Nat Baresi
- Thread starter SummerOnions
- Start date
- Latest activity Latest activity:
- Status
Shut up Brizzle you fool
Philips needs to more games to prove himself. We can potentially save a bunch of cash by releasing Kabak in the summer and instead giving Philips a new contract.
We'll be back to having Van Dijk, Matip, Gomez and now Philips.
I personally think our CL winning CB partnership Van Dijk and Matip is our best option.
We'll be back to having Van Dijk, Matip, Gomez and now Philips.
I personally think our CL winning CB partnership Van Dijk and Matip is our best option.
All he does is head.
Of the 3 first team CB's, Matip should be the first out the door. He just can't be relied upon. Gomez isn't much better and who knows what sort of shape he'll be in when he returns.
In terms of our current options of Philips, Kabak, Davies and Williams, in the long term, it'd make sense to be trying to tie down a player that fits the system and the high line. Would be better if we had at least 2 of them and they already existed in the squad right now rather than having to go into the transfer market again. That said, if we do need to buy, it looks like we could get a decent wedge for Philips to help fun this.
In terms of our current options of Philips, Kabak, Davies and Williams, in the long term, it'd make sense to be trying to tie down a player that fits the system and the high line. Would be better if we had at least 2 of them and they already existed in the squad right now rather than having to go into the transfer market again. That said, if we do need to buy, it looks like we could get a decent wedge for Philips to help fun this.
Yeah maybe he is totally one dimensional, but that didn't stop Thiago from being considered world class.
Phillips will be captaining England in the coming years. (Unless he has an Irish granny, or realises I can get him an Irish passport)
I'd be surprised if we don't cut our losses with Matip. Gomez at least is young, but he's completely unreliable. We can't afford to have two injury prone centre halves who would otherwise be 2/3 in the pecking order.
Which is why it's now worth sticking with last nights partnership and we know then either way, whether they each have a future with us.
Phillips at least replaces that aerial presence we lose without VVD or Matip. Matip might be the ideal partner for VVD but he's never going to be fit enough to sustain that partnership, so it's counterproductive, because you end up without a settled partnership.
Phillips at least replaces that aerial presence we lose without VVD or Matip. Matip might be the ideal partner for VVD but he's never going to be fit enough to sustain that partnership, so it's counterproductive, because you end up without a settled partnership.
How we not learnt nothing from this?
Only Phillips out of that lot are is likely to stay fit. Other 3, there are massive questions next season over them.
We need to buy another top CB and decide if Kabak is good enough to buy on a perm deal or get another one in alongside long term potential.
What exactly are we saving money for? Market should be low and a good time to invest.
We need to buy 4 players in my view:
CB
CM
CF ( deputy for the front 3 who can take over from Origi)
LB/RB (able deputy for Robbo if Tmiskas is not upto it, the left side over the last 4 months is a massive concern and that includes Mane)
Maybe we could play him enough and turn him into the next Maguire. He is slowly gaining cult status for wearing black boots and heading the ball a lot.
On the other hand, you could shut the fuck up.
Van Dijk usually doesn't get injured, unless you do a fly kick right on his extended knee.
I think he means we don't know how he will come back from this. Didn't he also have a major injury not long before he joined us? He was out for most of 2017, the year before signing for us. So regardless of the Pickford effect, in 4 years he's been ruled out for more or less 18 months with injuries, that can take it's toll.
That's possible.
Well it's no surprise that a member of monarchy turns his nose up at someone who does the hard grafting.
If he was diddling kids you'd have a higher opinion of him.
Ponce
Our recollections of the game must vary.
Wait what?
Phillips' journey has been an amazing one (right from the moment he had the chance to sign for us)
Dated 2017, speaking as a 19 yr old
How Liverpool youngster came back from the brink to seal dream move to Reds
[article]
He was heading for America.
A four year degree course at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte on a football scholarship and a plan to get drafted to the MLS.
He had been forced to reassess after his path at home club Bolton had come to an end, the financial problems at the club seeing very few young players offered contracts, despite the presence of his dad Jimmy as a former player and now Academy director.
The USA offered a chance to keep his football dream alive.
And then, two days before his flight, Liverpool offered him a contract.
He takes up the story: "It was a weird one. At Bolton it didn't look like I was going to get anything at the end of that season.
"So I'd started to make plans, I was still doing my A-levels at school and had lined up a scholarship in America to go out there, hopefully get a degree and get on that pathway to the MLS through the draft. That was all set up.
