If he joins them, he's a cunt.
That is all.
That is all.
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=34487.msg899091#msg899091 date=1246573832]had Rafa been remotely interested in Owen he would never have left in the first place.
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I may be wrong, but didn't Rafa go and see him whilst he was with England at Euro 2004 to try and get him to stay?
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I may be wrong, but didn't Rafa go and see him whilst he was with England at Euro 2004 to try and get him to stay?
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=34487.msg899091#msg899091 date=1246573832]
[quote author=red_maradona link=topic=34487.msg899048#msg899048 date=1246569126]
its not his leaving that upset me, but his failure to come back to us and pick newcastle.
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He didn't pick Newcastle, they were a last resort, and flashed stupid money. If Rafa had been remotely interested in Owen he would be with us now, in fact had Rafa been remotely interested in Owen he would never have left in the first place.
regards
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Yet more speculation.
[quote author=red_maradona link=topic=34487.msg899048#msg899048 date=1246569126]
its not his leaving that upset me, but his failure to come back to us and pick newcastle.
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He didn't pick Newcastle, they were a last resort, and flashed stupid money. If Rafa had been remotely interested in Owen he would be with us now, in fact had Rafa been remotely interested in Owen he would never have left in the first place.
regards
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Yet more speculation.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=34487.msg899074#msg899074 date=1246572261]
[quote author=refugee link=topic=34487.msg899066#msg899066 date=1246571573]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=34487.msg899061#msg899061 date=1246570630]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=34487.msg899054#msg899054 date=1246569827]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=34487.msg898922#msg898922 date=1246551962]
Especially if (as is being reported) he takes their offer of a pay-as-you-play deal, when he (reportedly at least) turned down a similar offer from us.
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When was this and what source do we have?
[/quote]Apparantly hes had a medical at Old Trafford.
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So he isn't signing for United then.
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Haha. Yeah. The Inner Sanctum is still reeling from those daft 'Don't sign your contract 'til I have, Alonso is considering leaving' revelations.
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I don't think you got the joke
[quote author=refugee link=topic=34487.msg899066#msg899066 date=1246571573]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=34487.msg899061#msg899061 date=1246570630]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=34487.msg899054#msg899054 date=1246569827]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=34487.msg898922#msg898922 date=1246551962]
Especially if (as is being reported) he takes their offer of a pay-as-you-play deal, when he (reportedly at least) turned down a similar offer from us.
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When was this and what source do we have?
[/quote]Apparantly hes had a medical at Old Trafford.
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So he isn't signing for United then.
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Haha. Yeah. The Inner Sanctum is still reeling from those daft 'Don't sign your contract 'til I have, Alonso is considering leaving' revelations.
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I don't think you got the joke
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=34487.msg899061#msg899061 date=1246570630]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=34487.msg899054#msg899054 date=1246569827]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=34487.msg898922#msg898922 date=1246551962]
Especially if (as is being reported) he takes their offer of a pay-as-you-play deal, when he (reportedly at least) turned down a similar offer from us.
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When was this and what source do we have?
[/quote]Apparantly hes had a medical at Old Trafford.
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I meant is there a source that he turned down a pay as you play offer from us?
[quote author=Richey link=topic=34487.msg899054#msg899054 date=1246569827]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=34487.msg898922#msg898922 date=1246551962]
Especially if (as is being reported) he takes their offer of a pay-as-you-play deal, when he (reportedly at least) turned down a similar offer from us.
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When was this and what source do we have?
[/quote]Apparantly hes had a medical at Old Trafford.
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I meant is there a source that he turned down a pay as you play offer from us?
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=34487.msg899091#msg899091 date=1246573832]
[quote author=red_maradona link=topic=34487.msg899048#msg899048 date=1246569126]
its not his leaving that upset me, but his failure to come back to us and pick newcastle.
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He didn't pick Newcastle, they were a last resort, and flashed stupid money. If Rafa had been remotely interested in Owen he would be with us now, in fact had Rafa been remotely interested in Owen he would never have left in the first place.
regards
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based on carra's book it was very clear that we were seiously interested in owen and rafa spoke to carra about him and WAS keen - apparently owen was dying to go back to the UK for family reasons and decided to go for the toon, when even carra syas he wasn't prepared to test madrid's resolve and insist on a move to us. It's only one source, but its a reliable one, i think.
As others have mentioned Owen was one of the players that rafa flew out to see and make clear he was values - what more could have done?
[quote author=red_maradona link=topic=34487.msg899048#msg899048 date=1246569126]
its not his leaving that upset me, but his failure to come back to us and pick newcastle.
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He didn't pick Newcastle, they were a last resort, and flashed stupid money. If Rafa had been remotely interested in Owen he would be with us now, in fact had Rafa been remotely interested in Owen he would never have left in the first place.
regards
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based on carra's book it was very clear that we were seiously interested in owen and rafa spoke to carra about him and WAS keen - apparently owen was dying to go back to the UK for family reasons and decided to go for the toon, when even carra syas he wasn't prepared to test madrid's resolve and insist on a move to us. It's only one source, but its a reliable one, i think.
As others have mentioned Owen was one of the players that rafa flew out to see and make clear he was values - what more could have done?
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=34487.msg899095#msg899095 date=1246574011]
If he joins them, he's a cunt.
That is all.
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I have to agree.
