Parrybowl & Warrior it is then:

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=48335.msg1465985#msg1465985 date=1326844409]
Would we consistently fill 70k though (serious question).

I know the waiting list, the trillions of fans around the world etc, but will they come every week?
[/quote]

I am sure we wouldn't at the moment George, not if we have much more shit like we put up with on Saturday, but if we have any ambition at all we have to think we will every week at some point

regards

 

[Farkmaster]

I don't believe they'll just do a 60k stadium, but the reality is at present we are working from the reports of one source and a lot of speculation.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=48335.msg1465993#msg1465993 date=1326845776]
I don't believe they'll just do a 60k stadium, but the reality is at present we are working from the reports of one source and a lot of speculation.
[/quote]

I chose to agree with this.

It's pointless we may as well not bother and just cobble an extra tier and put boxes on the main stand like we did the centenary

regards

 

[mr_moo]

How fucking depressing is this? A soulless universal bowel of a stadium. They should just take one look at the emirates, and that should be enough to walk away and say no to such a stadium.

Very disappointing indeed.

 

[darkstarexodus]

Rubbish design. Totally uninspiring. No asymmetric cop. Lack of longterm thinking. Crap.

 

[Y1]

We are all going onto a massive depressive down-mood swing now... nothing is good news. ....

 

[Farkmaster]

Well lets give them a chance, but as far as my neanderthalic understanding of planning permission goes, they don't have much wiggle room, so it's either an impractically expensive and somewhat incomplete vanity project, or a very dull derivative design.


I don't understand why the detailed elements of the design matter, if they are ok with x amount of people and a footprint of y, but it seems they do.

 

[Woland]

I'm glad that we'll be getting 13m more a year for the shirt deal. That's an extra average clogger for our midfield every season.

As for the design. It's shite. Extend the Main Stand.

 

[jexykrodic]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=48335.msg1465550#msg1465550 date=1326759714]
So its:

And not:

YAAAAY Generic arena #57 (trad brick stadium)
[/quote]

Those V-shaped stanchions in each corner of the generic stadium say 'fuck off' don't they.

 

[Squiggles]

The H&G design was great.

We really shouldn't be using 10 year old designs. Stadium construction must have advanced in that time; better building methods, materials, design and so fourth.

I would rather we spend another year, get a new design in place and go with it.

 

[Woland]

These yanks are fucking shit.

 

[Woland]

How do the maths stack up anyways?

I mean if we build it for 300m and borrow money at 5%, that's 15m a year in interest.

If we have 15,000 extra seats and sell season tickets at an average of £1000 for those seats, then that's 15m a year made.

I know that there will be more corporate, but I've put the seats an average of 1000 instead of 700 and assumed that we'll sell them all, which we won't.

Or am I missing something massive?

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

[quote author=Woland link=topic=48335.msg1466159#msg1466159 date=1326895710]
How do the maths stack up anyways?

I mean if we build it for 300m and borrow money at 5%, that's 15m a year in interest.

If we have 15,000 extra seats and sell season tickets at an average of £1000 for those seats, then that's 15m a year made.

I know that there will be more corporate, but I've put the seats an average of 1000 instead of 700 and assumed that we'll sell them all, which we won't.

Or am I missing something massive?
[/quote]

I'm assuming we won't be borrowing 300m at 5%. That we'll be selling stadium rights and won't be paying any where near 300m ourselves. Hopefully anyway.

 

[Woland]

Money for large stuff like this costs well more than 5% at the moment.

They could sell the naming rights... But they could see the naming rights of Anfield too.

 

[HC]

Naming rights will be a massive chunk of the costs

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

[quote author=Woland link=topic=48335.msg1466164#msg1466164 date=1326896778]
Money for large stuff like this costs well more than 5% at the moment.

They could sell the naming rights... But they could see the naming rights of Anfield too.
[/quote]

They could, but that would be a short term plan, if they're getting these extra seats on the cheap, we should be set up for years.

 

[spider-Neil]

the outside looks shit but let's be honest here, the most important thing is the inside, the kop and the acoustics with regards to creating a wall of noise (if people can be asked to sing).

 

[spider-Neil]

as a side note, it would be really good if they made a tube line to and from lime street as cabs cost a fucking fortune and there is a big queue for them.

 

[doctor_mac]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48335.msg1466169#msg1466169 date=1326897128]
the outside looks shit but let's be honest here, the most important thing is the inside, the kop and the acoustics with regards to creating a wall of noise (if people can be asked to sing).
[/quote]

There will be no Kop.

Also- as the seats in a bowl stadium end up being pretty far from the pitch, the atmosphere is shite.

 

[Woland]

[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=48335.msg1466168#msg1466168 date=1326897100]
[quote author=Woland link=topic=48335.msg1466164#msg1466164 date=1326896778]
Money for large stuff like this costs well more than 5% at the moment.

They could sell the naming rights... But they could see the naming rights of Anfield too.
[/quote]

They could, but that would be a short term plan, if they're getting these extra seats on the cheap, we should be set up for years.
[/quote]

How is it any different? If the extra seats only pay the interest then the naming rights money is still what we'd get for selling the name for either stadium. It's the same positive sum.

 

[Mystic]

[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=48335.msg1466167#msg1466167 date=1326896946]
Naming rights will be a massive chunk of the costs
[/quote]

I'd hope so, how much do you think we can reasonably expect to receive?

