Rafa - Liverpool sold Torres on the cheap
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If Moyes goes, Everton could do a lot worse than getting Rafa in, since his family are settled in the area. The Bluenoses would not like it one bit though!
Torres is not the player he was when values at 70 million. 18 months of on off injuries and not trying his hardest has seen to that. the fucking cunt.
Torres is not the player he was when values at 70 million. 18 months of on off injuries and not trying his hardest has seen to that. the fucking cunt.
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I really think people are getting overly excited over very little here
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sunny, you have to understand that some people liked and still like rafa. if someone comes out with 'oh, he was paid off for doing fuck all' they MUST know this is going to wind up some people who wont sit idle by and let such comments pass with impunity.
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He was paid off because he was sacked. He was sacked because he had been doing his job badly for a couple of years.
It wasn't money he earned or deserved. It was simply money he was contractually entitled to because he bumfucked Hicks and Gillett (and the club) in contract talks by using the vocal support he had from people like you.
So what I'm saying is, it's your fault Babel was sold. 😉
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Would the 'couple of years' include the season we came runners up in the league losing two games all season?
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Yes. We should have won the league that season.
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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=44039.msg1278187#msg1278187 date=1296834038]
I really think people are getting overly excited over very little here
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sunny, you have to understand that some people liked and still like rafa. if someone comes out with 'oh, he was paid off for doing fuck all' they MUST know this is going to wind up some people who wont sit idle by and let such comments pass with impunity.
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He was paid off because he was sacked. He was sacked because he had been doing his job badly for a couple of years.
It wasn't money he earned or deserved. It was simply money he was contractually entitled to because he bumfucked Hicks and Gillett (and the club) in contract talks by using the vocal support he had from people like you.
So what I'm saying is, it's your fault Babel was sold. 😉
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Would the 'couple of years' include the season we came runners up in the league losing two games all season?
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Yes. We should have won the league that season.
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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=44039.msg1278187#msg1278187 date=1296834038]
I really think people are getting overly excited over very little here
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sunny, you have to understand that some people liked and still like rafa. if someone comes out with 'oh, he was paid off for doing fuck all' they MUST know this is going to wind up some people who wont sit idle by and let such comments pass with impunity.
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He was paid off because he was sacked. He was sacked because he had been doing his job badly for a couple of years.
It wasn't money he earned or deserved. It was simply money he was contractually entitled to because he bumfucked Hicks and Gillett (and the club) in contract talks by using the vocal support he had from people like you.
So what I'm saying is, it's your fault Babel was sold. 😉
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Would the 'couple of years' include the season we came runners up in the league losing two games all season?
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Yes. We should have won the league that season.
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Expectations created by his remarkable success with the club.
This "we should have won the league" thing is just the most ahistorical sentiment ever. If only he'd have been in charge, and brought us to that point, and yet not been him, but a slightly better version of him, we'd have, I don't know, done slightly better. What the fuck does it really mean?
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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=44039.msg1278187#msg1278187 date=1296834038]
I really think people are getting overly excited over very little here
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sunny, you have to understand that some people liked and still like rafa. if someone comes out with 'oh, he was paid off for doing fuck all' they MUST know this is going to wind up some people who wont sit idle by and let such comments pass with impunity.
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He was paid off because he was sacked. He was sacked because he had been doing his job badly for a couple of years.
It wasn't money he earned or deserved. It was simply money he was contractually entitled to because he bumfucked Hicks and Gillett (and the club) in contract talks by using the vocal support he had from people like you.
So what I'm saying is, it's your fault Babel was sold. 😉
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Would the 'couple of years' include the season we came runners up in the league losing two games all season?
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Yes. We should have won the league that season.
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Expectations created by his remarkable success with the club.
This "we should have won the league" thing is just the most ahistorical sentiment ever. If only he'd have been in charge, and brought us to that point, and yet not been him, but a slightly better version of him, we'd have, I don't know, done slightly better. What the fuck does it really mean?
