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NFL Regular Season Thread 2010

[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=41376.msg1209041#msg1209041 date=1288559131]
I guess Wade is responsible for teaching players how to tackle ...[/quote]

Well, he is the acting Def. Coordinator, Avy...
 
The problem with Dallas is the owner.

He's turning into Al Davis. He's more interested in being "the man" in Dallas, than in actually having a team that succeeds.

Unless he has a huge change-of-heart (at what..? 70 odd?) he'll not get a big name like Cowher or Gruden in, because they will not work under the conditions that he oversees... Wade cannot bench or cut anybody without first running it past Jerry. Nor can he fine them.

It's a preposterous situation. Wade does need to go, for his own sanity, if nothing else, but the problem lies farther up the food chain than head coach.
 
Ndamukong Suh has more sacks this season than Julius Peppers, Jared Allen, Shaun Rogers, Gerald McCoy and Albert Haynesworth combined.

Wow.
 
This paragraph from yahoo sports sums Jerry Jones stance up perfectly:

There isn't enough time to change right now, but the answer to the Cowboys' turnaround is as plain as the nose on Jones' face. Be it Jimmy Johnson or Bill Parcells, Jones has only found success with his team when he has ceded power to those who understand the game better than he does -- not family members and yes-men too dependent on his checks to tell him what's really wrong. The Cowboys will suffer through a lost season in 2010; that much is clear. What happens next depends on how willing Jones is to sublimate his ego for the good of the organization.
 
Come on mate, he's given Wade a fantastic team, bar perhaps FS and a team that should have done much better last year than their small playoff run.

Sorry, you cannot fault Phillips for the missed tackles we've seen - defensive coordinators do NOT teach tackling, that's what they learn in ELEMENTARY school ffs. Jerry has built a very good team, and tbh, I put more blame on the PLAYERS than on Wade or Jerry. The Boys deserve their 1-6 record and they'll probably go 3-13 and 4-12 as they've quit, which I really cannot stand.

It's really sad that I can only name Roy Williams, Dez Bryant and DWare as the only players I feel have produced footy at the level they're capable of.

I think Jerry will bring in a big head coach next year ... Wait and see - Bill Cowher is my call.

I cannot believe the Vikes waived Moss... I wonder who will pick him up.
 
Various league sources told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter that the Dallas Cowboys, Washington Redskins, Chicago Bears, St. Louis Rams, Miami Dolphins, Oakland Raiders, Kansas City Chiefs, Seattle Seahawks, New York Jets and even the Patriots are among the teams possibly interested in claiming Moss.

Ha ha the Cowboys? WHAAAAAAAAAAAT?

I hope he goes to the Chiefs ... That could be a good fit for him.
 
Ha:

Can this PLEASE get more bizarre! RT @Jay_Glazer Moss still has not been waived & the player has still not been told directly from coach yet.

Yet he's told the other players.
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=41376.msg1209735#msg1209735 date=1288643512]
Come on mate, he's given Wade a fantastic team, bar perhaps FS and a team that should have done much better last year than their small playoff run.

Sorry, you cannot fault Phillips for the missed tackles we've seen - defensive coordinators do NOT teach tackling, that's what they learn in ELEMENTARY school ffs. Jerry has built a very good team, and tbh, I put more blame on the PLAYERS than on Wade or Jerry. The Boys deserve their 1-6 record and they'll probably go 3-13 and 4-12 as they've quit, which I really cannot stand.

It's really sad that I can only name Roy Williams, Dez Bryant and DWare as the only players I feel have produced footy at the level they're capable of.

I think Jerry will bring in a big head coach next year ... Wait and see - Bill Cowher is my call.

I cannot believe the Vikes waived Moss... I wonder who will pick him up.
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No, the tackling is not his fault. But the pathetic defense as a whole is...

Yes, Jerry has paid to bring in good players, but every word of that paragraph is true. He IS the problem.

And the players are embarassing themselves with these recent "efforts".
 
mate, you cannot blame wade for this defense. You saw what this defense was capable of last year with HIM as Defensive Coordinator. Now you're telling me that replacing ONE PIECE of that puzzle (Ball for Hamlin) has caused the defense to play like uuuuh **thinks of really bad team** uuuuh, like the Cowboys of 2010? Something is up here man ... I think they've quit on him to an extent, or quit on the belief they can make the playoffs ... That's sad, as you say, the effort has been horrific. At least lose and give it 100%.

Lastly, Jerry has bought in some great talent without big bucks ... Austin ... Witten ... Ware ... Barber ... Ratliff ... James ... the list goes on and on. He's drafted a fantastic team. Pity the talent just cannot translate to wins.

I think he's made the 'problem' because he's the 'face of the franchise' to an extent. I don't think the Cowboys are far off from being a contender again ... They're horrific now, but 2-3 tweaks next year (including head coach) from competing for a playoff spot.
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=41376.msg1209803#msg1209803 date=1288648347]
Avvy - serious (if somewhat farcical) question... right now, do you think you'll beat Detroit in a couple of weeks?
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I think we may just because we're a better team. But I think, as I said earlier, a 2-14 or 3-13 season is very possible if the players continue to play like this. They are embarrassing themselves and the franchise.
 
