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I can't help but think he is having a similar season to Jon Flanagan in 13/14
I don't think he is good enough for a top team, though I hate saying it, as I love his attitude and his willingness to put his head where it hurts.
He is too slow, his distribution isn't great and he switches off periodically making poor decisions.
I really hope he proves me wrong.
 
the count said:
I can't help but think he is having a similar season to Jon Flanagan in 13/14
I don't think he is good enough for a top team, though I hate saying it, as I love his attitude and his willingness to put his head where it hurts.
He is too slow, his distribution isn't great and he switches off periodically making poor decisions.
I really hope he proves me wrong.
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WTF ?
Everyone says he ia slow, but so far neither defender has been beaten for pace. As for decision making, he has been first class in terms of concentration.
 
moron said:
WTF ?
Everyone says he ia slow, but so far neither defender has been beaten for pace. As for decision making, he has been first class in terms of concentration.
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He stepped up into midfield and got nowhere near winning a header which gave Wolves their best chance with one of their players with a clear run on goal.
It was a nothing ball as well.
He also played a ball straight to Wolves to give them a chance to break in the first half.
Too many dangerous simple errors that are somewhat compensated for my his head on the line approach but not totally
 
the count said:
He stepped up into midfield and got nowhere near winning a header which gave Wolves their best chance with one of their players with a clear run on goal.
It was a nothing ball as well.
He also played a ball straight to Wolves to give them a chance to break in the first half.
Too many dangerous simple errors that are somewhat compensated for my his head on the line approach but not totally
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Because he is young and never played at this level his every mistake will be over analyzed, but in many ways its that attitude that initiated that move for our goal. In any case he had cover from Kabak. Lets start having a go at him when he concedes 7 goals against a team.
 
moron said:
Because he is young and never played at this level his every mistake will be over analyzed, but in many ways its that attitude that initiated that move for our goal. In any case he had cover from Kabak. Lets start having a go at him when he concedes 7 goals against a team.
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So you reckon he is going to get faster as he gets older?
And his distribution will improve?
His decision making should.
I think its pretty clear he isn't good enough for a top Premier league team but in time he may well be a very good player for a lower or mid ranking team.
He actually reminds me of Shane Duffy and he was great for Ireland on occasions but in truth not really good enough for Brighton
 
the count said:
So you reckon he is going to get faster as he gets older?
And his distribution will improve?
His decision making should.
I think its pretty clear he isn't good enough for a top Premier league team but in time he may well be a very good player for a lower or mid ranking team.
He actually reminds me of Shane Duffy and he was great for Ireland on occasions but in truth not really good enough for Brighton
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I just laugh at the whole world now. People make him out to be so so bad, but every game i have seen him in, he has hardly made that many mistakes. No you are right, he definitely does not look the part, but right now he and Kabak will do for me with Fab guarding the gate.
 
I am concerned one striker will absolutely rinse him for pace and score and it will become a blueprint for others to copy making it impossible to play him.

Hopefully not as I’m loving him in the team.
 
I think his decision-making is generally quite good – he's got a real football brain and instinct and that's why his lack of pace has not been as much on an issue as many of us feared (so far, knock on wood). It helps that Kabak has decent pace; this leads to a very natural breakdown of the roles between them where Nate goes up for every high ball and Ozan gets himself in position to deal with the 2nd ball if needed. It might not be a world-class CB partnership, but it's a partnership – and that's something we haven't had in a while.
 
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the count said:
I can't help but think he is having a similar season to Jon Flanagan in 13/14
I don't think he is good enough for a top team, though I hate saying it, as I love his attitude and his willingness to put his head where it hurts.
He is too slow, his distribution isn't great and he switches off periodically making poor decisions.
I really hope he proves me wrong.
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Good comparison. He won’t prove you wrong though. He’s having his moment in The Lying Rag which must be amazing. He’s a trier and we all love that but it’s simply not good enough with the tools he has for the top flight let alone LFC. We all know it. I bet he does too.
 
Dreambeliever said:
I am concerned one striker will absolutely rinse him for pace and score and it will become a blueprint for others to copy making it impossible to play him.

Hopefully not as I’m loving him in the team.
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There isn't a CB alive that hasn't been rinsed many times because most forwards are smaller and faster and get the run on defenders. It's always a case of 'on the balance of play' is he good enough. So far he has been, long term I'm not sure but it remains to be seen.
 
Dreambeliever said:
I am concerned one striker will absolutely rinse him for pace and score and it will become a blueprint for others to copy making it impossible to play him.