Up until now, I thought the way he strung us along for 2 seasons only to leave us on the eve of a new season with a new manager was bang out of order. Yet I remembered him carrying us for a number of seasons, winning us an FA Cup Final single handedly. He was a good servant and doesn't deserve the abuse he gets. But to join Utd would only reaffirm my belief that he is a 'professional' footballer with no love or respect for the club that catapulted him to world prominence. Join Utd and you demonstrate that you're no better than the likes of Paul Ince. Basically, you're a twat.
If he joins them, he's a cunt.
That is all.
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I have to agree.
Up until now, I thought the way he strung us along for 2 seasons only to leave us on the eve of a new season with a new manager was bang out of order. Yet I remembered him carrying us for a number of seasons, winning us an FA Cup Final single handedly. He was a good servant and doesn't deserve the abuse he gets. But to join Utd would only reaffirm my belief that he is a 'professional' footballer with no love or respect for the club that catapulted him to world prominence. Join Utd and you demonstrate that you're no better than the likes of Paul Ince. Basically, you're a twat.
He must realise the enormity of doing this surely?
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=34487.msg899107#msg899107 date=1246574628]
He must realise the enormity of doing this surely?
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I'd say no he doesn't because he's not like a Fowler. He's a businessman, not a footballer.
He must realise the enormity of doing this surely?
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I'd say no he doesn't because he's not like a Fowler. He's a businessman, not a footballer.
Saying that, if he does join them, it'll be sweet singing our heads off asking him who he is when we lift the title next season. "Where were you in Istanbul?" will be a walk in the park for him compared to that.
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=34487.msg899107#msg899107 date=1246574628]
He must realise the enormity of doing this surely?
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He probably doesn't give a shit. He's thinking about the money, potential future England caps and maybe a medal or two.
Incidentally if you had 80m to spend how high up your list of priorities would Owen be ?
He must realise the enormity of doing this surely?
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He probably doesn't give a shit. He's thinking about the money, potential future England caps and maybe a medal or two.
Incidentally if you had 80m to spend how high up your list of priorities would Owen be ?
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=34487.msg899118#msg899118 date=1246576026]
Owen you potential cunt.
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Ha ha, now theres a t-shirt slogan if I've ever seen one
Owen you potential cunt.
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Ha ha, now theres a t-shirt slogan if I've ever seen one
If he goes and gets a regular string of games I'm pretty sure he''ll be in the England reckoning again. Owen is a goal scoring machine if fit. Bit of a risk with his injury record but one worth taking imo. Owen is/was a class striker.
Lets hope Rafa has someone in mind for back up striker to Torres cos we sure do need one.
Ngog - jurys out still, needs more games. Babel - not produced, however not really played as a striker that often. Nemeth - unknown at senior level. Kuyt - deadly, say no more.
Lets hope Rafa has someone in mind for back up striker to Torres cos we sure do need one.
Ngog - jurys out still, needs more games. Babel - not produced, however not really played as a striker that often. Nemeth - unknown at senior level. Kuyt - deadly, say no more.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=34487.msg899105#msg899105 date=1246574490]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=34487.msg899095#msg899095 date=1246574011]
If he joins them, he's a cunt.
That is all.
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I have to agree.
Up until now, I thought the way he strung us along for 2 seasons only to leave us on the eve of a new season with a new manager was bang out of order. Yet I remembered him carrying us for a number of seasons, winning us an FA Cup Final single handedly. He was a good servant and doesn't deserve the abuse he gets. But to join Utd would only reaffirm my belief that he is a 'professional' footballer with no love or respect for the club that catapulted him to world prominence. Join Utd and you demonstrate that you're no better than the likes of Paul Ince. Basically, you're a twat.
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I don't agree with you boys here.
What are the lads options? Hull? Fuck that. He's 29, got piss all offers, is no longer in the England squad that are going to a World Cup next year without him, and the biggest club in the World want him.
What would you do? Go to Hull, Bolton, or some other shite club to appease the 50% of Liverpool fans that don't mind you, or try to get something out of the last few years of your career by joining a great club?
He's got very few options, out of which this is his best one.
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=34487.msg899095#msg899095 date=1246574011]
If he joins them, he's a cunt.
That is all.
[/quote]
I have to agree.
Up until now, I thought the way he strung us along for 2 seasons only to leave us on the eve of a new season with a new manager was bang out of order. Yet I remembered him carrying us for a number of seasons, winning us an FA Cup Final single handedly. He was a good servant and doesn't deserve the abuse he gets. But to join Utd would only reaffirm my belief that he is a 'professional' footballer with no love or respect for the club that catapulted him to world prominence. Join Utd and you demonstrate that you're no better than the likes of Paul Ince. Basically, you're a twat.
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I don't agree with you boys here.
What are the lads options? Hull? Fuck that. He's 29, got piss all offers, is no longer in the England squad that are going to a World Cup next year without him, and the biggest club in the World want him.
What would you do? Go to Hull, Bolton, or some other shite club to appease the 50% of Liverpool fans that don't mind you, or try to get something out of the last few years of your career by joining a great club?
He's got very few options, out of which this is his best one.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=34487.msg899140#msg899140 date=1246580775]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=34487.msg899105#msg899105 date=1246574490]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=34487.msg899095#msg899095 date=1246574011]
If he joins them, he's a cunt.
That is all.
[/quote]
I have to agree.
