258431250]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=37230.msg990108#msg990108 date=1258426042]
. . . well, we could ask some interesting thoughtful questions, but lets ask stupid ones which we know the answers to already, then crudely fashion misleading headlines from them.

[/quote]

Exactly describes about 80 percent of the threads Oncy creates in 6CM
[/quote]

OoooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOoooooooooooohhh....

Have you posted on here before under a different username Mr Sanchez?
[/quote]

No. I have been avidly reading this forum since the end of last season though and have only just got up the cojones to post.
In all fairness, you, Oncey and gkmacca are 6CM superstars IMO.
[/quote]

Well you're either a reincarnation of somebody from the days of yore, or someone who's decided the best way to gain attention is to slag the site's most recognisable figure early doors.

Neither are that attractive really.
[/quote]

You take a compliment like a champion sir.
Why so defensive and grumpy? Just a wanton, tongue-in-cheek jest amidst a cruel, cruel world.
I am certainly not a 'reincarnation of somebody from the days of yore', and as a matter of fact think that you'd probably find me very attractive actually.
 
[quote author=Dirty Sanchez link=topic=37230.msg990134#msg990134 date=1258433330]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37230.msg990129#msg990129 date=1258432485]
[quote author=Dirty Sanchez link=topic=37230.msg990126#msg990126 date=1258432237]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37230.msg990122#msg990122 date=1258431568]
[quote author=Dirty Sanchez link=topic=37230.msg990118#msg990118 date=1258431250]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=37230.msg990108#msg990108 date=1258426042]
. . . well, we could ask some interesting thoughtful questions, but lets ask stupid ones which we know the answers to already, then crudely fashion misleading headlines from them.

[/quote]

Exactly describes about 80 percent of the threads Oncy creates in 6CM
[/quote]

OoooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOoooooooooooohhh....

Have you posted on here before under a different username Mr Sanchez?
[/quote]

No. I have been avidly reading this forum since the end of last season though and have only just got up the cojones to post.
In all fairness, you, Oncey and gkmacca are 6CM superstars IMO.
[/quote]

Well you're either a reincarnation of somebody from the days of yore, or someone who's decided the best way to gain attention is to slag the site's most recognisable figure early doors.

Neither are that attractive really.
[/quote]

You take a compliment like a champion sir.
Why so defensive and grumpy? Just a wanton, tongue-in-cheek jest amidst a cruel, cruel world.
I am certainly not a 'reincarnation of somebody from the days of yore', and as a matter of fact think that you'd probably find me very attractive actually.

[/quote]

Meh, I'm bored and trying to amuse myself.

Welcome to the site Dirty.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37230.msg990136#msg990136 date=1258433508]
[quote author=Dirty Sanchez link=topic=37230.msg990134#msg990134 date=1258433330]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37230.msg990129#msg990129 date=1258432485]
[quote author=Dirty Sanchez link=topic=37230.msg990126#msg990126 date=1258432237]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37230.msg990122#msg990122 date=1258431568]
[quote author=Dirty Sanchez link=topic=37230.msg990118#msg990118 date=1258431250]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=37230.msg990108#msg990108 date=1258426042]
. . . well, we could ask some interesting thoughtful questions, but lets ask stupid ones which we know the answers to already, then crudely fashion misleading headlines from them.

[/quote]

Exactly describes about 80 percent of the threads Oncy creates in 6CM
[/quote]

OoooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOoooooooooooohhh....

Have you posted on here before under a different username Mr Sanchez?
[/quote]

No. I have been avidly reading this forum since the end of last season though and have only just got up the cojones to post.
In all fairness, you, Oncey and gkmacca are 6CM superstars IMO.
[/quote]

Well you're either a reincarnation of somebody from the days of yore, or someone who's decided the best way to gain attention is to slag the site's most recognisable figure early doors.

Neither are that attractive really.
[/quote]

You take a compliment like a champion sir.
Why so defensive and grumpy? Just a wanton, tongue-in-cheek jest amidst a cruel, cruel world.
I am certainly not a 'reincarnation of somebody from the days of yore', and as a matter of fact think that you'd probably find me very attractive actually.

[/quote]

Meh, I'm bored and trying to amuse myself.

Welcome to the site Dirty.
[/quote]

*Doffs cap*

Muchas gracias amigo.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37230.msg990128#msg990128 date=1258432391]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=37230.msg990125#msg990125 date=1258432093]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37230.msg990122#msg990122 date=1258431568]
Have you posted on here before under a different username Mr Sanchez?
[/quote]

Isn't it Sr. Sanchez?
[/quote]

Cos 'dirty's a fucking Mexican name is it?
[/quote]

It is in the context of poo mustaches!
 
Dirty Sanchez is a regular on The Liverpool Way and has always seemed quite sound, so he has my valuable (and rare) seal of approval
 
The last paragraph of that article is a bit worrying: we're going to sell 3 or 4 fringe players in January, and not replace them? Fucking hell, our squad is already paper-thin.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=37230.msg990169#msg990169 date=1258444574]
The last paragraph of that article is a bit worrying: we're going to sell 3 or 4 fringe players in January, and not replace them? Fucking hell, our squad is already paper-thin.
[/quote]

I don't know, I think we could quite happily lose Dossena, Voronin and Degen in January and not miss them. Even in this injury crisis we've not called on them (or not been able to).
 
"with the priority being to lower the wage bill. Three or four players may head out of the Anfield exit door, with none of the cash heading back to Benítez"

that was the bit which i found the most interesting....
 
and there you have it in black and white, alonso handed in a transfer request. so do people still think rafa should have attempted to hold onto the player? whatever happened to 'if you don't want to play for liverpool you can fuck off'?
 
[quote author=Dirty Sanchez link=topic=37230.msg990137#msg990137 date=1258433878]
[, then crudely fashion misleading headlines from them.[/b]
Welcome to the site Dirty.
[/quote]

*Doffs cap*

Muchas gracias amigo.
[/quote]

Yes, welcome Senor Sanchez!
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom