Players tell Rafa Benitez: Bring Michael Owen back

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=33881.msg879293#msg879293 date=1243768210]
I actually havnt said that we should sign him. My point is that he is only 29 and to suggest that he is washed up is a bit of an over reaction. OK his time at Newcastle hasnt been the best but he had a great season at Real even though he was used very sparingly.


[/quote]

my basic point is this; if you (or anyone else) wants owen to be brought back that's fair enough but do it based on owen circa 2009 not owen circa 2001 and its all well and good saying he's 'free' but currently (owen circa 2009) is on over 100,000 pounds a week and he will expect at LEAST that as there is no transfer/signing on fee.

 

[gkmacca]

I wouldn't mind Owen coming back as an impact player. It would be a gamble, but if he came on a much-reduced wage or even a play-as-you-play deal, he'd still look to me a better short-term bet than when Robbie Fowler came back. The only thing that Michael would probably feel motivated by is the slim chance of getting another England call-up, and he's actually smart enough to realise now that his best chance of getting one is by proving himself as an effective sub at the highest level rather than a 90 minute striker for some middling team. The bluenoses can't afford to buy him just as a sub - they'll need to play him into the ground, week after week, and he must know he's no longer up to that. As an 'extra' signing, therefore, he'd be vastly better, IMHO, than some Vornin-type journeyman who'd probably whine about rotation anyway. But I'd be gobsmacked if Rafa was remotely interested.

 

[Tal]

Owen and Everton are made for each other. His can play his 'childhood fan' card and Everton do better when all their strikers are injured.

 

[Jack D Rips]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33881.msg879295#msg879295 date=1243768536]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=33881.msg879293#msg879293 date=1243768210]
I actually havnt said that we should sign him. My point is that he is only 29 and to suggest that he is washed up is a bit of an over reaction. OK his time at Newcastle hasnt been the best but he had a great season at Real even though he was used very sparingly.


[/quote]

my basic point is this; if you (or anyone else) wants owen to be brought back that's fair enough but do it based on owen circa 2009 not owen circa 2001 and its all well and good saying he's 'free' but currently (owen circa 2009) is on over 100,000 pounds a week and he will expect at LEAST that as there is no transfer/signing on fee.
[/quote]

I doubt if anyone here would be agreeable to bring him back on his current wages. As I said Im not even convinced we should take him. Im just showing respect to a player who gave an awful lot to our club.

There are some on here, and Im not including you in that Neil, who show no respect

 

[gkmacca]

I know Michael's (very decent) family a bit and I must say, when he was younger and playing for us, his attitude to fans, off the pitch, was astonishingly mature, and he did so many things for individual fans it's mind-boggling, so this 'He's a purely selfish bastard antichrist' view always depresses me. Yes, he's made decisions, or delegated them, in an often foolish and maddening way, but this eagerness to project the most unpleasant qualities possible on to him is, I feel, misguided. I doubt Carra or Gerrard, for all of their old friendship with him, would be in a frame of mind for charity at this stage in their careers. There's one last, very slim, chance for Owen, and that's at a top club where he feels motivated. That isn't Everton.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=33881.msg879298#msg879298 date=1243769059]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33881.msg879295#msg879295 date=1243768536]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=33881.msg879293#msg879293 date=1243768210]
I actually havnt said that we should sign him. My point is that he is only 29 and to suggest that he is washed up is a bit of an over reaction. OK his time at Newcastle hasnt been the best but he had a great season at Real even though he was used very sparingly.


[/quote]

my basic point is this; if you (or anyone else) wants owen to be brought back that's fair enough but do it based on owen circa 2009 not owen circa 2001 and its all well and good saying he's 'free' but currently (owen circa 2009) is on over 100,000 pounds a week and he will expect at LEAST that as there is no transfer/signing on fee.
[/quote]

I doubt if anyone here would be agreeable to bring him back on his current wages. As I said Im not even convinced we should take him. Im just showing respect to a player who gave an awful lot to our club.

There are some on here, and Im not including you in that Neil, who show no respect
[/quote]

respect? I don't get what you know mean I've acknowledged more than once that he was a fantasitc goalscorer and a fantastic servent but that simply doesn't come into my thinking when deciding if owen would be a good acquisition this summer.

