Nat Baresi

[bluebell]

I couldn't see anyone paying more than 20 mil for Matip though - surely noone else is as stupid as us?

We got him on a free, and I don't remember many people complaining about him in the first 2 seasons. I would put him on the market, he'd probably do really well in Italy or Spain where the intensity is far less
Matip's injury record
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{thead}
{tr}
{th}Season{/th}
{th}Injury{/th}
{th}from{/th}
{th}until{/th}
{th}Days{/th}
{th}Games missed{/th}
{/tr}
{/thead}
{tbody}
{tr}
{td}20/21{/td}
{td}Ankle Injury{/td}
{td}Jan 29, 2021{/td}
{td}Jun 30, 2021{/td}
{td}152 days{/td}
{td}22{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}20/21{/td}
{td}groin strain{/td}
{td}Dec 28, 2020{/td}
{td}Jan 20, 2021{/td}
{td}23 days{/td}
{td}4{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}20/21{/td}
{td}Back trouble{/td}
{td}Dec 14, 2020{/td}
{td}Dec 18, 2020{/td}
{td}4 days{/td}
{td}1{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}20/21{/td}
{td}Knock{/td}
{td}Oct 18, 2020{/td}
{td}Nov 3, 2020{/td}
{td}16 days{/td}
{td}5{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}20/21{/td}
{td}Thigh Problems{/td}
{td}Sep 13, 2020{/td}
{td}Oct 16, 2020{/td}
{td}33 days{/td}
{td}5{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}19/20{/td}
{td}Ankle Injury{/td}
{td}Jun 22, 2020{/td}
{td}Jul 31, 2020{/td}
{td}39 days{/td}
{td}8{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}19/20{/td}
{td}Knee Injury{/td}
{td}Oct 26, 2019{/td}
{td}Jan 18, 2020{/td}
{td}84 days{/td}
{td}20{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}18/19{/td}
{td}Collarbone fracture{/td}
{td}Dec 12, 2018{/td}
{td}Jan 12, 2019{/td}
{td}31 days{/td}
{td}7{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}17/18{/td}
{td}Hamstring Injury{/td}
{td}Mar 31, 2018{/td}
{td}Jul 1, 2018{/td}
{td}92 days{/td}
{td}12{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}17/18{/td}
{td}Muscle Injury{/td}
{td}Nov 29, 2017{/td}
{td}Dec 26, 2017{/td}
{td}27 days{/td}
{td}8{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}17/18{/td}
{td}Thigh Problems{/td}
{td}Nov 15, 2017{/td}
{td}Nov 25, 2017{/td}
{td}10 days{/td}
{td}3{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}16/17{/td}
{td}Ankle Injury{/td}
{td}Dec 11, 2016{/td}
{td}Jan 8, 2017{/td}
{td}28 days{/td}
{td}7{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}16/17{/td}
{td}Ankle Injury{/td}
{td}Nov 26, 2016{/td}
{td}Dec 5, 2016{/td}
{td}9 days{/td}
{td}3{/td}
{/tr}
{/tbody}
[/xtable]

 

[dantes]

What's that in giraffe years, though?

You'd be talking weeks, or perhaps days.

 

[Aidan O' Neill]

We finished third because a bunch of other teams bottled it and because Philips was available but like I said it doesn't make him better.
I'm not arguing about who we should keep or sell. I wouldn't mind if we sold Matip and kept Philips. I'm just saying, straight up, Matip is a better defender.
Also, by your logic we won the CL with Matip starting. Lost the final when he didn't start.
So Matip = CL win.

We won 8 and drew 2 of our last games (guess who wasn't centre back in the games we drew). We got 3rd on merit, not based on others bottling it. They choked on the last day but that didn't matter as it was already in our hands and we won.

