Players tell Rafa Benitez: Bring Michael Owen back
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=33881.msg880210#msg880210 date=1243921365]
The best thing signing Owen would give us is that it'd massively fuck off Wilko.
therefore, I'm right behind this 'Owen 2 Liverpool' thing.
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Me too.
I'll admit that I do stick up for Owen possibly too much, because the abuse he gets on here is uncalled for, and I will also admit that he's had a dismal time with injuries and form for years, and I will also admit that I am VERY far from convinced that bringing him back is a great idea.
But he's still only 29, and if the money was right, well......why not.
The best thing signing Owen would give us is that it'd massively fuck off Wilko.
therefore, I'm right behind this 'Owen 2 Liverpool' thing.
[/quote]
Me too.
I'll admit that I do stick up for Owen possibly too much, because the abuse he gets on here is uncalled for, and I will also admit that he's had a dismal time with injuries and form for years, and I will also admit that I am VERY far from convinced that bringing him back is a great idea.
But he's still only 29, and if the money was right, well......why not.
[quote author=rurikbird link=topic=33881.msg880252#msg880252 date=1243928891]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=33881.msg880246#msg880246 date=1243928428]
from mirror:
If this is true, Moyes is trying to build the most injury-prone attacking unit in the world.
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Ha ha - that's true. I bet Cahill still ends up as their top goalscorer next season.
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=33881.msg880246#msg880246 date=1243928428]
from mirror:
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If this is true, Moyes is trying to build the most injury-prone attacking unit in the world.
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Ha ha - that's true. I bet Cahill still ends up as their top goalscorer next season.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=33881.msg880128#msg880128 date=1243892889]
Apparantly he's been offered a pay as you play with us. So i guess we'll find out how hungry he is.
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If this has happened then we'll see where his loyalties really lie, the BIG possibility of medals at Liverpool or UEFA Cup football at Everton, while tarnishing his name even more with Liverpool fans.
I have to say, I've stuck up for him a fair bit too, he doesn't deserve the shit he gets, he made his decision and ultimately he's paid for it. It's time for him to come home with his tail between his legs.
Apparantly he's been offered a pay as you play with us. So i guess we'll find out how hungry he is.
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If this has happened then we'll see where his loyalties really lie, the BIG possibility of medals at Liverpool or UEFA Cup football at Everton, while tarnishing his name even more with Liverpool fans.
I have to say, I've stuck up for him a fair bit too, he doesn't deserve the shit he gets, he made his decision and ultimately he's paid for it. It's time for him to come home with his tail between his legs.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=33881.msg880128#msg880128 date=1243892889]
Apparantly he's been offered a pay as you play with us. So i guess we'll find out how hungry he is.
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Appreciate the text tip bud.
Oh, and by 'players' it means Gerrard and Carragher, right? Who else is gonna care?
Apparantly he's been offered a pay as you play with us. So i guess we'll find out how hungry he is.
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Appreciate the text tip bud.
Oh, and by 'players' it means Gerrard and Carragher, right? Who else is gonna care?
[quote author=DHSC link=topic=33881.msg880323#msg880323 date=1243935992]
I would love for Owen to come back.
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Wilko knows where you live.... ;D
I would love for Owen to come back.
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Wilko knows where you live.... ;D
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=33881.msg880432#msg880432 date=1243945662]
[quote author=DHSC link=topic=33881.msg880323#msg880323 date=1243935992]
I would love for Owen to come back.
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Wilko knows where you live.... ;D
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Ha! If I did know I'd have a team of psychiatrists drag him off to a padded cell for a spot of electric shock therapy.
[quote author=DHSC link=topic=33881.msg880323#msg880323 date=1243935992]
I would love for Owen to come back.
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Wilko knows where you live.... ;D
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Ha! If I did know I'd have a team of psychiatrists drag him off to a padded cell for a spot of electric shock therapy.
[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=33881.msg880581#msg880581 date=1243962153]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=33881.msg880432#msg880432 date=1243945662]
[quote author=DHSC link=topic=33881.msg880323#msg880323 date=1243935992]
I would love for Owen to come back.