"I'd done a few days training at Huddersfield through a coach who'd been at Bolton. Three days into that I got a call from Liverpool saying 'we're going to Germany for pre-season, we'd like you to come and train with us.
"I leaped at the opportunity and from then on it was a bit surreal. I knew it was a good opportunity to try to make myself a career in the UK and fortunately I did well enough in the trial games to be offered a contract two days before my flight to America.
"I signed it the day I was due to fly out. It was a crazy few weeks but i couldn't imagine a better way for it to turn out."
Phillips has never regretted his decision and though he has had to wait his turn at Liverpool, he just couldn't bring himself to head to the USA and wonder what might have been at Anfield.
He took advice from his dad with his years of experience in the game but the big choice was always down to him.
"He kind off said 'what are you thinking?' and when I said I wanted to take the (LFC) contract he just said 'I'm glad you said that because it's an unbelievable offer.' He wouldn't want to infringe too much or make me doubt a decision. But If I'd made the decision not to take it I think he'd have had something to say!
"It was a big relief because even though the offer in America was a good one and I knew it would have been a good four years, I'd have got a degree and have a chance of making a career out there, it wasn't really one which I'd ever pictured until that final year where I saw things weren't going out as I'd always planned.
"So it was really nice to jump back on to the pathway which I'd always envisaged. When you're younger you don't train all your life to go and play college football in the USA, it's to be a professional footballer, ideally in the UK in the Premier League."
The U23s season began with Mamadou Sakho and Tiago Ilori in the centre back roles and Phillips had to show patience before the departure of those players gave him his chance.
"At first it was a bit frustrating, Mama and Tiago dropping down, because me, Tom (Brewitt) and Corey (Whelan) suffered the consequences of being sidelined for those first few weeks before Christmas.
"But looking back it probably helped me a bit because it allowed me time to settle in. Most of my games were friendlies which took the pressure off a bit. Gave me time to get used to the style of play, get used to my team-mates. And also training with Mama and Tiago was a valuable experience, you're always learning from these lads who've played at a higher level.
"After Xmas, I've had a few more opportunities to play and I feel like my games have gone well so far so I'm pretty pleased."
Phillips is seen as a strong, traditional style centre back but was it hard to keep his confidence high after his progress was stalled by his Bolton experience?
"The biggest thing is knowing your capabilities and being confident in what you're capable of. I was actually having a decent season at Bolton towards the end of the season but obviously you saw the problems they were having and not many lads got offered contracts so the circumstances at the club were one thing I could put it down to.
"When Liverpool came in for me I knew if I performed to the best of my abilities I'd have a chance of getting something."
While some might see the jump from Bolton to Liverpool as a big one, it's one which Phillips says he just didn't have time to think about - while the presence of better players at Kirkby can sometimes be a big help.
"In training you're playing against players at a higher level, lads who are internationals at their age group. Defensively it was tougher in training, one v one situations, these players are a lot better than those I was playing against at Bolton. But at the same time it was good in that I was getting tested and I could show what i could do put up against decent players.
"In terms of on the ball - I was saying to some of the coaches and other lads - on occasions I found it easier playing out. You've got players who can play under pressure. if you give them a bad pass they might be able to bail you out! They're used to finding gaps and spaces that some players might not see or anticipate."
Phillips was part of a spectacular Liverpool performance last time out, a 5-1 demolition of Reading, and even found him getting on the score sheet with a lovely curling low shot.
It was not the finish of a "traditional centre half" and owed much to Phillips' history in the game.
"When I was younger I was always one of the smaller lads and got stuck everywhere. I played two seasons out on the wing so I think it was those instincts kicking in when I got in the box. I couldn't believe it myself when it went in, never mind the other players!"
Liverpool sit in third in the Premier League 2 table - with Everton and Man City fighting it out for top spot - and Phillips says the only target for Mick Garrity's team is to win every game between now and the end of the year.
Monday brings the chance of revenge against Chelsea, who beat the Reds 4-1 back in August, a game Phillips wasn't involved in.
"The main goal is just to win as many if not all our remaining games. We know we're capable of doing it. As we showed against Reading when we play our best there's not many teams who can stop us. Ahead of Chelsea the big thing for all of us is to rectify what happened away and prove to ourselves and the coaches we can beat the big boys as well."