Up until now, I thought the way he strung us along for 2 seasons only to leave us on the eve of a new season with a new manager was bang out of order. Yet I remembered him carrying us for a number of seasons, winning us an FA Cup Final single handedly. He was a good servant and doesn't deserve the abuse he gets. But to join Utd would only reaffirm my belief that he is a 'professional' footballer with no love or respect for the club that catapulted him to world prominence. Join Utd and you demonstrate that you're no better than the likes of Paul Ince. Basically, you're a twat.
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I don't agree with you boys here.
What are the lads options? Hull? Fuck that. He's 29, got piss all offers, is no longer in the England squad that are going to a World Cup next year without him, and the biggest club in the World want him.
What would you do? Go to Hull, Bolton, or some other shite club to appease the 50% of Liverpool fans that don't mind you, or try to get something out of the last few years of your career by joining a great club?
He's got very few options, out of which this is his best one.
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I agree. Faced with the prospect of Hull, Bolton or United, I'm afraid I'd walk to Old Toilet.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=34487.msg899105#msg899105 date=1246574490]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=34487.msg899095#msg899095 date=1246574011]
If he joins them, he's a cunt.
That is all.
[/quote]
I have to agree.
Up until now, I thought the way he strung us along for 2 seasons only to leave us on the eve of a new season with a new manager was bang out of order. Yet I remembered him carrying us for a number of seasons, winning us an FA Cup Final single handedly. He was a good servant and doesn't deserve the abuse he gets. But to join Utd would only reaffirm my belief that he is a 'professional' footballer with no love or respect for the club that catapulted him to world prominence. Join Utd and you demonstrate that you're no better than the likes of Paul Ince. Basically, you're a twat.
[/quote]
I don't agree with you boys here.
What are the lads options? Hull? Fuck that. He's 29, got piss all offers, is no longer in the England squad that are going to a World Cup next year without him, and the biggest club in the World want him.
What would you do? Go to Hull, Bolton, or some other shite club to appease the 50% of Liverpool fans that don't mind you, or try to get something out of the last few years of your career by joining a great club?
He's got very few options, out of which this is his best one.
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I agree. Faced with the prospect of Hull, Bolton or United, I'm afraid I'd walk to Old Toilet.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=34487.msg899140#msg899140 date=1246580775]
I don't agree with you boys here.
What are the lads options? Hull? Fuck that. He's 29, got piss all offers, is no longer in the England squad that are going to a World Cup next year without him, and the biggest club in the World want him.
What would you do? Go to Hull, Bolton, or some other shite club to appease the 50% of Liverpool fans that don't mind you, or try to get something out of the last few years of your career by joining a great club?
He's got very few options, out of which this is his best one.
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I read this post before I saw your avatar, and knew you wrote it. Perhaps true, but contrarian and more objective than thou...
Owen has conducted himself in a rational self interested way in all respects, as have his advisers. He engineered putting himself in the drivers seat twice, and financially he has been vindicated. On the footballing side he's produced absolutely nothing recently and showed no passion as his team got relegated. This is why he'll never be a legend, and won't be remembered as one of the greats, despite all of his clinical finishing and clinical professionalism. If he were still a great player, he would have showed it.
This decision making worked financially so far, and perhaps it will lead him out of it. His advisers will squeeze all the last drops out of their once proud brand, Owen will get a few pictures taken of him and say every last diplomatic thing about Liverpool, and about Manchester United.
Owen isn't a cunt, he's nothing. He's one of many fairly soulless footballers. How could I hate him, when he invests so little personally into any team he's playing for?
The idea that you'd just shrug your shoulders at this and just say, well that's the way it is, he's just making a good decision, ignores the fact that he's here in every respect because of his own clinical doings. Maybe you can appreciate his motivation now, but that we should just shrug our shoulders if his mercenary status is underscored ignores the fact that there are still proper footballers out there who feel the significance of their local support. When the last shreds of those footballers are gone, all you've got is free agency and franchises. We're not far off, but I'd like to try to preserve that gap as long as possible, not explain it away.
I don't agree with you boys here.
What are the lads options? Hull? Fuck that. He's 29, got piss all offers, is no longer in the England squad that are going to a World Cup next year without him, and the biggest club in the World want him.
What would you do? Go to Hull, Bolton, or some other shite club to appease the 50% of Liverpool fans that don't mind you, or try to get something out of the last few years of your career by joining a great club?
He's got very few options, out of which this is his best one.
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I read this post before I saw your avatar, and knew you wrote it. Perhaps true, but contrarian and more objective than thou...
Owen has conducted himself in a rational self interested way in all respects, as have his advisers. He engineered putting himself in the drivers seat twice, and financially he has been vindicated. On the footballing side he's produced absolutely nothing recently and showed no passion as his team got relegated. This is why he'll never be a legend, and won't be remembered as one of the greats, despite all of his clinical finishing and clinical professionalism. If he were still a great player, he would have showed it.
This decision making worked financially so far, and perhaps it will lead him out of it. His advisers will squeeze all the last drops out of their once proud brand, Owen will get a few pictures taken of him and say every last diplomatic thing about Liverpool, and about Manchester United.
Owen isn't a cunt, he's nothing. He's one of many fairly soulless footballers. How could I hate him, when he invests so little personally into any team he's playing for?
The idea that you'd just shrug your shoulders at this and just say, well that's the way it is, he's just making a good decision, ignores the fact that he's here in every respect because of his own clinical doings. Maybe you can appreciate his motivation now, but that we should just shrug our shoulders if his mercenary status is underscored ignores the fact that there are still proper footballers out there who feel the significance of their local support. When the last shreds of those footballers are gone, all you've got is free agency and franchises. We're not far off, but I'd like to try to preserve that gap as long as possible, not explain it away.