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Wilko knows where you live.... ;D
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Ha! If I did know I'd have a team of psychiatrists drag him off to a padded cell for a spot of electric shock therapy.
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I half suspect you were a victim of this yourself Wilko at the same time as "Owen's top 100" was being played on big, wall to wall screens. Somehow you've associated the two things - its the only explanation for your irrational, laugable crusade against one of our greatest ever strikers.
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=33881.msg880432#msg880432 date=1243945662]
[quote author=DHSC link=topic=33881.msg880323#msg880323 date=1243935992]
I would love for Owen to come back.
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Wilko knows where you live.... ;D
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Ha! If I did know I'd have a team of psychiatrists drag him off to a padded cell for a spot of electric shock therapy.
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I half suspect you were a victim of this yourself Wilko at the same time as "Owen's top 100" was being played on big, wall to wall screens. Somehow you've associated the two things - its the only explanation for your irrational, laugable crusade against one of our greatest ever strikers.
Well he is as good as signed then if it has been sanctioned by the skipper :🙂
regards
regards
he wanted Barry too...
I thought I'd add my opinion on the whole MO issue.
What he did to us was low and he got what he deserved, but he's free now and we're cash strapped, so what can we loose?
At the moment we've got Babel, Ngog and Kuyt as cover for Torres.
While Man U have Ronaldo, Berba, Tevez and Rooney to choose from.
Gerrard just said that we need english players. Hyypia and Insua were kept out of the CL squad because of the home grown quota. Owen must surely be one of the solutions to this problem.
What he did to us was low and he got what he deserved, but he's free now and we're cash strapped, so what can we loose?
At the moment we've got Babel, Ngog and Kuyt as cover for Torres.
While Man U have Ronaldo, Berba, Tevez and Rooney to choose from.
Gerrard just said that we need english players. Hyypia and Insua were kept out of the CL squad because of the home grown quota. Owen must surely be one of the solutions to this problem.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=33881.msg880280#msg880280 date=1243932063]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=33881.msg880210#msg880210 date=1243921365]
The best thing signing Owen would give us is that it'd massively fuck off Wilko.
therefore, I'm right behind this 'Owen 2 Liverpool' thing.
[/quote]
Me too.
I'll admit that I do stick up for Owen possibly too much, because the abuse he gets on here is uncalled for, and I will also admit that he's had a dismal time with injuries and form for years, and I will also admit that I am VERY far from convinced that bringing him back is a great idea.
But he's still only 29, and if the money was right, well......why not.
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Really?
That surprises me.
I'm behind the idea, certainly given he's available on a free, and if we could do some deal with wages.
Even through all his injuries, he's averaged over 10 goals a season for Newcastle. We currently have no back-up to Torres that offers that, so I really don't see the problem.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=33881.msg880210#msg880210 date=1243921365]
The best thing signing Owen would give us is that it'd massively fuck off Wilko.
therefore, I'm right behind this 'Owen 2 Liverpool' thing.
[/quote]
Me too.
I'll admit that I do stick up for Owen possibly too much, because the abuse he gets on here is uncalled for, and I will also admit that he's had a dismal time with injuries and form for years, and I will also admit that I am VERY far from convinced that bringing him back is a great idea.
But he's still only 29, and if the money was right, well......why not.
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Really?
That surprises me.
I'm behind the idea, certainly given he's available on a free, and if we could do some deal with wages.
Even through all his injuries, he's averaged over 10 goals a season for Newcastle. We currently have no back-up to Torres that offers that, so I really don't see the problem.
Behave yourself, Wizardry. Owen was a great player for us, particularly when at his peak in 2001 (aged 21). He had lightening pace and scored a ton of goals, two of which snatched the FA Cup for us in an incredible smash and grab.
He has been on the wane since the treble season therefore I don't understand what his exploits eight years ago have to do with Liverpool's striking needs of today. Do explain, old chap.
