NFL 2014-15 (Offseason / Draft / Regular Season)
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Of the group they call the 'elite' ones I can't seem to find one who chokes as often.
Maybe Ben but he has two rings so I don't know.
Peyton's not even the first Manning I'd take in postseason trenches, let alone the first QB.
Brady,Ben,Brees.
You could probably throw Eli and Russel Wilson into the mix too.
Romo is without a doubt the most underappreciated QB in the league though.
Not being at your best when it matters most.
Eli has been elite for what? 2-3 seasons? He's been an average QB for this era overall ... Wilson is on the way to Elite status. Can't believe how low he was drafted ... Luck is on the way too.
I don't think Brees is anymore (he like Manning was)
Pity that doesn't get rings ... 🙁
Oh yeah forgot about Luck.
Romo would probably be amongst them too.
Well I know Eli isn't consistent but when he's under pressure in big games he's definitely elite.
Romo is not elite - he's very good but he's not elite. Eli under pressure is elite - but overall, he's not ... @Lucas - weigh in bruv.
Truth ...
Choking is probably harsh, but for a player who is probably the best technical passer of all time and dominated regular season at for over a decade, he has built an unenviable record of being undertaken to win tight postseason games. Eight one and outs in January football, and he held Q4 leads in five of them. Big time players find ways to win those games. Manning didn't do it at Tennessee and he hasn't done it in the pros. For a player of his calibre to have a losing playoff record, as many times as he went to January, it's not unfair that questions are asked.
See, I don't think it's fair to make that distinction on the basis of two game winning drives. Or even two games if you want to spin it like that.
The more I watch the NFL the more I realize it's all about systems and play calling. Teams aren't necessarily more successful because they are more talented, they're more successful because they acquire players that fit well into the systems they run. The same player will be a bust on one team in System A and a Pro Bowler in System B.
Yeah the last part of that is interesting and probably true.
But with the sample size of Peyton's post season stats I think it's fair to say that he hasn't performed to the best of his talents in the bigger games over the last decade.
And the system was built for him. He ran it himself.
How many of them outdoor, cold weather games?
Only one I remember was when they got housed by like forty points in the Meadowlands.
They would have been home a lot, at least half. They lost tight homers either side of the Superbowl win, to the Steelers and Chargers. And I remember them losing in Miami and in San Diego.
So I don't think barometric factors held much sway.
The whole elite thing is a nonsense discussion to me. I mean, I get the whole making comparisons thing, but I'd rather have two rings than Peyton's regular season record.
Eli's postseason record is nice. I like to think of him at Thanksgiving dinner, a ring on each bird finger and flipping off his brother and old man. He loves them apples.
No but outplaying Brady(twice),Rodgers,Romo,Ryan and Favre all in the postseason would put him in the mix.
He's done this without the offensive weapons that Peyton has been dealt too.
I'm not a fan of Eli but to knock his postseason record is a load of bollix.
Recently, they don't very often. In the modern game, with the salary cap etc, I can think of two. Brad Johnson wasn't even that shit really, and he was hot that first year under Gruden. The only 'shit' QB to win one really is Dilfer, who enjoyed prodigious bouts of luck and had possibly the all time best defence.
But shit quarterbacks don't win two rings.
Like I said, Peyton is probably the best technician ever. But when it counts, he comes up dry more often than not. And if that's the case, what do your regular season wins actually mean?
Well I think the playoff v regular season is just like soccerleague vs cup team comparison.
You win the league by having consistently very good performances. Teams that have low variance in their performances.
Teams that win cups are often high variance teams, high ceiling but not enough consistency to win the league.
And I think the likes of Eli, Flacco, Kaepernick are the best examples of high variance QB's. With Brady, Peyton and Brees being the more consistent variety.
You win the league by having consistently very good performances. Teams that have low variance in their performances.
Teams that win cups are often high variance teams, high ceiling but not enough consistency to win the league.
And I think the likes of Eli, Flacco, Kaepernick are the best examples of high variance QB's. With Brady, Peyton and Brees being the more consistent variety.
I don't disagree in the theory, or in the value it places on play callers in terms of who you might want if you were in a front office, but in football you get silverware for winning the league. Winning your division doesn't mean shit in the NFL other than getting you to the next stage. So at the end of the day, if you're the best passed of all time, playing in a system tailored for you, and you dominate your regular seasons and have fourteen goes at the playoffs, winning just one of those fourteen and losing eight times at the first ask is more than a statistical aberration, surely. There's something going on.
No doubt. As I said before, I wouldn't label him a choker. There weren't many big games that Indy lost where you'd say Manning stank the place out. Superbowl with Denver was a bit clown shoes, but that's the only one really.
But at the same time, how many playoff games are there where you're like, "damn, Peyton demolished that team"?
Part of what makes Gerrard one of Liverpool's greats is beyond his consistency over so many years. It's that in almost every big game we've had for over a decade, he was there doing ridiculous shit. All our cup finals. Dude made them his.
My problem with Peyton is that he never owned big matches. Never elevated himself and his team to win those squeakers. Those games maybe you shouldn't be winning.
Big games, he never surprised anyone.
But at the same time, how many playoff games are there where you're like, "damn, Peyton demolished that team"?
Part of what makes Gerrard one of Liverpool's greats is beyond his consistency over so many years. It's that in almost every big game we've had for over a decade, he was there doing ridiculous shit. All our cup finals. Dude made them his.
My problem with Peyton is that he never owned big matches. Never elevated himself and his team to win those squeakers. Those games maybe you shouldn't be winning.
Big games, he never surprised anyone.