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=34487.msg899171#msg899171 date=1246592410]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=34487.msg899140#msg899140 date=1246580775]
I don't agree with you boys here.
What are the lads options? Hull? Fuck that. He's 29, got piss all offers, is no longer in the England squad that are going to a World Cup next year without him, and the biggest club in the World want him.
What would you do? Go to Hull, Bolton, or some other shite club to appease the 50% of Liverpool fans that don't mind you, or try to get something out of the last few years of your career by joining a great club?
[/quote]
I read this post before I saw your avatar, and knew you wrote it. Perhaps true, but contrarian and more objective than thou...
Owen has conducted himself in a rational self interested way in all respects, as have his advisers. He engineered putting himself in the drivers seat twice, and financially he has been vindicated. On the footballing side he's produced absolutely nothing recently and showed no passion as his team got relegated. This is why he'll never be a legend, and won't be remembered as one of the greats, despite all of his clinical finishing and clinical professionalism. If he were still a great player, he would have showed it.
This decision making worked financially so far, and perhaps it will lead him out of it. His advisers will squeeze all the last drops out of their once proud brand, Owen will get a few pictures taken of him and say every last diplomatic thing about Liverpool, and about Manchester United.
Owen isn't a cunt, he's nothing. He's one of many fairly soulless footballers. How could I hate him, when he invests so little personally into any team he's playing for?
The idea that you'd just shrug your shoulders at this and just say, well that's the way it is, he's just making a good decision, ignores the fact that he's here in every respect because of his own clinical doings. Maybe you can appreciate his motivation now, but that we should just shrug our shoulders if his mercenary status is underscored ignores the fact that there are still proper footballers out there who feel the significance of their local support. When the last shreds of those footballers are gone, all you've got is free agency and franchises. We're not far off, but I'd like to try to preserve that gap as long as possible, not explain it away.
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Maybe I'm naive, or maybe you're auditioning for a role as chief propagandist with some news medium - but I don't believe Owen to be a mercenary.
He left us cos we were shite and he wanted better things. The club were happy to sell him at the time, and needed the money. That we didn't get more for him isn't really Owen's issue, he wasn't the selling club was he? He was a super player for us over many years, and was entitled to leave if he so wished. It's easily forgotten that in the same summer Gerrard had to be talked out of leaving the club, as he wanted out too.
It was plain for all to see that he wanted to come back to us after his year in Madrid, but we couldn't finance the deal. Again, not his fault.
Since then, he's been treated like dirt by supporters who once revered him. For what reason? I'm still at a loss to this.
Maybe he wasn't a cheeky chappie, maybe his uber-performances for England were prioritised, whatever the reason - he didn't deserve the booing and ridicule from 'the game's most knowledgable fans'.
His career's obviously been on the decline, he's suffered with injuries, he's played for a shite club, he's lost his place in the national squad, and he's got limited options. Along comes Ferguson.
It's easy for Liverpool supporters to sit and point the finger accusingly, but if you were him right now, what would you do? Go to Hull, and retain the respect of the minority of Liverpool supporters who didn't boo him, or go to the best team in the country?
For fans that turned their back on him years ago to now take the moral high horse when he wants to prolong his career is hypocrisy of the highest order.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=34487.msg899140#msg899140 date=1246580775]
I don't agree with you boys here.
What are the lads options? Hull? Fuck that. He's 29, got piss all offers, is no longer in the England squad that are going to a World Cup next year without him, and the biggest club in the World want him.
What would you do? Go to Hull, Bolton, or some other shite club to appease the 50% of Liverpool fans that don't mind you, or try to get something out of the last few years of your career by joining a great club?
[/quote]
I read this post before I saw your avatar, and knew you wrote it. Perhaps true, but contrarian and more objective than thou...
Owen has conducted himself in a rational self interested way in all respects, as have his advisers. He engineered putting himself in the drivers seat twice, and financially he has been vindicated. On the footballing side he's produced absolutely nothing recently and showed no passion as his team got relegated. This is why he'll never be a legend, and won't be remembered as one of the greats, despite all of his clinical finishing and clinical professionalism. If he were still a great player, he would have showed it.
This decision making worked financially so far, and perhaps it will lead him out of it. His advisers will squeeze all the last drops out of their once proud brand, Owen will get a few pictures taken of him and say every last diplomatic thing about Liverpool, and about Manchester United.
Owen isn't a cunt, he's nothing. He's one of many fairly soulless footballers. How could I hate him, when he invests so little personally into any team he's playing for?
The idea that you'd just shrug your shoulders at this and just say, well that's the way it is, he's just making a good decision, ignores the fact that he's here in every respect because of his own clinical doings. Maybe you can appreciate his motivation now, but that we should just shrug our shoulders if his mercenary status is underscored ignores the fact that there are still proper footballers out there who feel the significance of their local support. When the last shreds of those footballers are gone, all you've got is free agency and franchises. We're not far off, but I'd like to try to preserve that gap as long as possible, not explain it away.
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Maybe I'm naive, or maybe you're auditioning for a role as chief propagandist with some news medium - but I don't believe Owen to be a mercenary.