He has been on the wane since the treble season therefore I don't understand what his exploits eight years ago have to do with Liverpool's striking needs of today. Do explain, old chap.
I think Wizardry has explained it somewhere in the thread Wilko.
1. English
2. Free
3. Impact player of the bench, someone mentioned that if its 1-1 vs Stoke with 20 mins to go, Owen would be a good option to have off the bench.
4. He should only come here if he's NOT the main signing. Ross mentioned that we have the leverage, its up to Owen to decide if he wants to come here for money or trophies.
5. He wont be playing much games here, less chances of getting injured. Knowing him, he still might though. BUT, when he isn't he would be a viable option.
6. I guess he's at a stage where money and ego comes second, he should know his time to win some more trophies is getting lesser by the year.
All in all, I'll be happy if he comes back on the condition that he accepts his role and also a salary structured in such a way that he won't costs the club too much.
1. English
2. Free
3. Impact player of the bench, someone mentioned that if its 1-1 vs Stoke with 20 mins to go, Owen would be a good option to have off the bench.
4. He should only come here if he's NOT the main signing. Ross mentioned that we have the leverage, its up to Owen to decide if he wants to come here for money or trophies.
5. He wont be playing much games here, less chances of getting injured. Knowing him, he still might though. BUT, when he isn't he would be a viable option.
6. I guess he's at a stage where money and ego comes second, he should know his time to win some more trophies is getting lesser by the year.
All in all, I'll be happy if he comes back on the condition that he accepts his role and also a salary structured in such a way that he won't costs the club too much.
[quote author=DHSC link=topic=33881.msg881038#msg881038 date=1243991549]
I think Wizardry has explained it somewhere in the thread Wilko.
1. English Granted
2. Free There are still his wages
3. Impact player of the bench, someone mentioned that if its 1-1 vs Stoke with 20 mins to go, Owen would be a good option to have off the bench. He was never an impact player off the bench. Whenever he hadn't played much for us it would take an age for him to get going again. His forte was finishing chances therefore if Stoke have parked the bus in their goal in the hope of a draw, wouldn't a player who can make something out of nothing be of more use?
4. He should only come here if he's NOT the main signing. Ross mentioned that we have the leverage, its up to Owen to decide if he wants to come here for money or trophies.
5. He wont be playing much games here Then what's the point?, less chances of getting injured. Knowing him, he still might though. BUT, when he isn't he would be a viable option.
6. I guess he's at a stage where money and ego comes second, he should know his time to win some more trophies is getting lesser by the year.
All in all, I'll be happy if he comes back on the condition that he accepts his role and also a salary structured in such a way that he won't costs the club too much.
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I think Wizardry has explained it somewhere in the thread Wilko.
1. English Granted
2. Free There are still his wages
3. Impact player of the bench, someone mentioned that if its 1-1 vs Stoke with 20 mins to go, Owen would be a good option to have off the bench. He was never an impact player off the bench. Whenever he hadn't played much for us it would take an age for him to get going again. His forte was finishing chances therefore if Stoke have parked the bus in their goal in the hope of a draw, wouldn't a player who can make something out of nothing be of more use?
4. He should only come here if he's NOT the main signing. Ross mentioned that we have the leverage, its up to Owen to decide if he wants to come here for money or trophies.
5. He wont be playing much games here Then what's the point?, less chances of getting injured. Knowing him, he still might though. BUT, when he isn't he would be a viable option.
6. I guess he's at a stage where money and ego comes second, he should know his time to win some more trophies is getting lesser by the year.
All in all, I'll be happy if he comes back on the condition that he accepts his role and also a salary structured in such a way that he won't costs the club too much.
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[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=33881.msg880998#msg880998 date=1243986402]
Behave yourself, Wizardry. Owen was a great player for us, particularly when at his peak in 2001 (aged 21). He had lightening pace and scored a ton of goals, two of which snatched the FA Cup for us in an incredible smash and grab.
