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[quote author=crump link=topic=41445.msg1155503#msg1155503 date=1281958002]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41445.msg1155472#msg1155472 date=1281955758]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41445.msg1155372#msg1155372 date=1281945275]
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=41445.msg1155371#msg1155371 date=1281945141]
Is he better than Babel?
[/quote]Who isn't?
[/quote]

n'gog is playing though the middle, put him (ngog) in a wide position and see how well he does.
[/quote]

Ngog would be a fucking boss winger, miles better than that useless lazy moaning twat Babel
[/quote]

ngog would make an ace winger, er, what?
 
Course he would. He can control the ball and go past people - you know the prerequisites that Babel left in Amsterdam.
 
[quote author=crump link=topic=41445.msg1155509#msg1155509 date=1281958388]
Course he would. He can control the ball and go past people - you know the prerequisites that Babel left in Amsterdam.
[/quote]

He wouldn't be an ace winger. In any case, I'd prefer it if he concentrated on being a better striker.
 
[quote author=crump link=topic=41445.msg1155466#msg1155466 date=1281954612]
Ngog is actually dead fucking good. He does the stuff you can't learn very well and is learning the stuff you can quite quickly. We'd have been fucked without him so far this season.
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I agree with the last bit.
I also agree to an extend about his ability.
What worries me is he is still so lightweight and is pushed around so very easily. Added to that, and yesterday highlighted it, he get caught offside more than Heskey and Cisse put together.
Perhaps there is something in your winger idea where those two major concerns would not be such an issue.
I still remain pretty unconvinced and we need to bring in another striker pdq


regards
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41445.msg1155508#msg1155508 date=1281958268]
[quote author=crump link=topic=41445.msg1155503#msg1155503 date=1281958002]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41445.msg1155472#msg1155472 date=1281955758]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41445.msg1155372#msg1155372 date=1281945275]
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=41445.msg1155371#msg1155371 date=1281945141]
Is he better than Babel?
[/quote]Who isn't?
[/quote]

n'gog is playing though the middle, put him (ngog) in a wide position and see how well he does.
[/quote]

Ngog would be a fucking boss winger, miles better than that useless lazy moaning twat Babel
[/quote]

ngog would make an ace winger, er, what?
[/quote]

It's a stupid argument, because Babel has proven himself as shite time and time again in every role he's played. He's not gonna suddenly develop a first touch, anticipation, awareness or indeed a brain if he's played more centrally, infact, players with pace generally thrive from pulling wide because that's where they usually find space to run into, Torres does it, N'Gog does it on occasion. Babel struggles taking on a fullback, so why would he be any different in the middle, where arguably he'd be in a more congested area of the pitch? He'd also have to have reasonable intelligence to play on the shoulder of the last defender and beat the offside trap.
 
[quote author=crump link=topic=41445.msg1155509#msg1155509 date=1281958388]
Course he would. He can control the ball and go past people - you know the prerequisites that Babel left in Amsterdam.
[/quote]

I don't think he'd make a good winger at all and I'll leave it there, I have no idea why babel has even been brought up. ngog played and scored, babel didn't even figure so why is he (babel) even being mentioned?
that's the reason I defend babel, not because I rate him but because the critisism is over the top.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41445.msg1155513#msg1155513 date=1281958516]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41445.msg1155508#msg1155508 date=1281958268]
[quote author=crump link=topic=41445.msg1155503#msg1155503 date=1281958002]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41445.msg1155472#msg1155472 date=1281955758]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41445.msg1155372#msg1155372 date=1281945275]
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=41445.msg1155371#msg1155371 date=1281945141]
Is he better than Babel?
[/quote]Who isn't?
[/quote]

n'gog is playing though the middle, put him (ngog) in a wide position and see how well he does.
[/quote]

Ngog would be a fucking boss winger, miles better than that useless lazy moaning twat Babel
[/quote]

ngog would make an ace winger, er, what?
[/quote]

It's a stupid argument, because Babel has proven himself as shite time and time again in every role he's played. He's not gonna suddenly develop a first touch, anticipation, awareness or indeed a brain if he's played more centrally, infact, players with pace generally thrive from pulling wide because that's where they usually find space to run into, Torres does it, N'Gog does it on occasion. Babel struggles taking on a fullback, so why would he be any different in the middle, where arguably he'd be in a more congested area of the pitch? He'd also have to have reasonable intelligence to play on the shoulder of the last defender and beat the offside trap.
[/quote]

I really don't want to be drawn into a babel arguement, marky, it's been done to death and everything worth saying has been said.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41445.msg1155516#msg1155516 date=1281958616]
[quote author=crump link=topic=41445.msg1155509#msg1155509 date=1281958388]
Course he would. He can control the ball and go past people - you know the prerequisites that Babel left in Amsterdam.
[/quote]

I don't think he'd make a good winger at all and I'll leave it there
[/quote]

Got to say I agree, his biggest strengths are his movement off the ball and his (occasional) finishing. His ability on the ball with players infront of him is decent at best, he loses possession too easily in those situations, he's much better within the box pouncing on opportunities or when breaking clear of the last defender. He's no winger.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41445.msg1155516#msg1155516 date=1281958616]
[quote author=crump link=topic=41445.msg1155509#msg1155509 date=1281958388]
Course he would. He can control the ball and go past people - you know the prerequisites that Babel left in Amsterdam.
[/quote]