Hopefully not as I’m loving him in the team.
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Hes already been rinsed for pace, and by not particularly quick forwards. In fairness to him he's more self aware than some defenders so he knows what his Achilles heel is and rarely puts himself in a position to get caught 1 v 1 in a foot race. But it's not possible to avoid entirely and when it does happen he's generally in trouble pretty quickly.

I agree with theCount above, he's done well and he may go on to be a solid PL player but it won't be with us.
 
the count said:
I can't help but think he is having a similar season to Jon Flanagan in 13/14
I don't think he is good enough for a top team, though I hate saying it, as I love his attitude and his willingness to put his head where it hurts.
He is too slow, his distribution isn't great and he switches off periodically making poor decisions.
I really hope he proves me wrong.
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I don't think the Comparison is fair.
a) Flanno looked good in a great attacking side that struggled defensively
b) Nat has looked fine, bar getting rinsed for pace once or twice, and actually allowed our team to improve by allowing our best DM to play in his position. I think he's not "starting material" but I think it's the kind of player great teams always have in their squad (well great teams that aren't spending 50 million per bench player).
 
Rosco said:
You just don't like the fact that Suarez fell into the category of obviously a very talented player but one we won more without. Much like Thiago.
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😀 ha ha. What a bizarre comparison.

Suarez was our player of the year by a mile. Thiago is nowhere near that.
 
rurikbird said:
I think his decision-making is generally quite good – he's got a real football brain and instinct and that's why his lack of pace has not been as much on an issue as many of us feared (so far, knock on wood). It helps that Kabak has decent pace; this leads to a very natural breakdown of the roles between them where Nate goes up for every high ball and Ozan gets himself in position to deal with the 2nd ball if needed. It might not be a world-class CB partnership, but it's a partnership – and that's something we haven't had in a while.
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Bar the bit about his decision making, in my opinion it's not too bad but occasionally poor, the rest is very fair.
Himself and Kabak do compliment each other with Nat being the progressive ball winner and Kabak the cover.
It's quite an old fashioned partnership but it's been as effective as we have had since our regular centre halves got crocked.
As others have said, he is more than worthy of his place in the team for the moment.
I suspect that Klopp will be tempted to play Hendo back there once he is fit again.
As an aside I thought Kabak was pretty decent last night though Wolves weren't the toughest of opponents.
If he continues to play like that, Klopp will have a decision to make in the summer
 
Is Hendo still expected back after the international break? Haven't heard anything about his progress in a while
 
the count said:
I suspect that Klopp will be tempted to play Hendo back there once he is fit again.
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No, I don’t think he will. Hendo made more positional mistakes than Kabak at CB; if anything I think (when Hendo is back and playing in midfield), Klopp will consider playing Fabinho at CB for some decisive CL games.
 
I'd be mindblown if klopp didn't learn from Henderson being in defence , likewise fabinho to an extent.

Regardless of whether Nat or Kab had a more next time out , imo the faith needs to be kept.

Some sort of rhythm between Naby, fab and thiago could go someway to salvaging the season for us , likewise Nat and Kabak.
 
rurikbird said:
No, I don’t think he will. Hendo made more positional mistakes than Kabak at CB; if anything I think (when Hendo is back and playing in midfield), Klopp will consider playing Fabinho at CB for some decisive CL games.
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Agree on Hendo - but if these two boys carry on the way they are and are not embarrassed by Aston Villa, Arsenal, and Man United - they are good enough to play ALL CL games we will be involved in. To be honest I don't ever want to see either of those two midfielders playing in defense unless ALL our defenders are dead or injured. If we have defenders then fucking play them.
 
HC said:
I'd be mindblown if klopp didn't learn from Henderson being in defence , likewise fabinho to an extent.

Regardless of whether Nat or Kab had a more next time out , imo the faith needs to be kept.

Some sort of rhythm between Naby, fab and thiago could go someway to salvaging the season for us , likewise Nat and Kabak.
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Hendo will defo come back in. And without our established CBs it really wouldn't be a surprise to see Fabs drop back and Hendo take up the sitting CM mantle. Wrong though I believe that to be. Otherwise it will be Fabs, Hendo, Thiago, Keita, Gini and Jones fighting for 3 midfield slots (and that's without even considering Shaq and Ox's claims, such as they are).
 
Fabinho should stay in midfield. He's a better defensive midfielder than Henderson. Cap can compete with Thiago and Gini.
I've changed my mind about Fabinho at CB. He looks good in patches, but he's just too rash at times.
 
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