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Not at all, mate. I use my eyes when coming up with my opinions, as well as stats...
I think Joe Cool was the greatest that I've ever seen, 'cos I've watched most of his career as saw what he did. Likewise, the best QB of THIS generation is Peyton Manning. It's not even close. Tom Brady's won more Super Bowls. So has Ben Rothlisberger. But Peyton is the better QB. Stats are not the reason I feel the way I do...
However, as I've long said, to attain better numbers (like he did) on a far inferior team, when the opponents key on stopping you, tells ME, and most neutral observers, that Barry was the better player. That, and the fact that I watched him do things that few others, including Emmitt, would even attempt. Ditto Walter Payton, for that matter. Emmitt ran through holes the size of houses, led by Moose, at a defense already having to account for Micheal Irvin AND Jay Novachek. Barry didn't have a fraction of the support that Emmitt did. And yet, he performed better, as the numbers show. On this occassion, the numbers DO tell an accurate story, my friend.
I'd have Emmitt in the conversation for top five RB's ever, mate. Likewise, I'd include Troy Aikman and Jay Novachek in those same discussions for QB and TE. I'm not trying to downplay his brilliance. I don't hate the Cowboys. I just don't think that it's really an argument, when approached with an open mind.
But, as we already established, you'll never see it, because it's Emmitt, and it's the Cowboys. And that's not an insult... We all have our blind spots. Yours is Dallas based sports teams! 🙂
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A few points:
a) you're mad about Aikman - I love him, but he's not in the top 10 (probably even 15-20) of all time. Neither is Jay Novacek. Witten is already ahead of him and I don't think he's top 5.
b) I'm not that blind about the boys, point a proved it! 🙂
c) You really take unnecessary digs at Herman Moore and Johnnie Morton. They were a phenomenal pair.
d) I don't think Manning is the 'greatest' of the generation. Just like Mr. Sanders would have had FAR more TDs had they ran with him from the 5 in, Mannings stats are greatly skewed by those 1-2-3-4-5 yd TD passes. Brady is the best of the generation. Hands down.
e) Had you put Marino on that 49ers team of the 80s, he would have won the same amount of SBs. He was (and still is) an idiot (I worked with him on the NBC Half time Show) but had the most phenomenal release AND probably the best deep ball in NFL history. Imagine he was throwing to Taylor & Rice and not the M&M combo? Man oh man.
f) Sanders is the best 'athlete' to ever play in the RB position, probably beating out Brown Sayers and Sweetness. But Emmit was the complete back. He did everything at a high level.
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a. I disagree. They're both up there. Without Troy, the cowboys win NONE of those three SB's. And though Jay wasn't as integral to those teams as other players, it's no coincidence that the moment he was lost to injury, their decline started.
b. Ok, not totally blind. But certainly myopic. And ALMOST totally blind about Emmitt in particular! 🙂
c. I've already disproved your "Barry had great WR's taking the heat off him" theory before. We both know that, as good as they were, every team set out to stop Barry, in a way they just couldn't afford to with Dallas. Half that Dallas offense will be in the HOF before it's all said and done. Only one Lion will be...
d. Sorry, mate. Not a chance. TB is close to PM, but PM is the better pure QB.
e. Again, I'm not telling you Dan is crap - He's an all-time great. But Joe's the best, in my opinion. And I'd heard that Dan is a complete arsehole before. And that he likes a pint, too... That's too bad. Yes, possibly the strongest arm and fastest release ever. Actually, it's not even "probably", is it?
f. Not as much as Barry. 'Cos he didn't have to...
g. Still love ya, ya big Emmitt homer!