He has been on the wane since the treble season therefore I don't understand what his exploits eight years ago have to do with Liverpool's striking needs of today. Do explain, old chap.
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DHSC has actually done a great job summarising all my points - with the exception of saying he's english which I didn't actually focus on though its a hard one to argue against.
I look at what the mancs have done plenty of times with Tevez and Berba when they were struggling - we don't have an option of bringing on a strike player but Owen would manage that. Your statement that he could never be a sub is patently ridiculous given his efforts at Madrid.
Something that hasn't received the air time - though has been mentioned - is combination. We're all in awe at how well Stevie and Torres combine. Well Owen and Gerrard did it very well too and I think we'll be hard pressed to find a striker who can score goals, epl proven, has a good understanding with Gerrard - and he's free. Maybe you could name one.
Bottom line is, as I've said in the thread already, I think our priority has to be big play for an utter match winner out on the left. That will command a big wedge in the transfer market and signing Owen impacts on that ........... not at all.
Behave yourself, Wizardry. Owen was a great player for us, particularly when at his peak in 2001 (aged 21). He had lightening pace and scored a ton of goals, two of which snatched the FA Cup for us in an incredible smash and grab.
He has been on the wane since the treble season therefore I don't understand what his exploits eight years ago have to do with Liverpool's striking needs of today. Do explain, old chap.
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DHSC has actually done a great job summarising all my points - with the exception of saying he's english which I didn't actually focus on though its a hard one to argue against.
I look at what the mancs have done plenty of times with Tevez and Berba when they were struggling - we don't have an option of bringing on a strike player but Owen would manage that. Your statement that he could never be a sub is patently ridiculous given his efforts at Madrid.
Something that hasn't received the air time - though has been mentioned - is combination. We're all in awe at how well Stevie and Torres combine. Well Owen and Gerrard did it very well too and I think we'll be hard pressed to find a striker who can score goals, epl proven, has a good understanding with Gerrard - and he's free. Maybe you could name one.
Bottom line is, as I've said in the thread already, I think our priority has to be big play for an utter match winner out on the left. That will command a big wedge in the transfer market and signing Owen impacts on that ........... not at all.
[quote author=Wizardry link=topic=33881.msg881077#msg881077 date=1244009527]
[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=33881.msg880998#msg880998 date=1243986402]
Behave yourself, Wizardry. Owen was a great player for us, particularly when at his peak in 2001 (aged 21). He had lightening pace and scored a ton of goals, two of which snatched the FA Cup for us in an incredible smash and grab.
He has been on the wane since the treble season therefore I don't understand what his exploits eight years ago have to do with Liverpool's striking needs of today. Do explain, old chap.
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DHSC has actually done a great job summarising all my points - with the exception of saying he's english which I didn't actually focus on though its a hard one to argue against.
I look at what the mancs have done plenty of times with Tevez and Berba when they were struggling - we don't have an option of bringing on a strike player but Owen would manage that. Your statement that he could never be a sub is patently ridiculous given his efforts at Madrid.
Something that hasn't received the air time - though has been mentioned - is combination. We're all in awe at how well Stevie and Torres combine. Well Owen and Gerrard did it very well too and I think we'll be hard pressed to find a striker who can score goals, epl proven, has a good understanding with Gerrard - and he's free. Maybe you could name one.
Bottom line is, as I've said in the thread already, I think our priority has to be big play for an utter match winner out on the left. That will command a big wedge in the transfer market and signing Owen impacts on that ........... not at all.
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I've no wish to intrude on a private argument here 😉 but I'm less convinced by that than I usually am by your posts, mate.
Michael Owen is not the player he was when he and Stevie used to combine so well. Even the Toon with their less than inspiring striker options couldn't find a berth for him up front any more. Credit to Keegan for slotting him in just behind the strikers and getting some good performances out of him in that position, but when would he get a game there for us in competition not only with Stevie himself but also with a resurgent Benayoun? We'd effectively be paying the guy to be a supersub and only a supersub (unlike Tevez and Berbatov incidentally, who get games in their own right) and I can't see him accepting the wages to match.