It's all very strange.... 2 of my other US sport teams were helped enormously by getting a high draft pick when they really shouldn't have been in that position (Spurs and Tim Duncan, Pens and Sidney Crosby)....

maybe a coaching change in the off season, and a top 5 draft pick, and the Cowboys are back in business?
 
The Cowboys could well trade down if they get a top five pick. There are no standout O-Line prospects that warrant a top five pick, but the first round will be lousy with 3/4 DEs. They could drop and get a decent one. Maybe pick up another second round pick and get a safety. Or, because of the DE depth, they might take Patrick Peterson if they have a good pick. He's ridiculous.

Of course, if Jerry fires Wade in December, then Romo's head could be on the block. New regimes like new signal callers. Top five pick would be handy then. Although I don't know who would pick up Romo's contract, large as it is. And they couldn't pay Romo and a top five QB (unless a rookie cap comes in before then).
 
I've been watching the Suh TD back a few times. Love the bit when he starts to dance and then realises there is a Skin catching him. Moss didn't look like he was trying too hard to get the ball though. Clearly values his head's current position upon his neck.
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=41376.msg1209797#msg1209797 date=1288648219]
mate, you cannot blame wade for this defense. You saw what this defense was capable of last year with HIM as Defensive Coordinator. Now you're telling me that replacing ONE PIECE of that puzzle (Ball for Hamlin) has caused the defense to play like uuuuh **thinks of really bad team** uuuuh, like the Cowboys of 2010? Something is up here man ... I think they've quit on him to an extent, or quit on the belief they can make the playoffs ... That's sad, as you say, the effort has been horrific. At least lose and give it 100%.

Lastly, Jerry has bought in some great talent without big bucks ... Austin ... Witten ... Ware ... Barber ... Ratliff ... James ... the list goes on and on. He's drafted a fantastic team. Pity the talent just cannot translate to wins.

I think he's made the 'problem' because he's the 'face of the franchise' to an extent. I don't think the Cowboys are far off from being a contender again ... They're horrific now, but 2-3 tweaks next year (including head coach) from competing for a playoff spot.
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Avy, are you aware that Wade has NO power to run this team..? He cannot waive, bench, start or even fine players without Jerry's say so? Even the draft is Jerry's call, not Wade's. The power structure is all wrong. The players do not respect Wade because they know that he's not the boss. You don't want to believe it, but it's a fact. Jerry is becoming Al Davis. Ask anybody who lives over here. Read the local papers. Listen to radio links that I've sent you for Dallas sports radios... Jerry IS the problem.

You are right that the players have quit. That's not Wade's fault. But, as head coach, it is his responsibility. That's his job. And specifically on the defense, that he coordinates... He doesn't send them out there to miss tackles and give up on plays, but if they do, who's job is it to make sure that they don't next time..?

As for a fantastic team... I thought so 3 months ago too. But if most of your players quit when things get tough, they really don't have the mental capacity to be fantastic. I fear that we have vastly over-rated this squad of players, and the heart that they (don't) posess.
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=41376.msg1210243#msg1210243 date=1288717326]
If the Lions were any good he might win defensive player of the year, not just rookie.
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Without doubt. He's putting up Hollywood numbers for a tackle.

People talk about his sacks, but he's even better against the run. Torain got nowhere on Sunday and Suh was just exploding dirty great craters in the middle of Washington's line. Man is a nuclear weapon.

Rookie of the year awards already look sewn up. Defensive race is over. That's your boy's. Unless he fucks up or gets injured I can't see anyone else getting involved. McClain and Earl Thomas are having good seasons too, but they're some way behind.

And Bradford will surely win it on Offense. Ryan Mathews has fitness problems. There are some very good receivers out there, but not all of them are getting enough field time to win. Bryant looks awesome, but he also looks confused by the schemes at times. That might just be the Wade fustercluck, or it might be his lack of practice. I think Mike Williams is having a better season overall anyway. Hernandez is having great rookie season at TE. And then there's Jahvid Best, although his injuries will probably end up tapering his season off.
 
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=41376.msg1210252#msg1210252 date=1288718098]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=41376.msg1209797#msg1209797 date=1288648219]
mate, you cannot blame wade for this defense. You saw what this defense was capable of last year with HIM as Defensive Coordinator. Now you're telling me that replacing ONE PIECE of that puzzle (Ball for Hamlin) has caused the defense to play like uuuuh **thinks of really bad team** uuuuh, like the Cowboys of 2010? Something is up here man ... I think they've quit on him to an extent, or quit on the belief they can make the playoffs ... That's sad, as you say, the effort has been horrific. At least lose and give it 100%.

Lastly, Jerry has bought in some great talent without big bucks ... Austin ... Witten ... Ware ... Barber ... Ratliff ... James ... the list goes on and on. He's drafted a fantastic team. Pity the talent just cannot translate to wins.