Phillips knows he has a big battle on to try to prove he deserves a career at Liverpool but he'll not be left wondering. There will be no 'what ifs'.
"If I see my contract out here and things don't work out as planned I don't think I'll be wondering about what would have happened in America. It'll be 'I came here, I gave it my best and I can't have any regrets'.
"Now I'm here I've got to do my best so I've got nothing else to give at the end of it."
[/article]
Dated 2017, speaking as a 19 yr old
How Liverpool youngster came back from the brink to seal dream move to Reds
[article]
He was heading for America.
A four year degree course at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte on a football scholarship and a plan to get drafted to the MLS.
He had been forced to reassess after his path at home club Bolton had come to an end, the financial problems at the club seeing very few young players offered contracts, despite the presence of his dad Jimmy as a former player and now Academy director.
The USA offered a chance to keep his football dream alive.
And then, two days before his flight, Liverpool offered him a contract.
He takes up the story: "It was a weird one. At Bolton it didn't look like I was going to get anything at the end of that season.
"So I'd started to make plans, I was still doing my A-levels at school and had lined up a scholarship in America to go out there, hopefully get a degree and get on that pathway to the MLS through the draft. That was all set up.
"I'd done a few days training at Huddersfield through a coach who'd been at Bolton. Three days into that I got a call from Liverpool saying 'we're going to Germany for pre-season, we'd like you to come and train with us.
"I leaped at the opportunity and from then on it was a bit surreal. I knew it was a good opportunity to try to make myself a career in the UK and fortunately I did well enough in the trial games to be offered a contract two days before my flight to America.
"I signed it the day I was due to fly out. It was a crazy few weeks but i couldn't imagine a better way for it to turn out."
Phillips has never regretted his decision and though he has had to wait his turn at Liverpool, he just couldn't bring himself to head to the USA and wonder what might have been at Anfield.
He took advice from his dad with his years of experience in the game but the big choice was always down to him.
"He kind off said 'what are you thinking?' and when I said I wanted to take the (LFC) contract he just said 'I'm glad you said that because it's an unbelievable offer.' He wouldn't want to infringe too much or make me doubt a decision. But If I'd made the decision not to take it I think he'd have had something to say!
"It was a big relief because even though the offer in America was a good one and I knew it would have been a good four years, I'd have got a degree and have a chance of making a career out there, it wasn't really one which I'd ever pictured until that final year where I saw things weren't going out as I'd always planned.
"So it was really nice to jump back on to the pathway which I'd always envisaged. When you're younger you don't train all your life to go and play college football in the USA, it's to be a professional footballer, ideally in the UK in the Premier League."
The U23s season began with Mamadou Sakho and Tiago Ilori in the centre back roles and Phillips had to show patience before the departure of those players gave him his chance.
"At first it was a bit frustrating, Mama and Tiago dropping down, because me, Tom (Brewitt) and Corey (Whelan) suffered the consequences of being sidelined for those first few weeks before Christmas.
"But looking back it probably helped me a bit because it allowed me time to settle in. Most of my games were friendlies which took the pressure off a bit. Gave me time to get used to the style of play, get used to my team-mates. And also training with Mama and Tiago was a valuable experience, you're always learning from these lads who've played at a higher level.
"After Xmas, I've had a few more opportunities to play and I feel like my games have gone well so far so I'm pretty pleased."
Phillips is seen as a strong, traditional style centre back but was it hard to keep his confidence high after his progress was stalled by his Bolton experience?
"The biggest thing is knowing your capabilities and being confident in what you're capable of. I was actually having a decent season at Bolton towards the end of the season but obviously you saw the problems they were having and not many lads got offered contracts so the circumstances at the club were one thing I could put it down to.
"When Liverpool came in for me I knew if I performed to the best of my abilities I'd have a chance of getting something."
While some might see the jump from Bolton to Liverpool as a big one, it's one which Phillips says he just didn't have time to think about - while the presence of better players at Kirkby can sometimes be a big help.
"In training you're playing against players at a higher level, lads who are internationals at their age group. Defensively it was tougher in training, one v one situations, these players are a lot better than those I was playing against at Bolton. But at the same time it was good in that I was getting tested and I could show what i could do put up against decent players.
"In terms of on the ball - I was saying to some of the coaches and other lads - on occasions I found it easier playing out. You've got players who can play under pressure. if you give them a bad pass they might be able to bail you out! They're used to finding gaps and spaces that some players might not see or anticipate."