He left us cos we were shite and he wanted better things. The club were happy to sell him at the time, and needed the money. That we didn't get more for him isn't really Owen's issue, he wasn't the selling club was he? He was a super player for us over many years, and was entitled to leave if he so wished. It's easily forgotten that in the same summer Gerrard had to be talked out of leaving the club, as he wanted out too.
It was plain for all to see that he wanted to come back to us after his year in Madrid, but we couldn't finance the deal. Again, not his fault.
Since then, he's been treated like dirt by supporters who once revered him. For what reason? I'm still at a loss to this.
Maybe he wasn't a cheeky chappie, maybe his uber-performances for England were prioritised, whatever the reason - he didn't deserve the booing and ridicule from 'the game's most knowledgable fans'.
His career's obviously been on the decline, he's suffered with injuries, he's played for a shite club, he's lost his place in the national squad, and he's got limited options. Along comes Ferguson.
It's easy for Liverpool supporters to sit and point the finger accusingly, but if you were him right now, what would you do? Go to Hull, and retain the respect of the minority of Liverpool supporters who didn't boo him, or go to the best team in the country?
For fans that turned their back on him years ago to now take the moral high horse when he wants to prolong his career is hypocrisy of the highest order.
Nail on head Ryan.
Splash 8 - 10M on a decent striker ? Blow 15 - 20M and a very good striker ? Or have MO for zero but wages as back up to Torres ? He'd get plenty of games, retain his place in the England squad and maybe, just maybe, help us win the PL and pick up a medal or two as well.
I'd have him back in an instant.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=34487.msg899172#msg899172 date=1246593970]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=34487.msg899171#msg899171 date=1246592410]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=34487.msg899140#msg899140 date=1246580775]
I don't agree with you boys here.
What are the lads options? Hull? Fuck that. He's 29, got piss all offers, is no longer in the England squad that are going to a World Cup next year without him, and the biggest club in the World want him.
What would you do? Go to Hull, Bolton, or some other shite club to appease the 50% of Liverpool fans that don't mind you, or try to get something out of the last few years of your career by joining a great club?
[/quote]
I read this post before I saw your avatar, and knew you wrote it. Perhaps true, but contrarian and more objective than thou...
Owen has conducted himself in a rational self interested way in all respects, as have his advisers. He engineered putting himself in the drivers seat twice, and financially he has been vindicated. On the footballing side he's produced absolutely nothing recently and showed no passion as his team got relegated. This is why he'll never be a legend, and won't be remembered as one of the greats, despite all of his clinical finishing and clinical professionalism. If he were still a great player, he would have showed it.
This decision making worked financially so far, and perhaps it will lead him out of it. His advisers will squeeze all the last drops out of their once proud brand, Owen will get a few pictures taken of him and say every last diplomatic thing about Liverpool, and about Manchester United.
Owen isn't a cunt, he's nothing. He's one of many fairly soulless footballers. How could I hate him, when he invests so little personally into any team he's playing for?
The idea that you'd just shrug your shoulders at this and just say, well that's the way it is, he's just making a good decision, ignores the fact that he's here in every respect because of his own clinical doings. Maybe you can appreciate his motivation now, but that we should just shrug our shoulders if his mercenary status is underscored ignores the fact that there are still proper footballers out there who feel the significance of their local support. When the last shreds of those footballers are gone, all you've got is free agency and franchises. We're not far off, but I'd like to try to preserve that gap as long as possible, not explain it away.
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Maybe I'm naive, or maybe you're auditioning for a role as chief propagandist with some news medium - but I don't believe Owen to be a mercenary.
He left us cos we were shite and he wanted better things. The club were happy to sell him at the time, and needed the money. That we didn't get more for him isn't really Owen's issue, he wasn't the selling club was he? He was a super player for us over many years, and was entitled to leave if he so wished. It's easily forgotten that in the same summer Gerrard had to be talked out of leaving the club, as he wanted out too.
It was plain for all to see that he wanted to come back to us after his year in Madrid, but we couldn't finance the deal. Again, not his fault.
Since then, he's been treated like dirt by supporters who once revered him. For what reason? I'm still at a loss to this.
Maybe he wasn't a cheeky chappie, maybe his uber-performances for England were prioritised, whatever the reason - he didn't deserve the booing and ridicule from 'the game's most knowledgable fans'.
His career's obviously been on the decline, he's suffered with injuries, he's played for a shite club, he's lost his place in the national squad, and he's got limited options. Along comes Ferguson.
It's easy for Liverpool supporters to sit and point the finger accusingly, but if you were him right now, what would you do? Go to Hull, and retain the respect of the minority of Liverpool supporters who didn't boo him, or go to the best team in the country?
For fans that turned their back on him years ago to now take the moral high horse when he wants to prolong his career is hypocrisy of the highest order.
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Fans that turned their back on him did so because perhaps they can't casually accept your logic that it was OK for him to leave because we were shit, especially when he won nothing, and we won big ears. What sort of fan would? Should no fan have even a unreasonable expectation of loyalty? Is that what you really want out of football?
They turned their back on him after he made the exact same sort of decision he may be making now. I'm not surprised, I can understand it, as he has been quite consistent throughout his career with this sort of thing. It makes him not particularly likable or particularly hated. It isn't about a moral high ground, it's about him continuing to reveal his motivations. Why should I ignore all the decisions that lead to his being in this situation, take them as unavoidable, and evaluate this decision in a vacuum? Fans would have a lot sympathy for the position he's in now, and his limited choices, if it wasn't cynical business thinking about Owen the brand that landed him in this position.