 

[Avmenon]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33881.msg879300#msg879300 date=1243769288]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=33881.msg879298#msg879298 date=1243769059]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33881.msg879295#msg879295 date=1243768536]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=33881.msg879293#msg879293 date=1243768210]
I actually havnt said that we should sign him. My point is that he is only 29 and to suggest that he is washed up is a bit of an over reaction. OK his time at Newcastle hasnt been the best but he had a great season at Real even though he was used very sparingly.


[/quote]

my basic point is this; if you (or anyone else) wants owen to be brought back that's fair enough but do it based on owen circa 2009 not owen circa 2001 and its all well and good saying he's 'free' but currently (owen circa 2009) is on over 100,000 pounds a week and he will expect at LEAST that as there is no transfer/signing on fee.
[/quote]

I doubt if anyone here would be agreeable to bring him back on his current wages. As I said Im not even convinced we should take him. Im just showing respect to a player who gave an awful lot to our club.

There are some on here, and Im not including you in that Neil, who show no respect
[/quote]

respect? I don't get what you know mean I've acknowledged more than once that he was a fantasitc goalscorer and a fantastic servent but that simply doesn't come into my thinking when deciding if owen would be a good acquisition this summer.
[/quote]

read the post,Neil

 

[monsieurdantes]

There are only about 4 or 5 guys in the squad who make me happy, thats not how it used to be a decade ago. The rest now are just kind of generic employees than I feel nothing for, they just turn up do their job and whatever i don't really care about them.

If owen came back and scored goals and looked good again, that'd make me happy. So that's why i'd take a chance to have him back again.

 

[barrymac20]

Owens not the answer but i'd stil take him back on a pay as you play deal.

 

[manwithnoname]

As an addendum to Macca's point about Owen, one of his best friends is Carragher

Not a lad I would associate with being easily-led, gullible or stupid.

So if he is mates with Michael, that's good enough for me when it comes to a character analysis, and I would trust his opnion above any number of airmchair bing-bongs from Timbuktoo

 

[Jack D Rips]

[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=33881.msg879306#msg879306 date=1243770202]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33881.msg879300#msg879300 date=1243769288]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=33881.msg879298#msg879298 date=1243769059]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33881.msg879295#msg879295 date=1243768536]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=33881.msg879293#msg879293 date=1243768210]
I actually havnt said that we should sign him. My point is that he is only 29 and to suggest that he is washed up is a bit of an over reaction. OK his time at Newcastle hasnt been the best but he had a great season at Real even though he was used very sparingly.


[/quote]

my basic point is this; if you (or anyone else) wants owen to be brought back that's fair enough but do it based on owen circa 2009 not owen circa 2001 and its all well and good saying he's 'free' but currently (owen circa 2009) is on over 100,000 pounds a week and he will expect at LEAST that as there is no transfer/signing on fee.
[/quote]

I doubt if anyone here would be agreeable to bring him back on his current wages. As I said Im not even convinced we should take him. Im just showing respect to a player who gave an awful lot to our club.

There are some on here, and Im not including you in that Neil, who show no respect
[/quote]

respect? I don't get what you know mean I've acknowledged more than once that he was a fantasitc goalscorer and a fantastic servent but that simply doesn't come into my thinking when deciding if owen would be a good acquisition this summer.
[/quote]

read the post,Neil
[/quote]

Thanks Avmenon.

Yes read the post Neil.

 

[SummerOnions]

[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=33881.msg879206#msg879206 date=1243762805]
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=33881.msg879174#msg879174 date=1243760909]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=33881.msg879173#msg879173 date=1243760666]
No names mentioned I see. Well, only Gerrard and Carra are left from those days, eh?
[/quote]


Tummytuck is obviously trying to rumour monger. Who in their right mind from today's team would want a washed out player - who could barely get into a relegated Toon team back?

If the Reds are serious about winning the league next year, Owen is NOT the answer.

And asides from a nice 'warm' feeling at seeing Fowler back in a red shirt, his transfer home proved utterly futile.
[/quote]

He's 29. Mascher couldnt get a game with West Ham before he came to us. He's free apparently which surprises me. And finally class is permanent
[/quote]

Dalglish is on a free as well apparently.

 

[Spionkop69]

[quote author=Terrier link=topic=33881.msg879247#msg879247 date=1243765651]
Spion, your pink spectacle / 'cretin's advocate' stance on anything that isn't 101% PRO-LIVERPOOL is getting tiresome mate.

