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NFL Regular Season Thread 2010

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[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=41376.msg1211041#msg1211041 date=1288820345]
Is it still austin and williams as one and two? Is bryant in the slot?
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I think Williams has earned that #2 spot this year ... He's played really well and I think has less drops than Austin, who's not really matched last year's production this year.

Next year, they'll probably move Roy on and go with Bryant and Austin, which could be devastating if the OL gives Romo a bit of time to throw.

Despite the 1-6 record, this team is talented enough to be 'fixed' quickly (as in the offseason, not this season).
 
I'd take Roy back if he understood he was #2... Something he had a problem with last time.

I never really liked austin, although everyone seems to be raving about bryant (jimmy johnson said he was the third best receiver in the league last week!)
 
While some may say I'm biased as a Cowboys fan, there aren't many WRs I'd put ahead of Austin in the league. He has everything - he runs routes well, YAC, TDs, blocks well etc ... He doesn't really have a weakness. I think he's at a great level now and he has yet to reach his peak.

Can Dez eclipse that? I honestly don't' know - he looks phenomenal at times and you get the feeling at time Jerry has 'fixed' the Mistake of 'Ellis or Moss,' but time will tell.
 
[quote author=DHSC link=topic=41376.msg1211116#msg1211116 date=1288841414]
Titans pick up Moss off waivers.
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I can't believe that whole situation. What a farce.

I was hoping he'd somehow join the Bengals so we could have weekly ego competitions.
 
Bryant has amazing athletic ability, but he isn't up with the schemes at all. There have been some glaring rookie errors, and I've seen Austin have to tell him where to line up a few times. Obviously, moving from a college playbook to a pro one is a massive leap, and he missed a lot of pre-season and has been out since too. So I'm assuming the rookie mistakes will be ironed out. His upside is ridiculous.
 
[quote author=MC Golgotha link=topic=41376.msg1211280#msg1211280 date=1288871979]

Bryant has amazing athletic ability, but he isn't up with the schemes at all. There have been some glaring rookie errors, and I've seen Austin have to tell him where to line up a few times. Obviously, moving from a college playbook to a pro one is a massive leap, and he missed a lot of pre-season and has been out since too. So I'm assuming the rookie mistakes will be ironed out. His upside is ridiculous.
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So tell me this MC, why did so many teams pass up on him? He doesn't seem to have the baggage that Moss had and he seems like a good, but slightly immature, kid ... What made him slip so far?
 
I don't know that he slipped really. The top ten picks were always going to be defensive players or linesmen outside of Bradford because of the teams who were picking. Certainly none of them were going to take a WR. They all had far more fundamental issues than that to resolve. You can't always look at a player's draft position and take it to be a pure judgement on him as an individual player. There were only three offensive backs taken in the first twenty picks. It was just a very defensive-orientated draft.

Of course, I leave Buffalo out of any generalisations. You can never tell just what the fuck type insanity they're going to conjure up next. Spiller? Really?

Only two receivers went before him, and Gresham is a TE. The other one was Demaryius Thomas, and who in their right mind would try to guess a Josh McDaniels draft? He was never going to follow up trading Marshall by drafting Bryant though. I thought the Patriots might have taken a punt on him, but they did just fine with McCourty.

Then you had the fact that Bryant sat most of his junior year out after the Sanders debacle, and there are questions about his ability to see the big game. He isn't a brilliant reader of coverage and was never the sharpest route runner. Nobody doubts his athletic prowess and his massive upside. It's just he might be a bit of a dope.

I don't think any of these things had as much to do with it as the fact it was just a very strong defensive class though, and six teams took WRs in the first round last year, so they weren't going to again. Context is everything.
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=41376.msg1211449#msg1211449 date=1288891400]
I thought it was all just from character question marks?
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There was a HUGE question mark over his character too...

Many of the teams in the draft were quoted as a saying something like "Top ten talent, wouldn't take him ANYWHERE!". His family background was questionable as well, I think - His Dad was a pimp (really) and his Mom had a police record, I think. And his work ethic at Tech wasn't great either (could have some of this a little wrong - it's been a while since I read up on it...).

But it was character issues that saw him slip, as much as anything. And, good for him, he's been nothing but a model pro since he got here... I think that Jerry was terrified that he'd allow another Randy Moss to slip through his fingers, so he took a chance. And it's one of the only things going right for him this season.
 
He was at Okie State, not Tech.

Jeff Ireland certainly had questions about his character. I'm not sure how seriously anyone else took that stuff. His inability to run sub four-five in the forty on his pro day probably had more to do with it.

But still, you look at the huge pool of defensive/o-line talent that was there and I don't see Bryant being a better match for most of the teams in the first twenty picks.
 