[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=33881.msg880998#msg880998 date=1243986402]
Behave yourself, Wizardry. Owen was a great player for us, particularly when at his peak in 2001 (aged 21). He had lightening pace and scored a ton of goals, two of which snatched the FA Cup for us in an incredible smash and grab.
He has been on the wane since the treble season therefore I don't understand what his exploits eight years ago have to do with Liverpool's striking needs of today. Do explain, old chap.
[/quote]
DHSC has actually done a great job summarising all my points - with the exception of saying he's english which I didn't actually focus on though its a hard one to argue against.
I look at what the mancs have done plenty of times with Tevez and Berba when they were struggling - we don't have an option of bringing on a strike player but Owen would manage that. Your statement that he could never be a sub is patently ridiculous given his efforts at Madrid.
Something that hasn't received the air time - though has been mentioned - is combination. We're all in awe at how well Stevie and Torres combine. Well Owen and Gerrard did it very well too and I think we'll be hard pressed to find a striker who can score goals, epl proven, has a good understanding with Gerrard - and he's free. Maybe you could name one.
Bottom line is, as I've said in the thread already, I think our priority has to be big play for an utter match winner out on the left. That will command a big wedge in the transfer market and signing Owen impacts on that ........... not at all.
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I've no wish to intrude on a private argument here 😉 but I'm less convinced by that than I usually am by your posts, mate.
Michael Owen is not the player he was when he and Stevie used to combine so well. Even the Toon with their less than inspiring striker options couldn't find a berth for him up front any more. Credit to Keegan for slotting him in just behind the strikers and getting some good performances out of him in that position, but when would he get a game there for us in competition not only with Stevie himself but also with a resurgent Benayoun? We'd effectively be paying the guy to be a supersub and only a supersub (unlike Tevez and Berbatov incidentally, who get games in their own right) and I can't see him accepting the wages to match.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=33881.msg880990#msg880990 date=1243986089]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=33881.msg880280#msg880280 date=1243932063]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=33881.msg880210#msg880210 date=1243921365]
The best thing signing Owen would give us is that it'd massively fuck off Wilko.
therefore, I'm right behind this 'Owen 2 Liverpool' thing.
[/quote]
Me too.
I'll admit that I do stick up for Owen possibly too much, because the abuse he gets on here is uncalled for, and I will also admit that he's had a dismal time with injuries and form for years, and I will also admit that I am VERY far from convinced that bringing him back is a great idea.
But he's still only 29, and if the money was right, well......why not.
[/quote]
Really?
That surprises me.
I'm behind the idea, certainly given he's available on a free, and if we could do some deal with wages.
Even through all his injuries, he's averaged over 10 goals a season for Newcastle. We currently have no back-up to Torres that offers that, so I really don't see the problem.
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26 goals in four seasons is more like averaging 6.5 goals per season. They came in 71 games though
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=33881.msg880280#msg880280 date=1243932063]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=33881.msg880210#msg880210 date=1243921365]
The best thing signing Owen would give us is that it'd massively fuck off Wilko.
therefore, I'm right behind this 'Owen 2 Liverpool' thing.
[/quote]
Me too.
I'll admit that I do stick up for Owen possibly too much, because the abuse he gets on here is uncalled for, and I will also admit that he's had a dismal time with injuries and form for years, and I will also admit that I am VERY far from convinced that bringing him back is a great idea.
But he's still only 29, and if the money was right, well......why not.
[/quote]
Really?
That surprises me.
I'm behind the idea, certainly given he's available on a free, and if we could do some deal with wages.
Even through all his injuries, he's averaged over 10 goals a season for Newcastle. We currently have no back-up to Torres that offers that, so I really don't see the problem.
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26 goals in four seasons is more like averaging 6.5 goals per season. They came in 71 games though
Wizardry - yes, Gerrard did indeed have an excellent understanding with Owen and would regularly pick him out with balls from midfield that utilized Mikey's searing pace. The potential problem with reinstating this combo today is that Gerrard no longer plays in midfield and Owen couldn't beat Old Mother Hubbard in a 10 yard dash.