I don't think he'd make a good winger at all and I'll leave it there, I have no idea why babel has even been brought up. ngog played and scored, babel didn't even figure so why is he (babel) even being mentioned?
that's the reason I defend babel, not because I rate him but because the critisism is over the top.
[/quote]Maybe because they are both fringe attacking players for the same club struggling to get into the first 11? Ya know, by comparison like. Isn't it oft said about every single player ever 'Is he better than ...'? Well isn't it? So it's actually got nothing to do with him being 'brought up' and more to do with the fact you still rate the useless wanker?
Don't answer, I already know.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41445.msg1155540#msg1155540 date=1281960708]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41445.msg1155516#msg1155516 date=1281958616]
[quote author=crump link=topic=41445.msg1155509#msg1155509 date=1281958388]
Course he would. He can control the ball and go past people - you know the prerequisites that Babel left in Amsterdam.
[/quote]

I don't think he'd make a good winger at all and I'll leave it there, I have no idea why babel has even been brought up. ngog played and scored, babel didn't even figure so why is he (babel) even being mentioned?
that's the reason I defend babel, not because I rate him but because the critisism is over the top.
[/quote]Maybe because they are both fringe attacking players for the same club struggling to get into the first 11? Ya know, by comparison like. Isn't it oft said about every single player ever 'Is he better than ...'? Well isn't it? So it's actually got nothing to do with him being 'brought up' and more to do with the fact you still rate the useless wanker?
Don't answer, I already know.
[/quote]

you just have to get the last word in, eh oncy? 😉
 
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41445.msg1155513#msg1155513 date=1281958516]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41445.msg1155508#msg1155508 date=1281958268]
[quote author=crump link=topic=41445.msg1155503#msg1155503 date=1281958002]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41445.msg1155472#msg1155472 date=1281955758]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41445.msg1155372#msg1155372 date=1281945275]
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=41445.msg1155371#msg1155371 date=1281945141]
Is he better than Babel?
[/quote]Who isn't?
[/quote]

n'gog is playing though the middle, put him (ngog) in a wide position and see how well he does.
[/quote]

Ngog would be a fucking boss winger, miles better than that useless lazy moaning twat Babel
[/quote]

ngog would make an ace winger, er, what?
[/quote]

It's a stupid argument, because Babel has proven himself as shite time and time again in every role he's played. He's not gonna suddenly develop a first touch, anticipation, awareness or indeed a brain if he's played more centrally, infact, players with pace generally thrive from pulling wide because that's where they usually find space to run into, Torres does it, N'Gog does it on occasion. Babel struggles taking on a fullback, so why would he be any different in the middle, where arguably he'd be in a more congested area of the pitch? He'd also have to have reasonable intelligence to play on the shoulder of the last defender and beat the offside trap.
[/quote]

I really don't want to be drawn into a babel arguement, marky, it's been done to death and everything worth saying has been said.
[/quote]

And you've covered the rest. 😉
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=41445.msg1155163#msg1155163 date=1281897251]
He's still capable of those WTF, Momo-like moments (that 'shot' that went 40ft up in the air) but he's definitely growing on me. I trust Hodgson to help him improve a lot this season.
[/quote]
eh? Wasn't that Carra with the 'backpass' clearance? Or maybe I missed it thanks to the bloody stop-go-stop stream.
Definitely room for improvement. At least he learns from mistakes, e.g. not getting caught offside after a few times in the first half. Goal can only be good for his confidence.
 
N'Gog did hit a skyrocket too at one stage. But I agree, he does seem to be applying himself and learning, though I'd still prefer it if he didn't have to play so often.
 
[quote author=crump link=topic=41445.msg1155522#msg1155522 date=1281959055]
Did anyone say he was shit?
[/quote]

*Raises hand*
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41445.msg1155555#msg1155555 date=1281961915]
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41445.msg1155513#msg1155513 date=1281958516]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41445.msg1155508#msg1155508 date=1281958268]
[quote author=crump link=topic=41445.msg1155503#msg1155503 date=1281958002]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41445.msg1155472#msg1155472 date=1281955758]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41445.msg1155372#msg1155372 date=1281945275]
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=41445.msg1155371#msg1155371 date=1281945141]
Is he better than Babel?
[/quote]Who isn't?
[/quote]

n'gog is playing though the middle, put him (ngog) in a wide position and see how well he does.
[/quote]

Ngog would be a fucking boss winger, miles better than that useless lazy moaning twat Babel
[/quote]

ngog would make an ace winger, er, what?
[/quote]

It's a stupid argument, because Babel has proven himself as shite time and time again in every role he's played. He's not gonna suddenly develop a first touch, anticipation, awareness or indeed a brain if he's played more centrally, infact, players with pace generally thrive from pulling wide because that's where they usually find space to run into, Torres does it, N'Gog does it on occasion. Babel struggles taking on a fullback, so why would he be any different in the middle, where arguably he'd be in a more congested area of the pitch? He'd also have to have reasonable intelligence to play on the shoulder of the last defender and beat the offside trap.
[/quote]

I really don't want to be drawn into a babel arguement, marky, it's been done to death and everything worth saying has been said.
[/quote]

And you've covered the rest. 😉
[/quote]

😉
 
[quote author=crump link=topic=41445.msg1155691#msg1155691 date=1281973624]
At least Ngog has got a boss song. Has Babel even got one?
[/quote]

He thinks he does.
 
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=41445.msg1155695#msg1155695 date=1281973909]
[quote author=crump link=topic=41445.msg1155691#msg1155691 date=1281973624]
At least Ngog has got a boss song. Has Babel even got one?
[/quote]

He thinks he does.
[/quote]

he doesn't need the crowd, he makes his own songs.
 
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