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

[quote author=Woland link=topic=48335.msg1466172#msg1466172 date=1326897329]
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=48335.msg1466168#msg1466168 date=1326897100]
[quote author=Woland link=topic=48335.msg1466164#msg1466164 date=1326896778]
Money for large stuff like this costs well more than 5% at the moment.

They could sell the naming rights... But they could see the naming rights of Anfield too.
[/quote]

They could, but that would be a short term plan, if they're getting these extra seats on the cheap, we should be set up for years.
[/quote]

How is it any different? If the extra seats only pay the interest then the naming rights money is still what we'd get for selling the name for either stadium. It's the same positive sum.
[/quote]

The extra seats will pay off more than the interest. We will not be borrowing 300m, more like half of that. So we'll pay it off in 20 years or so, then it's extra money after that. It's a long term plan.

Of course, I'm making assumptions, and we may get more than 150m for the naming rights or less. But I'd very surprised if the owners hadn't done the maths on it.

 

[Mystic]

[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=48335.msg1466175#msg1466175 date=1326897526]
[quote author=Woland link=topic=48335.msg1466172#msg1466172 date=1326897329]
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=48335.msg1466168#msg1466168 date=1326897100]
[quote author=Woland link=topic=48335.msg1466164#msg1466164 date=1326896778]
Money for large stuff like this costs well more than 5% at the moment.

They could sell the naming rights... But they could see the naming rights of Anfield too.
[/quote]

They could, but that would be a short term plan, if they're getting these extra seats on the cheap, we should be set up for years.
[/quote]

How is it any different? If the extra seats only pay the interest then the naming rights money is still what we'd get for selling the name for either stadium. It's the same positive sum.
[/quote]

The extra seats will pay off more than the interest. We will not be borrowing 300m, more like half of that. So we'll pay it off in 20 years or so, then it's extra money after that. It's a long term plan.

Of course, I'm making assumptions, and we may get more than 150m for the naming rights or less. But I'd very surprised if the owners hadn't done the maths on it.
[/quote]

Honestly I think we'll be getting more, Arsenal got £100m for the Emirates and that was years ago. Plus we have money from development agencies to factor in as well, although that was only ~10m, every little helps.

 

[livvy145]

I doubt we'll get £150m upfront, most likely £10m - £15m a year for 10-15 years.

 

[Woland]

Would we automatically get more for the naming rights if it's a new build than if it's Anfield?

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

[quote author=Woland link=topic=48335.msg1466179#msg1466179 date=1326897721]
Would we automatically get more for the naming rights if it's a new build than if it's Anfield?
[/quote]

I'd imagine so. A new stadium's name is way more likely to stick.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=48335.msg1466171#msg1466171 date=1326897240]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48335.msg1466169#msg1466169 date=1326897128]
the outside looks shit but let's be honest here, the most important thing is the inside, the kop and the acoustics with regards to creating a wall of noise (if people can be asked to sing).
[/quote]

There will be no Kop.

Also- as the seats in a bowl stadium end up being pretty far from the pitch, the atmosphere is shite.
[/quote]
things like seating I assume can be finalised closer to construction.

 

[FoxForceFive]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48335.msg1#msg1 date=1326898990]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=48335.msg1466171#msg1466171 date=1326897240]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48335.msg1466169#msg1466169 date=1326897128]
the outside looks shit but let's be honest here, the most important thing is the inside, the kop and the acoustics with regards to creating a wall of noise (if people can be asked to sing).
[/quote]

There will be no Kop.

Also- as the seats in a bowl stadium end up being pretty far from the pitch, the atmosphere is shite.
[/quote]
things like seating I assume can be finalised closer to construction.
[/quote]

Seating isn't just sticking seats in though. Due to health & safety regs & building regs there'd need to be significant structural differences to accommodate a separated seating area like a stand, which would be altering that original plan somewhat.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=48335.msg1466187#msg1466187 date=1326899589]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48335.msg1#msg1 date=1326898990]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=48335.msg1466171#msg1466171 date=1326897240]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48335.msg1466169#msg1466169 date=1326897128]
the outside looks shit but let's be honest here, the most important thing is the inside, the kop and the acoustics with regards to creating a wall of noise (if people can be asked to sing).
[/quote]

There will be no Kop.

Also- as the seats in a bowl stadium end up being pretty far from the pitch, the atmosphere is shite.
[/quote]
things like seating I assume can be finalised closer to construction.
[/quote]

Seating isn't just sticking seats in though. Due to health & safety regs & building regs there'd need to be significant structural differences to accommodate a separated seating area like a stand, which would be altering that original plan somewhat.
[/quote]
yes but the G&H plans had the single tier kop so couldn't we use the plans for the seating arrangement but not the outer structure?

 

[Farkmaster]

The H&G design was not great, it looked interesting and different but a lot of things about it were hugely impractical, especially the amount of obstructed or non ideal viewing at a significant premium over the other designs.

Good architecture has to be really functional, it wasn't the most functional building and it was massively expensive, and some of that expense was pointless. It had a massive footprint for no apparent reason.

The "Parry Bowl" does actually have stands, it isn't a bowl in the normal sense of the word though it looks like one from outside. The original designs for it didn't even have filled in corners. It's the roof design that is most bowl like, and the curve on the seats.

The second design from AFL, although again not the most original building, is by far and away the best choice as far as I'm concerned, in terms of being functional, being decent value, and having a good atmosphere.