You know far more about American Football than me, MC, but living in Dallas, we were force-fed Dez news, all day, every day around draft time... If practically ALL NFL teams didn't have very real concerns about Bryant's character, then we were all lied to. A lot.
 
Offensive player of the week... A Detroit Lion

Defensive player of the month... A Detroit Lion

Special Teams player of the month... A Detroit Lion


What the fuck's going on?
 
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=41376.msg1211468#msg1211468 date=1288895879]
You know far more about American Football than me, MC, but living in Dallas, we were force-fed Dez news, all day, every day around draft time... If practically ALL NFL teams didn't have very real concerns about Bryant's character, then we were all lied to. A lot.
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For sure, that was the story. But I often wonder how much these things actually matter. A good organisation will look past the bullshit and see what they can do with the player. I mean, if someone is willing to sign Ritchie Incognito, why would they pass on Bryant if he was a need?

Clearly there were areas of concern - his lateness at OS meetings/kick offs etc and his thing with Sanders. But everyone who has spoken to him in person said they were impressed by him, and he comes across just fine when interviewed. And he's been fine at Dallas, so any concerns have been proven unfounded.

I dunno. Maybe I'm just seeing it how I would see it rather than how the organisations actually see it. But the Dolphins took Ted Ginn Jr with the ninth pick once, and he's half retarded. Look how that worked out. I'd take a cocky rookie over that every time.
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=41376.msg1211626#msg1211626 date=1288904265]
Offensive player of the week... A Detroit Lion

Defensive player of the month... A Detroit Lion

Special Teams player of the month... A Detroit Lion


What the fuck's going on?
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Gold stars for the shortbus kid.
 
TCU have destroyed the #5 ranked team in the country, at their place... Surely the get a top 2 ranking now, and a shot at the title game?
 
If Auburn and Oregon stay unbeaten then TCU have no chance. They need someone to lose, and Auburn do have to play at Alabama. Utah weren't really fifth best side in the country though. They were just unbeaten, like TCU and Boise. TCU won't get the kind of jump in the rankings off beating them as Auburn did from handing LSU their first defeat. It'll keep TCU ahead of Boise for the non-BCS conference AQ spot though. VA Tech aren't doing Boise any favours. Which is a shame, because Boise are a better side than TCU and monkeyed them in the Fiesta Bowl last year. I'm surprised more teams haven't followed their blueprint of how to beat them. Dalton is a fairly one dimensional QB. He hurries himself and his schemes can be well covered in the secondary. There's almost no need to blitz on him.

What will be interesting is what happens if Oregon lose the Holy War to Oregon State and Bama beat Auburn. Boise-TCU title game? I think that would be treated as a year off for the BCS. Ideally, Boise would get a shot at whoever goes unbeaten, because I believe they stand a better chance of beating them than TCU. Kellen Moore would shred Oregon and Auburn, and they bring mental trick packages to big games. Moore completed 19 straight at one point against Hawaii yesterday, and threw for over five bills. Their defense shut down Greg Salas, who is a nice receiver. They still have one game left against a ranked opponent (Nevada) and four games left overall. TCU only have two games left against weak opposition, so the Broncos could still jump them. Certainly, if there is only one unbeaten BCS team at the end and Boise go unbeaten, I would expect the human polls to have them at number two. TCU's weeks off won't help them. But the computers will probably see TCU higher. The computers are bullshit.

The BCS will probably contrive exactly the same thing as they did last year though - a Boise-TCU Bowl to keep them away from the big teams. At least from next year one of them will eliminate the other in conference play.
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=41376.msg1212808#msg1212808 date=1289132403]
We're gonna get hammered today, but I'm hoping Ryan's arrogance will leave Revis one on one with Calvin.
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Revis has won the first couple of one on ones 🙁
 
I hate your bloody Lions today, Georgie...

You just gave it away on the final drive with pathetic tackling and that idiotic late-hit penalty. Now the feckin' Jets are back on top.
 
Take your pick of what's wrong with the Cowboys
1) The players have quit on Wade and no longer want to play for him (probable)
2) The players haven't quit on Wade but just don't care (disgraceful if true)
3) The Cowboys aren't that good (who knows)

Whatever the case, yesterday's scoreline is an embarassement and if the Cowboys are that desperate to get the 1st pick in the draft, can they please not make it THIS obvious?
 
Vick and Rivers have been the best players in the league so far.

Suh isn't happy with just taking heads for his belt, so he thought he'd try a little kicking. Probably won't be trying that again.

This whole Cowboys circus is very amusing. Perhaps they really do want Luck to replace Romo next year.

Chicago tried their best to give Buffalo a win, but the Bills just weren't having it. They're racing Dallas for Luck.
 
Good to hear Austin Collie was okay after the game. He got destroyed and it looked bad when they took him off strapped down so he couldn't move. I'm assuming Troy Polamalu is going to shut the fuck up around about now.
 
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