[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=33881.msg881321#msg881321 date=1244029737]
Wizardry - yes, Gerrard did indeed have an excellent understanding with Owen and would regularly pick him out with balls from midfield that utilized Mikey's searing pace. The potential problem with reinstating this combo today is that Gerrard no longer plays in midfield and Owen couldn't beat Old Mother Hubbard in a 10 yard dash.
[/quote]Hahaha you made a funneh.
I roll with you on this one, but i dont see what scientology has to do with anything.
Wizardry - yes, Gerrard did indeed have an excellent understanding with Owen and would regularly pick him out with balls from midfield that utilized Mikey's searing pace. The potential problem with reinstating this combo today is that Gerrard no longer plays in midfield and Owen couldn't beat Old Mother Hubbard in a 10 yard dash.
[/quote]Hahaha you made a funneh.
I roll with you on this one, but i dont see what scientology has to do with anything.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=33881.msg881339#msg881339 date=1244031894]
[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=33881.msg881321#msg881321 date=1244029737]
Wizardry - yes, Gerrard did indeed have an excellent understanding with Owen and would regularly pick him out with balls from midfield that utilized Mikey's searing pace. The potential problem with reinstating this combo today is that Gerrard no longer plays in midfield and Owen couldn't beat Old Mother Hubbard in a 10 yard dash.
[/quote]Hahaha you made a funneh.
I roll with you on this one, but i dont see what scientology has to do with anything.
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Where did you hear the info about us offering him a pay as you play deal mate?
[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=33881.msg881321#msg881321 date=1244029737]
Wizardry - yes, Gerrard did indeed have an excellent understanding with Owen and would regularly pick him out with balls from midfield that utilized Mikey's searing pace. The potential problem with reinstating this combo today is that Gerrard no longer plays in midfield and Owen couldn't beat Old Mother Hubbard in a 10 yard dash.
[/quote]Hahaha you made a funneh.
I roll with you on this one, but i dont see what scientology has to do with anything.
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Where did you hear the info about us offering him a pay as you play deal mate?
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=33881.msg881122#msg881122 date=1244017311]
[quote author=Wizardry link=topic=33881.msg881077#msg881077 date=1244009527]
[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=33881.msg880998#msg880998 date=1243986402]
Behave yourself, Wizardry. Owen was a great player for us, particularly when at his peak in 2001 (aged 21). He had lightening pace and scored a ton of goals, two of which snatched the FA Cup for us in an incredible smash and grab.
He has been on the wane since the treble season therefore I don't understand what his exploits eight years ago have to do with Liverpool's striking needs of today. Do explain, old chap.
[/quote]
DHSC has actually done a great job summarising all my points - with the exception of saying he's english which I didn't actually focus on though its a hard one to argue against.
I look at what the mancs have done plenty of times with Tevez and Berba when they were struggling - we don't have an option of bringing on a strike player but Owen would manage that. Your statement that he could never be a sub is patently ridiculous given his efforts at Madrid.
Something that hasn't received the air time - though has been mentioned - is combination. We're all in awe at how well Stevie and Torres combine. Well Owen and Gerrard did it very well too and I think we'll be hard pressed to find a striker who can score goals, epl proven, has a good understanding with Gerrard - and he's free. Maybe you could name one.
Bottom line is, as I've said in the thread already, I think our priority has to be big play for an utter match winner out on the left. That will command a big wedge in the transfer market and signing Owen impacts on that ........... not at all.
[/quote]
I've no wish to intrude on a private argument here 😉 but I'm less convinced by that than I usually am by your posts, mate.