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=34487.msg899140#msg899140 date=1246580775]
I don't agree with you boys here.
What are the lads options? Hull? Fuck that. He's 29, got piss all offers, is no longer in the England squad that are going to a World Cup next year without him, and the biggest club in the World want him.
What would you do? Go to Hull, Bolton, or some other shite club to appease the 50% of Liverpool fans that don't mind you, or try to get something out of the last few years of your career by joining a great club?
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I read this post before I saw your avatar, and knew you wrote it. Perhaps true, but contrarian and more objective than thou...
Owen has conducted himself in a rational self interested way in all respects, as have his advisers. He engineered putting himself in the drivers seat twice, and financially he has been vindicated. On the footballing side he's produced absolutely nothing recently and showed no passion as his team got relegated. This is why he'll never be a legend, and won't be remembered as one of the greats, despite all of his clinical finishing and clinical professionalism. If he were still a great player, he would have showed it.
This decision making worked financially so far, and perhaps it will lead him out of it. His advisers will squeeze all the last drops out of their once proud brand, Owen will get a few pictures taken of him and say every last diplomatic thing about Liverpool, and about Manchester United.
Owen isn't a cunt, he's nothing. He's one of many fairly soulless footballers. How could I hate him, when he invests so little personally into any team he's playing for?
The idea that you'd just shrug your shoulders at this and just say, well that's the way it is, he's just making a good decision, ignores the fact that he's here in every respect because of his own clinical doings. Maybe you can appreciate his motivation now, but that we should just shrug our shoulders if his mercenary status is underscored ignores the fact that there are still proper footballers out there who feel the significance of their local support. When the last shreds of those footballers are gone, all you've got is free agency and franchises. We're not far off, but I'd like to try to preserve that gap as long as possible, not explain it away.
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Maybe I'm naive, or maybe you're auditioning for a role as chief propagandist with some news medium - but I don't believe Owen to be a mercenary.
He left us cos we were shite and he wanted better things. The club were happy to sell him at the time, and needed the money. That we didn't get more for him isn't really Owen's issue, he wasn't the selling club was he? He was a super player for us over many years, and was entitled to leave if he so wished. It's easily forgotten that in the same summer Gerrard had to be talked out of leaving the club, as he wanted out too.
It was plain for all to see that he wanted to come back to us after his year in Madrid, but we couldn't finance the deal. Again, not his fault.
Since then, he's been treated like dirt by supporters who once revered him. For what reason? I'm still at a loss to this.
Maybe he wasn't a cheeky chappie, maybe his uber-performances for England were prioritised, whatever the reason - he didn't deserve the booing and ridicule from 'the game's most knowledgable fans'.
His career's obviously been on the decline, he's suffered with injuries, he's played for a shite club, he's lost his place in the national squad, and he's got limited options. Along comes Ferguson.
It's easy for Liverpool supporters to sit and point the finger accusingly, but if you were him right now, what would you do? Go to Hull, and retain the respect of the minority of Liverpool supporters who didn't boo him, or go to the best team in the country?
For fans that turned their back on him years ago to now take the moral high horse when he wants to prolong his career is hypocrisy of the highest order.
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Fans that turned their back on him did so because perhaps they can't casually accept your logic that it was OK for him to leave because we were shit, especially when he won nothing, and we won big ears. What sort of fan would? Should no fan have even a unreasonable expectation of loyalty? Is that what you really want out of football?
They turned their back on him after he made the exact same sort of decision he may be making now. I'm not surprised, I can understand it, as he has been quite consistent throughout his career with this sort of thing. It makes him not particularly likable or particularly hated. It isn't about a moral high ground, it's about him continuing to reveal his motivations. Why should I ignore all the decisions that lead to his being in this situation, take them as unavoidable, and evaluate this decision in a vacuum? Fans would have a lot sympathy for the position he's in now, and his limited choices, if it wasn't cynical business thinking about Owen the brand that landed him in this position.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=34487.msg899172#msg899172 date=1246593970]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=34487.msg899171#msg899171 date=1246592410]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=34487.msg899140#msg899140 date=1246580775]
I don't agree with you boys here.
What are the lads options? Hull? Fuck that. He's 29, got piss all offers, is no longer in the England squad that are going to a World Cup next year without him, and the biggest club in the World want him.
What would you do? Go to Hull, Bolton, or some other shite club to appease the 50% of Liverpool fans that don't mind you, or try to get something out of the last few years of your career by joining a great club?
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I read this post before I saw your avatar, and knew you wrote it. Perhaps true, but contrarian and more objective than thou...
Owen has conducted himself in a rational self interested way in all respects, as have his advisers. He engineered putting himself in the drivers seat twice, and financially he has been vindicated. On the footballing side he's produced absolutely nothing recently and showed no passion as his team got relegated. This is why he'll never be a legend, and won't be remembered as one of the greats, despite all of his clinical finishing and clinical professionalism. If he were still a great player, he would have showed it.
This decision making worked financially so far, and perhaps it will lead him out of it. His advisers will squeeze all the last drops out of their once proud brand, Owen will get a few pictures taken of him and say every last diplomatic thing about Liverpool, and about Manchester United.
Owen isn't a cunt, he's nothing. He's one of many fairly soulless footballers. How could I hate him, when he invests so little personally into any team he's playing for?