Give it a rest.
[/quote]

...

 

[Spionkop69]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33881.msg879230#msg879230 date=1243764381]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=33881.msg879227#msg879227 date=1243764108]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33881.msg879224#msg879224 date=1243763823]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=33881.msg879220#msg879220 date=1243763475]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33881.msg879218#msg879218 date=1243763321]
I felt certain that at LAST we'd go a summer without 'bring back owen' threads proping up the forum.
amazing that some STILL ignore the injuries, the minutes (or lack thereof) on the pitch, the wages, the age. fuck how he left who gives a shit in the here and now there is no good 'footballing' reason to bring him back. oh sorry, he's 'free'. JEEZ!!
[/quote]

Just as amazing are the cunts (like you) who show a total lack of respect for a player who score a hatful for us and don't see that a "free" Michael Owen is clearly a better gamble than a free Andriy Voronin or or a £20m Robbie Keane
[/quote]

cunts like me? oh boo hoo, stick and stones and all that.
who is talking about voronin or keane? keane is no longer here and we're trying to sell voronin so I have no idea what you're going on about, do even YOU know?
[/quote]

Oh my god. You are living up to your "one of the biggest divs on the site" moniker with that one.

Read it again, unless English isn't your first language.
[/quote]

one of the biggest divs on the site? HOORAY!! forutnately I have shining lights like yourself that show me how construct proper posts. ha ha
[/quote]

I normally can't be bothered with most of what you splurge across this site. So now I will return to my previous state of just ignoring most of your posts.

 

[Oncy]

I loved Owen and was gutted when he left.
But i hope we dont sign him, because with the best will in the world, he is......how to put this kindly....fucking rubbish these days.
I dont care if thats disrespectful, i dont want to sign rubbish players as back up, even if they are former legends and half this site and probably half our fans think he will suddenly return to Owen 2000, he wont. He was a great fucking player, he isnt now, he (if dropped into our team today) would weaken it. Lovely boy aside, we had his best years and should be satisfied.

 

[SummerOnions]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=33881.msg879372#msg879372 date=1243775960]
I loved Owen and was gutted when he left.
But i hope we dont sign him, because with the best will in the world, he is......how to put this kindly....fucking rubbish these days.
I dont care if thats disrespectful, i dont want to sign rubbish players as back up, even if they are former legends and half this site and probably half our fans think he will suddenly return to Owen 2000, he wont. He was a great fucking player, he isnt now, he (if dropped into our team today) would weaken it. Lovely boy aside, we had his best years and should be satisfied.
[/quote]

Ditto.

He was 24(?) when he left and in his prime.

He certainly ain't now.

 

[Squiggles]

Nobody is expecting a return to the 1997-2003 Michael Owen. No-one has even come close to saying that.

The fact is, I'd rather be bringing Owen off the bench to score than Voronin or N'gog.

We still should be looking for another striker, but as another option, Owen's worth the gamble if the contract's right.

 

[Jack D Rips]

[quote author=Gareth link=topic=33881.msg879345#msg879345 date=1243774488]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=33881.msg879206#msg879206 date=1243762805]
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=33881.msg879174#msg879174 date=1243760909]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=33881.msg879173#msg879173 date=1243760666]
No names mentioned I see. Well, only Gerrard and Carra are left from those days, eh?
[/quote]


Tummytuck is obviously trying to rumour monger. Who in their right mind from today's team would want a washed out player - who could barely get into a relegated Toon team back?

If the Reds are serious about winning the league next year, Owen is NOT the answer.

And asides from a nice 'warm' feeling at seeing Fowler back in a red shirt, his transfer home proved utterly futile.
[/quote]

He's 29. Mascher couldnt get a game with West Ham before he came to us. He's free apparently which surprises me. And finally class is permanent
[/quote]

Dalglish is on a free as well apparently.
[/quote]

You a bit slow today Gareth? neil already used that one. Only he had Aldo in it?