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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=44039.msg1278187#msg1278187 date=1296834038]
I really think people are getting overly excited over very little here
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sunny, you have to understand that some people liked and still like rafa. if someone comes out with 'oh, he was paid off for doing fuck all' they MUST know this is going to wind up some people who wont sit idle by and let such comments pass with impunity.
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He was paid off because he was sacked. He was sacked because he had been doing his job badly for a couple of years.
It wasn't money he earned or deserved. It was simply money he was contractually entitled to because he bumfucked Hicks and Gillett (and the club) in contract talks by using the vocal support he had from people like you.
So what I'm saying is, it's your fault Babel was sold. 😉
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Would the 'couple of years' include the season we came runners up in the league losing two games all season?
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Yes. We should have won the league that season.
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Expectations created by his remarkable success with the club.
This "we should have won the league" thing is just the most ahistorical sentiment ever. If only he'd have been in charge, and brought us to that point, and yet not been him, but a slightly better version of him, we'd have, I don't know, done slightly better. What the fuck does it really mean?
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i think he means that normally such a high points tally would have done the job
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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=44039.msg1278187#msg1278187 date=1296834038]
I really think people are getting overly excited over very little here
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sunny, you have to understand that some people liked and still like rafa. if someone comes out with 'oh, he was paid off for doing fuck all' they MUST know this is going to wind up some people who wont sit idle by and let such comments pass with impunity.
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He was paid off because he was sacked. He was sacked because he had been doing his job badly for a couple of years.
It wasn't money he earned or deserved. It was simply money he was contractually entitled to because he bumfucked Hicks and Gillett (and the club) in contract talks by using the vocal support he had from people like you.
So what I'm saying is, it's your fault Babel was sold. 😉
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Would the 'couple of years' include the season we came runners up in the league losing two games all season?
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Yes. We should have won the league that season.
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Expectations created by his remarkable success with the club.
This "we should have won the league" thing is just the most ahistorical sentiment ever. If only he'd have been in charge, and brought us to that point, and yet not been him, but a slightly better version of him, we'd have, I don't know, done slightly better. What the fuck does it really mean?
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i think he means that normally such a high points tally would have done the job
Of course he does (and he's right BTW). No need to do an in-depth textual deconstruction on it.
I'm not sure he did. Certainly when I say we should've won the league that year, it's got nothing to do with what that points tally normally would've won us and everything to do with the fact that we bottled it.
And ironically in trying to ridicule the idea, Fark has actually nailed the point... yes, yes we did want a slightly better version of Rafa. Many of the frustrations with Rafa during his time here came from the recognition that he was a very good manager, but one who had certain facets of his personality and management that might end up preventing him from being a great one.
And ironically in trying to ridicule the idea, Fark has actually nailed the point... yes, yes we did want a slightly better version of Rafa. Many of the frustrations with Rafa during his time here came from the recognition that he was a very good manager, but one who had certain facets of his personality and management that might end up preventing him from being a great one.
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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=44039.msg1278187#msg1278187 date=1296834038]
I really think people are getting overly excited over very little here
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sunny, you have to understand that some people liked and still like rafa. if someone comes out with 'oh, he was paid off for doing fuck all' they MUST know this is going to wind up some people who wont sit idle by and let such comments pass with impunity.
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He was paid off because he was sacked. He was sacked because he had been doing his job badly for a couple of years.
It wasn't money he earned or deserved. It was simply money he was contractually entitled to because he bumfucked Hicks and Gillett (and the club) in contract talks by using the vocal support he had from people like you.
So what I'm saying is, it's your fault Babel was sold. 😉
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Would the 'couple of years' include the season we came runners up in the league losing two games all season?
[/quote]
Yes. We should have won the league that season.
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Expectations created by his remarkable success with the club.