The idea that you'd just shrug your shoulders at this and just say, well that's the way it is, he's just making a good decision, ignores the fact that he's here in every respect because of his own clinical doings. Maybe you can appreciate his motivation now, but that we should just shrug our shoulders if his mercenary status is underscored ignores the fact that there are still proper footballers out there who feel the significance of their local support. When the last shreds of those footballers are gone, all you've got is free agency and franchises. We're not far off, but I'd like to try to preserve that gap as long as possible, not explain it away.
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Maybe I'm naive, or maybe you're auditioning for a role as chief propagandist with some news medium - but I don't believe Owen to be a mercenary.
He left us cos we were shite and he wanted better things. The club were happy to sell him at the time, and needed the money. That we didn't get more for him isn't really Owen's issue, he wasn't the selling club was he? He was a super player for us over many years, and was entitled to leave if he so wished. It's easily forgotten that in the same summer Gerrard had to be talked out of leaving the club, as he wanted out too.
It was plain for all to see that he wanted to come back to us after his year in Madrid, but we couldn't finance the deal. Again, not his fault.
Since then, he's been treated like dirt by supporters who once revered him. For what reason? I'm still at a loss to this.
Maybe he wasn't a cheeky chappie, maybe his uber-performances for England were prioritised, whatever the reason - he didn't deserve the booing and ridicule from 'the game's most knowledgable fans'.
His career's obviously been on the decline, he's suffered with injuries, he's played for a shite club, he's lost his place in the national squad, and he's got limited options. Along comes Ferguson.
It's easy for Liverpool supporters to sit and point the finger accusingly, but if you were him right now, what would you do? Go to Hull, and retain the respect of the minority of Liverpool supporters who didn't boo him, or go to the best team in the country?
For fans that turned their back on him years ago to now take the moral high horse when he wants to prolong his career is hypocrisy of the highest order.
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I'm genuinely amazed that you're trying to argue black is white.
Owen is a mercenary. Always has been ,always will be.
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=34487.msg899171#msg899171 date=1246592410]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=34487.msg899140#msg899140 date=1246580775]
I don't agree with you boys here.
What are the lads options? Hull? Fuck that. He's 29, got piss all offers, is no longer in the England squad that are going to a World Cup next year without him, and the biggest club in the World want him.
What would you do? Go to Hull, Bolton, or some other shite club to appease the 50% of Liverpool fans that don't mind you, or try to get something out of the last few years of your career by joining a great club?
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I read this post before I saw your avatar, and knew you wrote it. Perhaps true, but contrarian and more objective than thou...
Owen has conducted himself in a rational self interested way in all respects, as have his advisers. He engineered putting himself in the drivers seat twice, and financially he has been vindicated. On the footballing side he's produced absolutely nothing recently and showed no passion as his team got relegated. This is why he'll never be a legend, and won't be remembered as one of the greats, despite all of his clinical finishing and clinical professionalism. If he were still a great player, he would have showed it.
This decision making worked financially so far, and perhaps it will lead him out of it. His advisers will squeeze all the last drops out of their once proud brand, Owen will get a few pictures taken of him and say every last diplomatic thing about Liverpool, and about Manchester United.
Owen isn't a cunt, he's nothing. He's one of many fairly soulless footballers. How could I hate him, when he invests so little personally into any team he's playing for?
The idea that you'd just shrug your shoulders at this and just say, well that's the way it is, he's just making a good decision, ignores the fact that he's here in every respect because of his own clinical doings. Maybe you can appreciate his motivation now, but that we should just shrug our shoulders if his mercenary status is underscored ignores the fact that there are still proper footballers out there who feel the significance of their local support. When the last shreds of those footballers are gone, all you've got is free agency and franchises. We're not far off, but I'd like to try to preserve that gap as long as possible, not explain it away.
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Maybe I'm naive, or maybe you're auditioning for a role as chief propagandist with some news medium - but I don't believe Owen to be a mercenary.
He left us cos we were shite and he wanted better things. The club were happy to sell him at the time, and needed the money. That we didn't get more for him isn't really Owen's issue, he wasn't the selling club was he? He was a super player for us over many years, and was entitled to leave if he so wished. It's easily forgotten that in the same summer Gerrard had to be talked out of leaving the club, as he wanted out too.
It was plain for all to see that he wanted to come back to us after his year in Madrid, but we couldn't finance the deal. Again, not his fault.
Since then, he's been treated like dirt by supporters who once revered him. For what reason? I'm still at a loss to this.
Maybe he wasn't a cheeky chappie, maybe his uber-performances for England were prioritised, whatever the reason - he didn't deserve the booing and ridicule from 'the game's most knowledgable fans'.
His career's obviously been on the decline, he's suffered with injuries, he's played for a shite club, he's lost his place in the national squad, and he's got limited options. Along comes Ferguson.
It's easy for Liverpool supporters to sit and point the finger accusingly, but if you were him right now, what would you do? Go to Hull, and retain the respect of the minority of Liverpool supporters who didn't boo him, or go to the best team in the country?
For fans that turned their back on him years ago to now take the moral high horse when he wants to prolong his career is hypocrisy of the highest order.
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I'm genuinely amazed that you're trying to argue black is white.
Owen is a mercenary. Always has been ,always will be.
Ryan, the team in decline thathe jumped ship from to join Madrid won the Champions League that year. Had he excercised a little patience maybe he too would have been part of it. New manager, etc? I'm with Farky on this in that my opinion of this is 'meh, so what'. My mild mannered barcode supporting stepdad is gutted that they hosed £18m plus £120k per week and got such a poor return.