Phillips was part of a spectacular Liverpool performance last time out, a 5-1 demolition of Reading, and even found him getting on the score sheet with a lovely curling low shot.
It was not the finish of a "traditional centre half" and owed much to Phillips' history in the game.
"When I was younger I was always one of the smaller lads and got stuck everywhere. I played two seasons out on the wing so I think it was those instincts kicking in when I got in the box. I couldn't believe it myself when it went in, never mind the other players!"
Liverpool sit in third in the Premier League 2 table - with Everton and Man City fighting it out for top spot - and Phillips says the only target for Mick Garrity's team is to win every game between now and the end of the year.
Monday brings the chance of revenge against Chelsea, who beat the Reds 4-1 back in August, a game Phillips wasn't involved in.
"The main goal is just to win as many if not all our remaining games. We know we're capable of doing it. As we showed against Reading when we play our best there's not many teams who can stop us. Ahead of Chelsea the big thing for all of us is to rectify what happened away and prove to ourselves and the coaches we can beat the big boys as well."
Phillips knows he has a big battle on to try to prove he deserves a career at Liverpool but he'll not be left wondering. There will be no 'what ifs'.
"If I see my contract out here and things don't work out as planned I don't think I'll be wondering about what would have happened in America. It'll be 'I came here, I gave it my best and I can't have any regrets'.
"Now I'm here I've got to do my best so I've got nothing else to give at the end of it."
[/article]
His agent confirmed another year on top of that.
Did you not know Brizzle is a prince ?
Prince of SCM or Persia?
There is so much doubt with regard to Nat / Kabak partnership - I think sometimes we over do the effect of VVD/Gomez/Matip based on actual evidence in some cases. Yes we know at least two of them have pace, but there have been occasions where none of them have done any better than what we would expect from Nat/Kabak. Take our games against City last year away - we still lost 4-1, and then there is that crazy 7-2 lost to Villa. I think after that CL game this week - we should not underestimate the protection that our regular defenders were getting from the likes of Henderson/Fab in midfield. Also its not like the opposition teams never got a chance to score against us while VVD/Gomez were in defence, but for whatever reason we keep doubting Nat especially even though hardly any of us can find any serious fault in any of the performances from him.
I really thought we looked solid the other night in terms of how we played - it was like the Liverpool of old, but every fucking pundit is like 'they'll never win the CL with that defence' - based on fuck all evidence of that Nat-Kabak partnership even conceding a goal in the two games they have played in together. It's like everyone is expecting them to fuck it up big time before they have even done anything wrong. Also this argument about lack of pace, where does that come from ? - they may not be the fastest but I have seen in a few games both Kabak and Nat chase a defender - its never been the case where the attacker has never been reached - Kabak is nearly always side by side and Nat seems to sprint quite quickly when needed. I get the argument if it is just experience based - but still - for me to join in this shitty worry - I would want them to fuck it up. I actually feel much more assured having two full time defenders in that back line with Fab as the holding midfielder than having Fab/Henderson at the back.
I really thought we looked solid the other night in terms of how we played - it was like the Liverpool of old, but every fucking pundit is like 'they'll never win the CL with that defence' - based on fuck all evidence of that Nat-Kabak partnership even conceding a goal in the two games they have played in together. It's like everyone is expecting them to fuck it up big time before they have even done anything wrong. Also this argument about lack of pace, where does that come from ? - they may not be the fastest but I have seen in a few games both Kabak and Nat chase a defender - its never been the case where the attacker has never been reached - Kabak is nearly always side by side and Nat seems to sprint quite quickly when needed. I get the argument if it is just experience based - but still - for me to join in this shitty worry - I would want them to fuck it up. I actually feel much more assured having two full time defenders in that back line with Fab as the holding midfielder than having Fab/Henderson at the back.
*Duke
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...ig-game-to-be-the-peak-of-my-career-znv37dcnn
If anyone has a subscription, maybe you can post it here.
If anyone has a subscription, maybe you can post it here.
[article]According to The Athletic’s Simon Hughes, Phillips has two years left on his current deal with Liverpool. The 23-year-old signed a long-term deal with the Reds in 2019 – as per the club’s official website – but details weren’t made public.
Phillips has made a total of ten appearances for Liverpool this season, with nine of them coming in the Premier League alone.
[/article]
- Status