Michael Owen is not the player he was when he and Stevie used to combine so well. Even the Toon with their less than inspiring striker options couldn't find a berth for him up front any more. Credit to Keegan for slotting him in just behind the strikers and getting some good performances out of him in that position, but when would he get a game there for us in competition not only with Stevie himself but also with a resurgent Benayoun? We'd effectively be paying the guy to be a supersub and only a supersub (unlike Tevez and Berbatov incidentally, who get games in their own right) and I can't see him accepting the wages to match.
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This goes back a bit JJ but the problem with the argument is the perception of Owen.
I don't agree at all that Owen has gone that far down hill; he's still scored close to 10 goals in a relegated team while having one of his worst ever seasons with injury. The second is this ongoing perception that Owen had pace, pace and only pace to thank for his goals. Simply not true. That was certainly one of the most promotable aspects of his game and the number of clips played of him sprinting through over 25 or 30m is astronomical. However, the comments made by Henry etc were indicative of Owen's bread and butter; he simply scored goals by being in the box and having that knack of getting hold of a loose ball or a half chance and making it count. He was/is a fox in the box and his pace isn't that essential.
I'm promoting the signing a little much right now given that it certainly doesn't seem like a dream partnership. However, he still scores goals, he's free and therefore doesn't stop our other signings which I think are more important. I would still have more hope for him at 1-1 away to Stoke than Ngog or Babel etc.
[quote author=Wizardry link=topic=33881.msg881077#msg881077 date=1244009527]
[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=33881.msg880998#msg880998 date=1243986402]
Behave yourself, Wizardry. Owen was a great player for us, particularly when at his peak in 2001 (aged 21). He had lightening pace and scored a ton of goals, two of which snatched the FA Cup for us in an incredible smash and grab.
He has been on the wane since the treble season therefore I don't understand what his exploits eight years ago have to do with Liverpool's striking needs of today. Do explain, old chap.
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DHSC has actually done a great job summarising all my points - with the exception of saying he's english which I didn't actually focus on though its a hard one to argue against.
I look at what the mancs have done plenty of times with Tevez and Berba when they were struggling - we don't have an option of bringing on a strike player but Owen would manage that. Your statement that he could never be a sub is patently ridiculous given his efforts at Madrid.
Something that hasn't received the air time - though has been mentioned - is combination. We're all in awe at how well Stevie and Torres combine. Well Owen and Gerrard did it very well too and I think we'll be hard pressed to find a striker who can score goals, epl proven, has a good understanding with Gerrard - and he's free. Maybe you could name one.
Bottom line is, as I've said in the thread already, I think our priority has to be big play for an utter match winner out on the left. That will command a big wedge in the transfer market and signing Owen impacts on that ........... not at all.
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I've no wish to intrude on a private argument here 😉 but I'm less convinced by that than I usually am by your posts, mate.
Michael Owen is not the player he was when he and Stevie used to combine so well. Even the Toon with their less than inspiring striker options couldn't find a berth for him up front any more. Credit to Keegan for slotting him in just behind the strikers and getting some good performances out of him in that position, but when would he get a game there for us in competition not only with Stevie himself but also with a resurgent Benayoun? We'd effectively be paying the guy to be a supersub and only a supersub (unlike Tevez and Berbatov incidentally, who get games in their own right) and I can't see him accepting the wages to match.
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This goes back a bit JJ but the problem with the argument is the perception of Owen.
I don't agree at all that Owen has gone that far down hill; he's still scored close to 10 goals in a relegated team while having one of his worst ever seasons with injury. The second is this ongoing perception that Owen had pace, pace and only pace to thank for his goals. Simply not true. That was certainly one of the most promotable aspects of his game and the number of clips played of him sprinting through over 25 or 30m is astronomical. However, the comments made by Henry etc were indicative of Owen's bread and butter; he simply scored goals by being in the box and having that knack of getting hold of a loose ball or a half chance and making it count. He was/is a fox in the box and his pace isn't that essential.
I'm promoting the signing a little much right now given that it certainly doesn't seem like a dream partnership. However, he still scores goals, he's free and therefore doesn't stop our other signings which I think are more important. I would still have more hope for him at 1-1 away to Stoke than Ngog or Babel etc.
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