I did say I suspected Klopp would give Karius another go this season, it didn't look terribly likely when Mignolet did well second half of last season, but I find it hard to imagine he won't give him another chance.
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I did say I suspected Klopp would give Karius another go this season, it didn't look terribly likely when Mignolet did well second half of last season, but I find it hard to imagine he won't give him another chance.
That would be unfair
Did we just win the PL?
Yay, we won a cup.
Karius is his first choice. We all knew that. But still too early to say who will start against Watford.
It's the only premier league trophy Liverpool will ever win...
Carrick isn't a DM, Fernandino isn't a DM, A case may be made for Coquelin or Xhaka but even then they are more CMs rather than out and out DMs (they play more in the style of Henderson last season) and this Arsenal team hasn't won the PL anyway.
So that leaves Chelsea and Leicester and guess what those PL winning teams have in common ? One player .. Kante. So maybe it was more about Kante than having a DM per se ? You made a REALLY weak case.
Another win. Nice.
Pre-season takeouts so far:
Defence still wobbly as fuck and Klarius is a disaster waiting to happen.
We need a DM
Salah looks quality, and we know Coutinho is one of our best players
Divot isn't a footballer
Firmino is slow and shit
Pre-season takeouts so far:
Defence still wobbly as fuck and Klarius is a disaster waiting to happen.
We need a DM
Salah looks quality, and we know Coutinho is one of our best players
Divot isn't a footballer
Firmino is slow and shit
So you mean Arsenal didn't have Viera, Gilberto Silva etc when they won the league?
Obi Mikel and Matic are what?
Fernandinho can play in the DM role.
Carrick can play in DM. Herrera can play there as well. Also, why the hell is Mourinho so hell bent on getting a DM? Isnt Matic a target.
Points still stands IMO.
Problem is Hendo can't play DM. And when did arsenal win with a Coquelin or whoever?
What evidence is there that he can't? When we were tearing it up last season, he was playing there, we were at our best when the three were Henderson, Lallana and Wijnaldum. I'm not saying we don't need one, but your constant insistence that he "can't" play there is based on fuck all other than complete bias against the player.
We had all this shit over Gerrard too, we lost the league because we were reluctant to be conservative at a couple of crucial times in that role (Palace, Chelsea), that doesn't undo the fact that for the other shit load of games, we were excellent with him playing there and we got ourselves within touching distance of the title.
Having a DM is only a small part of the problem with the defensive side of our game, the majority of the problem is that we can't defend as a team and we've got too many individuals capable of colossal defensive fuck ups, I don't think Henderson is one of them, certainly none spring to mind and he's not afraid to put his boot in where it hurts, despite his recent injury problems.
Yep. There is a lot more to Firmino's game than goals. Super player.
Why are you dragging up players from last century ?
Chelsea play with a DM so what ? It doesn't make it de rigueur. They also finished 10th with Matic / Mikel so it's not infallible and both are now gone/on their way out.
Just because Carrick can play DM (and ditto Fernandino) doesn't mean United play with him as a DM because in the vast majority of matches they don't (ditto Fernandino) and Mourinho wants a sitting midfielder to release Herrera (who isn't a DM in a million years) and Pogba, and as far as I know United haven't won the PL for 4 seasons so unless they do this season .. why are you including them? As they aren't relevant since they finished behind us (without a DM) last season.
It's not that I'm against playing with a DM, I'm definitely not, however we don't play with a DM so you and Bren frantically shouting DM ! DM ! DM ! every 5 mins isn't going to change a damn thing. However that's quite apart from my response to your post .. which was just pointing out the inaccuracy of what you were purporting to be the truth.
How many goals did we concede? That's the key factor imo.
Also I'm not the only one who sees that Hendo can't play in DM. I've explained it before, can't be arsed now. And you'll see why again this season. That's all I'll say.
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Ok. It's a bit ironic that you've labelled him "captain sideways", when you forever championed the cause of one of the most limited and erratic midfielders we've had.
"You'll see" - fucking hell, another season of match threads full of Modo waiting for his pet hates to fuck up.
Every team finishing above us or who win the Premier league have a DM on the pitch in way or another. Yes we have Hendo, but like I've said I don't consider him to be a DM and until we plug that hole in midfield and protect our back line with a capable player we ain't winning shit.
Ah, I loved Kuyt. A superb asset with his never-ending effort and consistent quality, supplying regular goals from a support striker role, or playing wide on the right.
Versatile and so valuable. His lack of pace was an issue, but anyone who knew football recognised his value
It was great watching him play and support wonderful players like Torres, who benefited from team-mates like Kuyt's skill, work-rate and quality, by being the devastating, quicksilver goalscorer that every top side needs as their main striker
Obviously, as everyone knows, relying on Dirk Kuyt to play as the central focus of an attack was stupid, as he was neither quick enough nor clinical enough to play that role, but he was good enough to play in other positions
Versatile and so valuable. His lack of pace was an issue, but anyone who knew football recognised his value
It was great watching him play and support wonderful players like Torres, who benefited from team-mates like Kuyt's skill, work-rate and quality, by being the devastating, quicksilver goalscorer that every top side needs as their main striker
Obviously, as everyone knows, relying on Dirk Kuyt to play as the central focus of an attack was stupid, as he was neither quick enough nor clinical enough to play that role, but he was good enough to play in other positions
Chelsea won the title with Matic as DM
We should also look at teams like Spurs and learn from why they always finish above us, despite a much lower wage bill and transfer spend.
Obviously a reliable top quality finisher like Kane is crucial, and their reliable defence, but it would be remiss to ignore their use of a DM in their formation, with Dier and Wanyama performing that vital role recently
Seems obvious really!
They were ace. Only a fucking retard would play either of them as the central attacking threat and main Number 9 striker though
Dead right. Apart from the 'scoring more goals and gets more assists bit'
And being quicker than Kuyt isn't hard.
So yeah, it's really clear why Firmino is Liverpool's number 9
Firmino is 1 in 3 for goals and 1 in 4 for assists. Kuyt was 1 in 4 for goals and 1 in 8 for assists. So you're wrong. Again.
As you know, Firmino isn't a striker, he plays up front as part of a fluid three, so droning on about it only makes you seem like some demented clockwork wankbat.
As you know, Firmino isn't a striker, he plays up front as part of a fluid three, so droning on about it only makes you seem like some demented clockwork wankbat.
I'm tired of the fetishisation of the DM 'role'. If you have a special player like Mascher, then yes, it's really good, but the obsession with the position, which shouldn't even be a position per se, has meant lots of teams waste a midfielder by making them do a job that only very, very few individuals can do well enough. And in my opinion the presence of DMs is partly to blame for so many back fours getting sloppier and sloppier. Because they expect protection from a DM. The DM was brought in by many managers because they didn't think their back fours were good enough as back fours. I'd rather have a better back four than a so-so DM. And a more dynamic midfield.
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