This "we should have won the league" thing is just the most ahistorical sentiment ever. If only he'd have been in charge, and brought us to that point, and yet not been him, but a slightly better version of him, we'd have, I don't know, done slightly better. What the fuck does it really mean?
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i think he means that normally such a high points tally would have done the job
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No, that's not what he means.
He means exactly what Fark is saying, even if Fark didnt really sy it.
Keni has it nailed.
So close but so far.
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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=44039.msg1278187#msg1278187 date=1296834038]
I really think people are getting overly excited over very little here
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sunny, you have to understand that some people liked and still like rafa. if someone comes out with 'oh, he was paid off for doing fuck all' they MUST know this is going to wind up some people who wont sit idle by and let such comments pass with impunity.
[/quote]
He was paid off because he was sacked. He was sacked because he had been doing his job badly for a couple of years.
It wasn't money he earned or deserved. It was simply money he was contractually entitled to because he bumfucked Hicks and Gillett (and the club) in contract talks by using the vocal support he had from people like you.
So what I'm saying is, it's your fault Babel was sold. 😉
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Would the 'couple of years' include the season we came runners up in the league losing two games all season?
[/quote]
Yes. We should have won the league that season.
[/quote]
Expectations created by his remarkable success with the club.
This "we should have won the league" thing is just the most ahistorical sentiment ever. If only he'd have been in charge, and brought us to that point, and yet not been him, but a slightly better version of him, we'd have, I don't know, done slightly better. What the fuck does it really mean?
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i think he means that normally such a high points tally would have done the job
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No, that's not what he means.
He means exactly what Fark is saying, even if Fark didnt really sy it.
Keni has it nailed.
So close but so far.
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I'm not sure he did. Certainly when I say we should've won the league that year, it's got nothing to do with what that points tally normally would've won us and everything to do with the fact that we bottled it.
And ironically in trying to ridicule the idea, Fark has actually nailed the point... yes, yes we did want a slightly better version of Rafa. Many of the frustrations with Rafa during his time here came from the recognition that he was a very good manager, but one who had certain facets of his personality and management that might end up preventing him from being a great one.
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He was a good coach, but a shite manager.
I dread to think what would have happened if he had been in charge when we sold Torres last month.
I'm not sure he did. Certainly when I say we should've won the league that year, it's got nothing to do with what that points tally normally would've won us and everything to do with the fact that we bottled it.
And ironically in trying to ridicule the idea, Fark has actually nailed the point... yes, yes we did want a slightly better version of Rafa. Many of the frustrations with Rafa during his time here came from the recognition that he was a very good manager, but one who had certain facets of his personality and management that might end up preventing him from being a great one.
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He was a good coach, but a shite manager.
I dread to think what would have happened if he had been in charge when we sold Torres last month.
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"I never kissed the badge. Never".
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I'm not sure he did. Certainly when I say we should've won the league that year, it's got nothing to do with what that points tally normally would've won us and everything to do with the fact that we bottled it.
And ironically in trying to ridicule the idea, Fark has actually nailed the point... yes, yes we did want a slightly better version of Rafa. Many of the frustrations with Rafa during his time here came from the recognition that he was a very good manager, but one who had certain facets of his personality and management that might end up preventing him from being a great one.
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He was a good coach, but a shite manager.
I dread to think what would have happened if he had been in charge when we sold Torres last month.
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He was a good manager with major inbuilt flaws which ultimately derailed him.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=44039.msg1278605#msg1278605 date=1296899413]
I'm not sure he did. Certainly when I say we should've won the league that year, it's got nothing to do with what that points tally normally would've won us and everything to do with the fact that we bottled it.
And ironically in trying to ridicule the idea, Fark has actually nailed the point... yes, yes we did want a slightly better version of Rafa. Many of the frustrations with Rafa during his time here came from the recognition that he was a very good manager, but one who had certain facets of his personality and management that might end up preventing him from being a great one.
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He was a good coach, but a shite manager.
I dread to think what would have happened if he had been in charge when we sold Torres last month.