 

[Frogfish]

We got him on a free, and I don't remember many people complaining about him in the first 2 seasons. I would put him on the market, he'd probably do really well in Italy or Spain where the intensity is far less
Matip's injury record
[xtable=skin1]
{thead}
{tr}
{th}Season{/th}
{th}Injury{/th}
{th}from{/th}
{th}until{/th}
{th}Days{/th}
{th}Games missed{/th}
{/tr}
{/thead}
{tbody}
{tr}
{td}20/21{/td}
{td}Ankle Injury{/td}
{td}Jan 29, 2021{/td}
{td}Jun 30, 2021{/td}
{td}152 days{/td}
{td}22{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}20/21{/td}
{td}groin strain{/td}
{td}Dec 28, 2020{/td}
{td}Jan 20, 2021{/td}
{td}23 days{/td}
{td}4{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}20/21{/td}
{td}Back trouble{/td}
{td}Dec 14, 2020{/td}
{td}Dec 18, 2020{/td}
{td}4 days{/td}
{td}1{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}20/21{/td}
{td}Knock{/td}
{td}Oct 18, 2020{/td}
{td}Nov 3, 2020{/td}
{td}16 days{/td}
{td}5{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}20/21{/td}
{td}Thigh Problems{/td}
{td}Sep 13, 2020{/td}
{td}Oct 16, 2020{/td}
{td}33 days{/td}
{td}5{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}19/20{/td}
{td}Ankle Injury{/td}
{td}Jun 22, 2020{/td}
{td}Jul 31, 2020{/td}
{td}39 days{/td}
{td}8{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}19/20{/td}
{td}Knee Injury{/td}
{td}Oct 26, 2019{/td}
{td}Jan 18, 2020{/td}
{td}84 days{/td}
{td}20{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}18/19{/td}
{td}Collarbone fracture{/td}
{td}Dec 12, 2018{/td}
{td}Jan 12, 2019{/td}
{td}31 days{/td}
{td}7{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}17/18{/td}
{td}Hamstring Injury{/td}
{td}Mar 31, 2018{/td}
{td}Jul 1, 2018{/td}
{td}92 days{/td}
{td}12{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}17/18{/td}
{td}Muscle Injury{/td}
{td}Nov 29, 2017{/td}
{td}Dec 26, 2017{/td}
{td}27 days{/td}
{td}8{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}17/18{/td}
{td}Thigh Problems{/td}
{td}Nov 15, 2017{/td}
{td}Nov 25, 2017{/td}
{td}10 days{/td}
{td}3{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}16/17{/td}
{td}Ankle Injury{/td}
{td}Dec 11, 2016{/td}
{td}Jan 8, 2017{/td}
{td}28 days{/td}
{td}7{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}16/17{/td}
{td}Ankle Injury{/td}
{td}Nov 26, 2016{/td}
{td}Dec 5, 2016{/td}
{td}9 days{/td}
{td}3{/td}
{/tr}
{/tbody}
[/xtable]

Klopp's seen that and thought "next major injury is in 5 years time".

Since before last season he'd only missed 8, 5, 5, 1, 4 games over the past 5 seasons I can't possibly see Klopp selling.

Ugh. Shouldn't skim or multi-task building a website/online shop, I didn't notice the ' by issue' bit !

 

[My_Blood_Bleeds_Red]

Alpha Romeos are great looking cars, but if I am doing 400 mile trip I am choosing the Nissan. I know the Nissan is unlikely to break down.

Plus you don't need to spend a bomb on maintenance costs for Nissans.

 

[mike2903]

Klopp's seen that and thought "next major injury is in 5 years time".

Since before last season he'd only missed 8, 5, 5, 1, 4 games over the past 5 seasons I can't possibly see Klopp selling.

It's not games in a season, they're games missed in an injury period. By season it's...

16/17 - 10
17/18 - 23
18/19 - 7
19/20 - 28
20/21 - 37

Total - 105

I like him, he's a good player but he's the type who needs a run to get settled and in form, being injured for a third of our games is no good. We can't even rely on him as a backup.

 

[StevieM]

Matip’s a cracking CB.

That’s not the issue.

He’s good in the air, comfortable on the ball, good passing ability, can step out of defence and push into midfield adding forward impetus, calm, and chips in from goals from set pieces.

Which is great.

In the 3 games a season he’s match fit, on form and able to complete 90 minutes.

The other 50+ games we’re likely to play in all competitions.... not so great.

 

[Frogfish]

It's not games in a season, they're games missed in an injury period. By season it's...

16/17 - 10
17/18 - 23
18/19 - 7
19/20 - 28
20/21 - 37

Total - 105

I like him, he's a good player but he's the type who needs a run to get settled and in form, being injured for a third of our games is no good. We can't even rely on him as a backup.

Damn. I shouldn't skim or multi-task (building a website/online shop). I didn't notice the ' by issue' bit ! Sell.