Nonplussed

[mark1975]

Am I the only one who feels that way about all of this? I don't know whether I've just hit a low last season and I now feel like things can surely only get better (even though I know they could actually get horribly worse), but I just feel a bit 'meh' about it all.

There's no standout candidate to get het-up over losing out on, everyone carries their own risks (as they often do, but moreso).

Perhaps this is how you start to feel on the managerial merry-go-round, when you've changed managers a few times in quick succession. I'll probably stop myself giving a shit about the next manager and stop bothering to defend him, knowing the inevitable will probably happen anyway. He'll get slated alot, whatever standards he reaches won't be enough, and we'll be here again, sooner or later.

I don't actually feel down about it all btw, I'm still excited for the new season, simply because it'll be new, with new players to temporarily get excited about and we'll have a new leadership in place with different ideals to the last one.

But anyway, *shruggs*.

 

[Fabio]

Honestly, there are no stand out candidates.

But for me I feel like we're on the brink of something special and I don't know why.

I'm really excited but I just want it all sorted now!!

 

[Rafiagra]

I think they've drawn it out so that we reach the point where we've worked ourselves into a frenzy and then just become grateful for any appointment once all the top names have ruled themselves out.

I've now got bored of the whole new manager thing. Plus, it's at the stage now where all the names I wanted have gone so I can't really get excited by who is left.

 

[Squiggles]

I share your sentiment. My interest seriously diluted towards the end of the season, although being in work for a lot of the matches contributed.

That's why I wouldn't be displeased to see Rafa back. I honestly think he would get us back into the Champions League and get us competing again, which is desperately what this club needs. People on this site made snipes at the owners about chasing the money over cups, but only the best players want to play in the Champions League, and only the best players will win you the league. No player joins a club over a Carling Cup or FA Cup win. I doubt they'd give a shit. They want to test themselves at the highest level the game can offer. We need to get back there as quickly as we can.

 

[Squiggles]

I think they've drawn it out so that we reach the point where we've worked ourselves into a frenzy and then just become grateful for any appointment once all the top names have ruled themselves out.

I've now got bored of the whole new manager thing. Plus, it's at the stage now where all the names I wanted have gone so I can't really get excited by who is left.

He was only sacked a week ago.

 

[Tal]

I'm convinced we are heading for years of mediocrity until we finish whatever stadium work is going to happen and it delivers the promised revenues so we can compete financially with our rivals, whom I consider to be Arsenal and Tottenham (because Utd, City and Chelsea are way ahead of us financially).

So, failing getting either of the two managers in the game whom people would fall over themselves to sign for (Mourinho and Guardiola) I'm happy(ish) to take a punt on Martinez and see if he can take an upper-mid-table team into the Top 4, like Pardew nearly did with another traditional upper-mid-table team.

 

[Rafiagra]

He was only sacked a week ago.

I've a short attention sp

 

[themn]

No Tony Stark, no care.

 

[Squiggles]

I've a short attention sp

Being on a forum definitely makes us desperately, needy, immature losers more 'on edge'.

 

[gkmacca]

I've never laughed or sneered at the club in my life, but now that's all I feel. It's been taken over by idiots. I also expect next season for me to be taking the role of all the nuts I used to loathe ranting at the club and the manager and the players. I'd prefer to avoid posting anything, so that's the aim. Even at this bitter stage I can't see why it's worth inflicting it on anyone else.

 

[Hansern]

Why are they idiots Macca? Just being querious like.

 

[Tal]

I've never laughed or sneered at the club in my life, but now that's all I feel. It's been taken over by idiots. I also expect next season for me to be taking the role of all the nuts I used to loathe ranting at the club and the manager and the players. I'd prefer to avoid posting anything, so that's the aim. Even at this bitter stage I can't see why it's worth inflicting it on anyone else.

Do it under a new name (via TOR, to shake off the mods).

 

[gkmacca]

Why are they idiots Macca? Just being querious like.

As I've said on other threads, I don't think they have any coherent ideas as to what they want. Do they want a system that works, or a manager who wins, or both, and do they know how that will work to such an extant as to justify the massive gamble they've taken at this stage? Frankly I'd have more trust in Davey Moores.

 

[Hansern]

Agree with a lot of that, but hopefully there will be aclear and steady direction when all the appointments are made.

 

[gene hughes]

I'm like toaderly like stoked for next season. It's gonna be like toaderly awesome.

 

[OLD_Lewy]

ive got faith in the owners, maybe its blind faith but i dont think theyve done anything so far that warrants anything else. ive also got faith in the direction the club is going but i guess you could say im nonplussed, but i guess ive been a bit meh since we bought all those 'meh' players

 

[gkmacca]

It's blind faith.

 

[RolandG]

Mark is spot on. Last season was a low point in our history. After spending a truckload on new transfers, FSG will rightly be cautious in their spending. Don't forget that there's a pending stadium issue to ponder.

In the absence of coaching heavy weights Guardiola and Mourinho, winning options like Klopp and De Boer are tied down. Martinez is a footballing man and a student of the game (read the Martinez thread for a reference). He has shown a great footballing philosophy wherever he's been and can add an exciting dimension to our game.

All the top coaches had to start somewhere. However, the DoF appointment will be key and that's what we must get right. FSG need to convince LVG with their footballing vision and strategy to get him to move upstairs and shelf his coaching ambitions.