I'd wish him well if he went anywhere but there, despite his exploits for us which are just a distant memory.
I'd wish him well if he went anywhere but there, despite his exploits for us which are just a distant memory.
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Splash 8 - 10M on a decent striker ? Blow 15 - 20M and a very good striker ? Or have MO for zero but wages as back up to Torres ? He'd get plenty of games, retain his place in the England squad and maybe, just maybe, help us win the PL and pick up a medal or two as well.
I'd have him back in an instant.
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No chance Froggy. Owen is a veritable shadow of the player who in the past might have contributed to a title challenge. If he came here I'd suspect even his most ardent fans would end up turning on him as Torres back-up. The gulf between a fit Torres and the Owen of 2009 would be excruciating to watch.
Nail on head Ryan.
Splash 8 - 10M on a decent striker ? Blow 15 - 20M and a very good striker ? Or have MO for zero but wages as back up to Torres ? He'd get plenty of games, retain his place in the England squad and maybe, just maybe, help us win the PL and pick up a medal or two as well.
I'd have him back in an instant.
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No chance Froggy. Owen is a veritable shadow of the player who in the past might have contributed to a title challenge. If he came here I'd suspect even his most ardent fans would end up turning on him as Torres back-up. The gulf between a fit Torres and the Owen of 2009 would be excruciating to watch.
I'll be quite pleased if he goes to the scum as it'll confirm he's a cunt, and, I'd much rather the scum use a washed up, has been striker to replace the waiter's goals than someone like Eto'/Villa/Benzema/Aguero - They'd be far more dangerous with someone decent.
Owen scored some great and important goals for us, and I'll appreciate that service, but why people can't see he is and always was an utter cunt and stitched the club with his contract is beyond me. He's got absolutely no loyatly or ties to this club, and as rightly mentioned, this sort of behaviour wouldn't have happened with someone like Fowler or Carra who love the club like we do.
I like this:
Owen scored some great and important goals for us, and I'll appreciate that service, but why people can't see he is and always was an utter cunt and stitched the club with his contract is beyond me. He's got absolutely no loyatly or ties to this club, and as rightly mentioned, this sort of behaviour wouldn't have happened with someone like Fowler or Carra who love the club like we do.
I like this:
I'm afraid that I'm with Ryan in that I wouldn't blame him one bit for moving to Utd and what's more, it wouldn't feel weird and it wouldn't bother me.
I loved Owen when he played for us and never quite got into that whole "he's not one of us" mentality that seemed to prevail amongst some sections of the fans. He was a star player - a hugely exciting talent - and helped put us back on the map in a less than glamorous era. I was proud that he played for us back then, particularly when he was doing for well England.
That all changed when he left. There was that transitional period where we (or I) still cared about what he did, namely his year at Madrid... wanting to make sure that we were the better off party in the break up so to speak. After that subsided (and it was proved that we were), ties were effectively severed and he was no longer one of us. He drifted off into a void at Newcastle and the "Owen to come back" threads aside, his name was mainly used as a punchline.
Why shouldn't he move to Man Utd? Out of loyalty? Loyalty to whom and for what?
The Liverpool fans that would take him back, but only if if it didn't affect anything else... and we wouldn't have to pay him... and he only played 0.123 games in the season... and he didn't show his face at Melwood. Come on... he's 29, he's just been relegated, his career is in the shitter, he's got fuck all to show for the last five years and most importantly, there is no love left at Anfield.
If I was him, it'd be one of the easiest decisions I ever made.
I loved Owen when he played for us and never quite got into that whole "he's not one of us" mentality that seemed to prevail amongst some sections of the fans. He was a star player - a hugely exciting talent - and helped put us back on the map in a less than glamorous era. I was proud that he played for us back then, particularly when he was doing for well England.
That all changed when he left. There was that transitional period where we (or I) still cared about what he did, namely his year at Madrid... wanting to make sure that we were the better off party in the break up so to speak. After that subsided (and it was proved that we were), ties were effectively severed and he was no longer one of us. He drifted off into a void at Newcastle and the "Owen to come back" threads aside, his name was mainly used as a punchline.
Why shouldn't he move to Man Utd? Out of loyalty? Loyalty to whom and for what?
The Liverpool fans that would take him back, but only if if it didn't affect anything else... and we wouldn't have to pay him... and he only played 0.123 games in the season... and he didn't show his face at Melwood. Come on... he's 29, he's just been relegated, his career is in the shitter, he's got fuck all to show for the last five years and most importantly, there is no love left at Anfield.
If I was him, it'd be one of the easiest decisions I ever made.
'Sky Sports News understands that Michael Owen underwent an initial examination on his knee on Thursday and will undergo a full medical later today before completing his surprise free transfer switch to Manchester United.'
Now to all you 'dickwads' out there who say.. Owen is a has been... etc etc..
Form is Temporary, Class is Permanant...!!!
Owen will be UTD's new Teddy Sheringham!!! mark my words.. Fergie has the habit in getting the best out of his players... There is no doubt he will score goals for the scum!!!
Now to all you 'dickwads' out there who say.. Owen is a has been... etc etc..
Form is Temporary, Class is Permanant...!!!
Owen will be UTD's new Teddy Sheringham!!! mark my words.. Fergie has the habit in getting the best out of his players... There is no doubt he will score goals for the scum!!!
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