I think he's made the 'problem' because he's the 'face of the franchise' to an extent. I don't think the Cowboys are far off from being a contender again ... They're horrific now, but 2-3 tweaks next year (including head coach) from competing for a playoff spot.
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Avy, are you aware that Wade has NO power to run this team..? He cannot waive, bench, start or even fine players without Jerry's say so? Even the draft is Jerry's call, not Wade's. The power structure is all wrong. The players do not respect Wade because they know that he's not the boss. You don't want to believe it, but it's a fact. Jerry is becoming Al Davis. Ask anybody who lives over here. Read the local papers. Listen to radio links that I've sent you for Dallas sports radios... Jerry IS the problem.

You are right that the players have quit. That's not Wade's fault. But, as head coach, it is his responsibility. That's his job. And specifically on the defense, that he coordinates... He doesn't send them out there to miss tackles and give up on plays, but if they do, who's job is it to make sure that they don't next time..?

As for a fantastic team... I thought so 3 months ago too. But if most of your players quit when things get tough, they really don't have the mental capacity to be fantastic. I fear that we have vastly over-rated this squad of players, and the heart that they (don't) posess.
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Jerry has drafted really well the past few years, so doesn't bother me anymore (he's got a phenomenal talent in Dez Bryant in his latest coup).

Wade isn't good enough. I know ... and he'll go. But I don't think he did a poor job overall, just compare him to Tuna.

I don't think we've overrated the squad. They just thought 'we deserve it' and that's what let them down. They didn't have 44-6 on their conscience the whole time. That's where I blame Wade. But whatever, we're shit. I'm ok with it. Bar the Rangers, it's the 'norm' with me!
 
Bills pick up Merriman ... if he can get healthy, he'd be fantastic again. But that if is bigger than everest.

TITANS pick up Moss. Great pick up.
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=41376.msg1210302#msg1210302 date=1288723302]
Jerry has drafted really well the past few years, so doesn't bother me anymore (he's got a phenomenal talent in Dez Bryant in his latest coup).

Wade isn't good enough. I know ... and he'll go. But I don't think he did a poor job overall, just compare him to Tuna.

I don't think we've overrated the squad. They just thought 'we deserve it' and that's what let them down. They didn't have 44-6 on their conscience the whole time. That's where I blame Wade. But whatever, we're shit. I'm ok with it. Bar the Rangers, it's the 'norm' with me!
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I don't know about that, mate... With the cutting of Jason Williams yesterday, that's 66% of last season's draft no longer with them. Bobby Carpenter has been cut by TWO teams since the end of last season, including St, Louis. And for every DeMarcus Ware, there's a Roy Williams or a Quincy Carter in his past.

Tuna turned a once great team from a laughing stock, on the back of two 5 - 11 seasons in a row back into a playoff team, and he established the core of the team that Wade has taken over... Wade has done the oppostite of that. He's taken a team that should be a Super Bowl contender and turned it into a contender for the 1st pick in the draft.

You're right about a sense of entitlement, though... Where it comes from, I have no earthly idea. The flippin' Raiders have been in a Super Bowl since the Cowboys last have, FFS!
 
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=41376.msg1211030#msg1211030 date=1288819797]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=41376.msg1210302#msg1210302 date=1288723302]
Jerry has drafted really well the past few years, so doesn't bother me anymore (he's got a phenomenal talent in Dez Bryant in his latest coup).

Wade isn't good enough. I know ... and he'll go. But I don't think he did a poor job overall, just compare him to Tuna.

I don't think we've overrated the squad. They just thought 'we deserve it' and that's what let them down. They didn't have 44-6 on their conscience the whole time. That's where I blame Wade. But whatever, we're shit. I'm ok with it. Bar the Rangers, it's the 'norm' with me!
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I don't know about that, mate... With the cutting of Jason Williams yesterday, that's 66% of last season's draft no longer with them. Bobby Carpenter has been cut by TWO teams since the end of last season, including St, Louis. And for every DeMarcus Ware, there's a Roy Williams or a Quincy Carter in his past.

Tuna turned a once great team from a laughing stock, on the back of two 5 - 11 seasons in a row back into a playoff team, and he established the core of the team that Wade has taken over... Wade has done the oppostite of that. He's taken a team that should be a Super Bowl contender and turned it into a contender for the 1st pick in the draft.

You're right about a sense of entitlement, though... Where it comes from, I have no earthly idea. The flippin' Raiders have been in a Super Bowl since the Cowboys last have, FFS!
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Listen, obviously he's had some duds and the draft last year unfortunately has been a disaster but if you look at the starters, they're almost all his draft picks. Look at the defense ... Jenkins, Newman, Ware, James, Spencer, Ratliff, Spears - that's his picks ...

It will be ok ... As I've said, the Rangers made me really happy but I've been on a bad 'sports run' and I'm looking forward to a good draft and a better season next year (and maybe some of the younger players, like Victor Butler or Sean Lee making things interesting the rest of the year).
 
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