 

[mark1975]

Agreed Roland. You touched on FSG being cautious with their spending, I think that's exactly why the DoF role now seems so important and is pointing towards an experienced guy who's managed to some degree of success, probably with younger sides or focus on bringing players through from Academy's quite regularly (like at Ajax). So it's two fold, someone who can recognise young up and coming talent both in the youth sides and elsewhere, and someone who is able to work within a budget and provide less of a risk in the transfer market. In tandem with a young manager, which lets face it, is what the strongest candidates are.

So perhaps all these managers who've "turned us down" haven't even been approached, or maybe, have made their availability known, only to be told they don't fit our criteria for what we're looking for and trying to build.

 

[Farkmaster]

I'll be excited for the new season later. I'm sure I'll get sucked into the Euros when they come around.

But I'm moving, I've had an extra full time job in the form of editing my wife's dissertation for the last month, I've got 16 work days left till I have 3 months off, and I'm going on a canoe trip I've been thinking about for years.

I'll have the summer off from Liverpool largely. By the time I get back, we'll have already played a couple games, and the camps will have already formed. You'll all be already getting sick of each other, however people will still have hope, and it'll all be fresh to me. I'll miss figuring which Oncy we'll get next season, and I'll miss the 300 page long thread about a player we don't buy, and the various players we pay to play elsewhere.

If there's already a "thanks for the (barely funny) (insert new manager) now fuck off" thread when I rejoin civilization mid September, I'll not be happy.

The games are on 3 hours later though. I reckon watching us draw 0-0 with Wigan at 745AM is about the same as beating them 1-0 at 445. So I can't lose.

 

[Oncy]

I can answer a part of that for you Farkle me old mucker.
Oncy will be unbearably positive next season.
I'll be spinning 3-0 losses until youre all like 'Yeah good result that'.

Im soooo excited. My reason is this.
I didnt want Kenny in charge (much as I love the man and wanted him to succeed) he didnt strike me either as the man the owners wanted. They took over the club and had a vision for what they wanted, which was basically a soccer version of their existing model. Giving Kenny the caretaker role basically ruined that for them. His results were so strong that they almost had to hire him in the wave of fan euphoria. So they hired a man they didnt want to fullfil a role they didnt want (manager not coach) and allowed their entire idea to be stillborn.
I honestly think that we will now see what they intended when they took over. It excites me greatly because this is the chance to see if these owners who did it for baseball can do it for football.
In Kenny we trust was just that, the hope that one man who had been out of the game for a long time could get it right at the expense of the structure we were originally penned to have.
In the structure we trust is a different thing altogether.
I think we will see the model we were meant to have when these owners bought the club.
That in itself is exciting. They paid 250m or whatever for the club and the only way they start to make a return on that is by moving us up the table.
Obviously i have my preferences for the positions vacant but im going to support whomever is the incumbents for both jobs.
That plus im hoping we see the correct transfer policy now, one that was scraped when kenny took over.

 

[RolandG]

I can answer a part of that for you Farkle me old mucker.
Oncy will be unbearably positive next season.
I'll be spinning 3-0 losses until youre all like 'Yeah good result that'.

Im soooo excited. My reason is this.
I didnt want Kenny in charge (much as I love the man and wanted him to succeed) he didnt strike me either as the man the owners wanted. They took over the club and had a vision for what they wanted, which was basically a soccer version of their existing model. Giving Kenny the caretaker role basically ruined that for them. His results were so strong that they almost had to hire him in the wave of fan euphoria. So they hired a man they didnt want to fullfil a role they didnt want (manager not coach) and allowed their entire idea to be stillborn.
I honestly think that we will now see what they intended when they took over. It excites me greatly because this is the chance to see if these owners who did it for baseball can do it for football.
In Kenny we trust was just that, the hope that one man who had been out of the game for a long time could get it right at the expense of the structure we were originally penned to have.
In the structure we trust is a different thing altogether.
I think we will see the model we were meant to have when these owners bought the club.
That in itself is exciting. They paid 250m or whatever for the club and the only way they start to make a return on that is by moving us up the table.
Obviously i have my preferences for the positions vacant but im going to support whomever is the incumbents for both jobs.
That plus im hoping we see the correct transfer policy now, one that was scraped when kenny took over.

Welcome back Dumbledore!

 

[Frogfish]

They want to test themselves at the highest level get as much money out of the game as it can possibly offer. We need to get back there as quickly as we can.

Amended that for you.

 

[localny]

I'm taking some time off. Work is mad, kids are getting older, and supporting LFC is just too disappointing at the minute, to be as consumed by it as I was. I'll be trying to care a little less, but I don;t know if it will happen. Honestly, if Martinez or someone else equally as uninspiring is appointed, I'll be gone. For me the next manager has to be able to attract players since we are not in the CL. I don't see a young up and comer being able to do that. I won't be doing a Martinez out thread. It'll be a localny out one instead.

 

[Squiggles]

Amended that for you.

That's overly cynical.

 

[Frogfish]

That's overly cynical.

Is it ? For the vast majority I don't think it is.

 

[Insignificance]

I am confident Ian Ayre will cover for the local interests when assisting John Werner on who to interview... Together they will sort this to the very best for the soccer-branch-of-fenway-sports-group.