 

[Buddha]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=33881.msg879372#msg879372 date=1243775960]
I loved Owen and was gutted when he left.
But i hope we dont sign him, because with the best will in the world, he is......how to put this kindly....fucking rubbish these days.
I dont care if thats disrespectful, i dont want to sign rubbish players as back up, even if they are former legends and half this site and probably half our fans think he will suddenly return to Owen 2000, he wont. He was a great fucking player, he isnt now, he (if dropped into our team today) would weaken it. Lovely boy aside, we had his best years and should be satisfied.
[/quote]

In a nutshell. Incidentally, I felt the same way when Fowler came back. He wasn't half the player we'd sold either.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=33881.msg879385#msg879385 date=1243776421]
The fact is, I'd rather be bringing Owen off the bench to score than Voronin or N'gog.
[/quote]Then either you havnt seen him play for a long long time or you are bonkers.
I dont rate N'gog at all and Voronin is just 'ok' but id rather either than Micheal Owen.09 he is slow, ponderous...oh look i cant be bothered Squig, if we sign him i'll support him but i think it would be a stupid mistake.

 

[manwithnoname]

Haha, yeah, Eggnog is deffo more likely to come off the bench and score than Owen

All the figures, facts and stats back up that assertion, yep

Oh, wait. No they don't.

In any fucking way, shape or cunting form

 

[SummerOnions]

[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=33881.msg879386#msg879386 date=1243776520]
[quote author=Gareth link=topic=33881.msg879345#msg879345 date=1243774488]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=33881.msg879206#msg879206 date=1243762805]
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=33881.msg879174#msg879174 date=1243760909]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=33881.msg879173#msg879173 date=1243760666]
No names mentioned I see. Well, only Gerrard and Carra are left from those days, eh?
[/quote]


Tummytuck is obviously trying to rumour monger. Who in their right mind from today's team would want a washed out player - who could barely get into a relegated Toon team back?

If the Reds are serious about winning the league next year, Owen is NOT the answer.

And asides from a nice 'warm' feeling at seeing Fowler back in a red shirt, his transfer home proved utterly futile.
[/quote]

He's 29. Mascher couldnt get a game with West Ham before he came to us. He's free apparently which surprises me. And finally class is permanent
[/quote]

Dalglish is on a free as well apparently.
[/quote]

You a bit slow today Gareth? neil already used that one. Only he had Aldo in it?
[/quote]

Evidently. That and not wanting to read through 3 other pages of this to and fro argument.

 

[ibromurph]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=33881.msg879372#msg879372 date=1243775960]
I loved Owen and was gutted when he left.
But i hope we dont sign him, because with the best will in the world, he is......how to put this kindly....fucking rubbish these days.
I dont care if thats disrespectful, i dont want to sign rubbish players as back up, even if they are former legends and half this site and probably half our fans think he will suddenly return to Owen 2000, he wont. He was a great fucking player, he isnt now, he (if dropped into our team today) would weaken it. Lovely boy aside, we had his best years and should be satisfied.
[/quote]

This.

And people seem to underestimate his possible effect on the overall wages. Rafa's got a wage budget as well as a transfer budget to balance. It's not simply a case of getting a "free" transfer and simply adding 50k a week to the overall wage budget. That's a 2.6m investment per year.

 

[gkmacca]

Wherever he goes he'll take a massive pay cut. His bargaining power is very weak. Money isn't that high on his list of priorities at this stage in his career. His decision will be where, in footballing terms, is the best cash sacrifice to be made.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=33881.msg879391#msg879391 date=1243777205]
Haha, yeah, Eggnog is deffo more likely to come off the bench and score than Owen

All the figures, facts and stats back up that assertion, yep

Oh, wait. No they don't.

In any fucking way, shape or cunting form
[/quote]

What difference does that make? N'gog is already here sadly, so it isnt either or is it?
For the record both N'gog and Owen scored two league goals off the bench this season, so no the useless cunt N'gog isnt MORE likely to come on and score than Owen, he is AS likely to, although you could argue that given he has come off the bench only a third as many times as owen this year he is in fact MORE likely to score when given the chance.

 

[Fallon]

Oh Jeebus Christ, why don't we just sticky this frigger and rename it 'The Neverending Owen Thread' as it seems we can't go more than a few weeks without one.

 

[Wilko7]

Owen back to Liverpool? Whoever wrote that must a right fucking comedian.

 

[Whitey85]

It seems im in the minority but id like us to sign Owen.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Whitey85 link=topic=33881.msg879421#msg879421 date=1243782270]
It seems im in the minority but id like us to sign Owen.
[/quote]

I'd say it was 50/50

 

[Squiggles]

He's still scoring a goal every three three games in a side which provide absolutely no service.

He's not as shit as you're making out, Oncy.