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He was a good manager with major inbuilt flaws which ultimately derailed him.
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"I never kissed the badge. Never".
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he did not have sexual relations with that badge
"I never kissed the badge. Never".
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he did not have sexual relations with that badge
I don't think we let him go too cheap at all.
I will tell you who we did let go too cheap and that was fucking Mascherano, and the writing was on the wall for that prior to Rafa going.
regards
I will tell you who we did let go too cheap and that was fucking Mascherano, and the writing was on the wall for that prior to Rafa going.
regards
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"I never kissed the badge. Never".
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he did not have sexual relations with that badge
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Hahaha
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"I never kissed the badge. Never".
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he did not have sexual relations with that badge
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Hahaha
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I don't think we let him go too cheap at all.
I will tell you who we did let go too cheap and that was fucking Mascherano, and the writing was on the wall for that prior to Rafa going.
regards
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Yeah but that was before he lost his perspective on value and the fiat system
I don't think we let him go too cheap at all.
I will tell you who we did let go too cheap and that was fucking Mascherano, and the writing was on the wall for that prior to Rafa going.
regards
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Yeah but that was before he lost his perspective on value and the fiat system
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Squiggles
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Torres is injured too much to command a fee similar to that of Ronaldo.
He also needs a team setting up around him to shine and that can be problematic. I think £50M was a more than fair market price.
Although if we were offered £70M I'm pissed we didn't accept it.
He also needs a team setting up around him to shine and that can be problematic. I think £50M was a more than fair market price.
Although if we were offered £70M I'm pissed we didn't accept it.
Here's the interview for anyone that missed it.
I still love Rafa. Call me whatever ya want. I respect the man, but the best point ever on this board about ROFFA was made in this thread. Very very good manager, but we all knew he could have been a great but for some of his own flaws.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/football_focus/9388817.stm
I still love Rafa. Call me whatever ya want. I respect the man, but the best point ever on this board about ROFFA was made in this thread. Very very good manager, but we all knew he could have been a great but for some of his own flaws.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/football_focus/9388817.stm
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Bin-Meister, whats the source?
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Here, mate: http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/227419
(P.S. Pls don't shoot the messenger. 😛)
Bin-Meister, whats the source?
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Here, mate: http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/227419
(P.S. Pls don't shoot the messenger. 😛)
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Bin-Meister, whats the source?
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Here, mate: http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/227419
(P.S. Pls don't shoot the messenger. 😛)
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Not at all. You command too much respect 😉
If anything Rafa was trying to portray himself as an insider, and also convey he'd love to comeback... but wouldn't see it as mischief making. Good interview though. Nice to hear him speak..been a while. "Torres is a nice boy"...
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Bin-Meister, whats the source?
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Here, mate: http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/227419
(P.S. Pls don't shoot the messenger. 😛)
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Not at all. You command too much respect 😉
If anything Rafa was trying to portray himself as an insider, and also convey he'd love to comeback... but wouldn't see it as mischief making. Good interview though. Nice to hear him speak..been a while. "Torres is a nice boy"...
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Bin-Meister, whats the source?
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Here, mate: http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/227419
(P.S. Pls don't shoot the messenger. 😛)
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Not at all. You command too much respect 😉
If anything Rafa was trying to portray himself as an insider, and also convey he'd love to comeback... but wouldn't see it as mischief making. Good interview though. Nice to hear him speak..been a while. "Torres is a nice boy"...
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That's exactly what it is, and for the reasons you've described.
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Bin-Meister, whats the source?
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Here, mate: http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/227419
(P.S. Pls don't shoot the messenger. 😛)
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Not at all. You command too much respect 😉
If anything Rafa was trying to portray himself as an insider, and also convey he'd love to comeback... but wouldn't see it as mischief making. Good interview though. Nice to hear him speak..been a while. "Torres is a nice boy"...
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That's exactly what it is, and for the reasons you've described.
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