I'm so bunged up and nasal, I could have done a pretty good job on my own.
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I'm so bunged up and nasal, I could have done a pretty good job on my own.
Yes fair play to him, he was excellent. He really seems to have upped his game and looked much better since he was dropped, he has obviously been working on the football side of the game and now doesn't look as if there is a force field around the six yard box preventing him from leaving it.
We set up perfectly? Is that why Ming was our MOTM? They sliced us open on more than one occasion.
Set up perfectly me arse.
He was caught on his heels on two occasions even if he was played into trouble in each case. Nevertheless, he was excellent.
He should have ended it with "that was liquid football".
A lot of unnecessary critism in this thread. Apart from a few isolated mistakes I thought we did really well at Old Trafford. Ok, conceding so late was bitter but overall it was a good performance against a strong United team that we made look very average. I honestly can't single out 1 player that was shite for us.
As for Firmino, Brendan is talking bollocks. He worked his arse off. Ok, he missed a great chance, but that's life. They missed some great chances too. Other than that I thought Firmino was fantastic yesterday. A couple of people are trying to defend Brendan by saying he's entitled to an opinion. That's true of course, but when you have an agenda against a certain player, but you don't have the decency to give him credit where credit is due, then your opinion means fuck all.
As for Firmino, Brendan is talking bollocks. He worked his arse off. Ok, he missed a great chance, but that's life. They missed some great chances too. Other than that I thought Firmino was fantastic yesterday. A couple of people are trying to defend Brendan by saying he's entitled to an opinion. That's true of course, but when you have an agenda against a certain player, but you don't have the decency to give him credit where credit is due, then your opinion means fuck all.
"Fantastic"? Wow, that's the thing with opinions. They are so delightfully varied.
I rather suspect the truth is somewhere in between "fantastic" and "mediocre"
They had 3 shots on target and 8 in total. Think you have to be happy with that away to Utd.
We had 4 shots on target and 11 in total.
Because we were playing with a 18 year old right back and we were missing our first choice centre back as well as two of our best attackers, it isn't rocket science, we'd have won that game if Wijnaldum or Firmino was more clinical.
Like I said, we all have opinions. I couldn't give a flying fuck that you don't like him. It's just that you won't give credit where credit is due.
And for the record, I'm not exactly a fan of his either. He lacks consistency. He still has a long way to go. But Ray fucking Charles could see what he added to the team yesterday.
Ming did what a goalkeeper is supposed to do; he made saves.
I thought Firmino played well and was a big upgrade on Origi once put up top.
And that's it in a nutshell for me re Firmino. For me, he's by far the most suited current striker we have for Klopp's plans, light years ahead of both Sturridge and Origi in implementing our most successful style under Klopp. I much more confident about our high press with him on the pitch.
I do see how Brendan and others are much less positive about him, as he's not your archetypal finisher and all round striker (and we're still reeling from losing a brilliant one in Suarez, and before him, Torres), but he's a real favourite of mine as we simply play much better with him in the striker position than not. Of course, I'd still be made up if we were to sign the next Suarez and we'd improve markedly for having a Firmino + more pace/clinical finishing on the books.
No need to polarise this (or posters with opinions on the matter), none at all.
And that's it in a nutshell for me re Firmino. For me, he's by far the most suited current striker we have for Klopp's plans, light years ahead of both Sturridge and Origi in implementing our most successful style under Klopp. I much more confident about our high press with him on the pitch.
I do see how Brendan and others are much less positive about him, as he's not your archetypal finisher and all round striker (and we're still reeling from losing a brilliant one in Suarez, and before him, Torres), but he's a real favourite of mine as we simply play much better with him in the striker position than not. Of course, I'd still be made up if we were to sign the next Suarez and we'd improve markedly for having a Firmino + more pace/clinical finishing on the books.
No need to polarise this (or posters with opinions on the matter), none at all.
Wijnaldum's a strange one isn't he?
Can't work out whether he's a vital cog in the machine, or utterly meaningless. He gets himself into great positions, but his finishing is so, so weak.
Can't work out whether he's a vital cog in the machine, or utterly meaningless. He gets himself into great positions, but his finishing is so, so weak.
What an excellent, sensible, accurate and fair post.
Firmino makes Mane's presence so much more crucial. With a player like Firmino playing as the striker, you need goals from wide areas to make the 4-3-3 work.
Realistically this player doesn't actually exist. And if he did, he wouldn't be coming to Liverpool.
I personally don't see the issue as we don't have a problem scoring goals. If we did, though, I could then see why people would have an issue with our supposed number 9 not scoring more. But we don't set up or play like that.
His bandy legs trundling around the pitch always make me laugh.
He is a bit strange, he flits in and out sometimes, and there are times when his influence is minimal, but covers a lot of ground and his use of the ball is technically sound and pleasingly economical.
Certainly he doesn't create or score enough (two goals and two assists is a disappointing total so far) so he can't play in an advanced role, but he is proving a useful signing.
Yes, so true.
Indeed. And we get them.
I suppose it's a little unrealistic to hang around for the next Suarez, but the idea that Firmino is the best we can possibly get, or can't be improved on, is utterly moronic.
I think we all agree that next summer is quite an important one re the striker situation.
We definitely need to replace Sturridge and find a striker that can do a similar job to Firmino with pressing but can add more goals to the side. There is obviously room for Firmino, Origi and a new striker.
If Inter decide to sell Icardi we should be all over that.
We definitely need to replace Sturridge and find a striker that can do a similar job to Firmino with pressing but can add more goals to the side. There is obviously room for Firmino, Origi and a new striker.
If Inter decide to sell Icardi we should be all over that.
I'd prefer to buy a striker with genuine pace
Yes it's a good post. Like I said, I have no problem with you being critical of Firmino in general. It's the way you are so critical of yesterday's performance that I don't get.
'The next Suarez' might not exist but I'd be optimistic on unearthing someone with similar qualities on the cusp of improving markedly under Klopp. If that's the case, we'd have every chance of buying a 21-24 year old with tons of potential not yet realised under the right tutelage / system.
We've a decent recent track record of doing so re attacking players and strikers (Coutinho, Suarez, Torres, Sturridge, Mane etc).
It's retarded to think that we can't find a player at that sort of level and quality, given we've done it plenty of times in recent years.
And I suspect it will top of the agenda in summer, just as it should have been last summer.
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