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On a side note, I wish he'd sort his hair out too. I'll crack up if I see him constantly fixing it on Sunday.
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FFS Glen will you get a hairclip or something and stop fucking around with strands of hair that have to be constantly pushed behind your ear. Its embarrassing watching it.
 
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Roy needs to give Glenjo a go at RW with Kelly in behind him at RB. West Brom on Sunday is the perfect opportunity to try this out.

Is Johnson at RW a pipe dream or a genuine option?
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Has anyone's stance on this changed? Not advocating it to be tested away to united but perhaps something to think about.

Gareth Bale relished in a similar move.
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I'd go with it ILD, I wouldn't lose any sleep if I never saw Johnson at fullback again, and I like him as a 'player'.
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I'm not 100% for it myself Mark as he was bought as a FB, trains as a FB and it is his natural position. However, I feel he would relish the opportunity ahead of a RB and we might benefit from it. He doesn't seem to be at the races so far this season and Evra will give him a torrid time if he's sleeping come Sunday.
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I doubt that very much. If it were true it would have happened far earlier in his career. He doesn't know the RW position (whereas Bale had played LM often for Southampton) and a game against the Mancs - even if they're not in great shape themselves - is not the time for this or any other experiment IMO. If we're going to try this (and I'm far from convinced by the idea, as explained earlier in the thread) it needs to be in the Carling Cup or some such.
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Agree with this; it's worth a try...but NOT at Old Trafford.
 
I can see where everyone is coming from on the Johnson for RW thing. But has he ever actually played at RW? In fact have we ever had a fullback, left or right, who was a success playing on the wing?
 
I'd like to say a name but it'd bring spider-neil into this thread going 'lalalalalalala' whilst covering his ears.
 
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On a side note, I wish he'd sort his hair out too. I'll crack up if I see him constantly fixing it on Sunday.
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FFS Glen will you get a hairclip or something and stop fucking around with strands of hair that have to be constantly pushed behind your ear. Its embarrassing watching it.
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Yeah much like Torres, I believe his hair is effecting his game. Like I said, he looks like a homeless alcoholic.
 
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I can see where everyone is coming from on the Johnson for RW thing. But has he ever actually played at RW? In fact have we ever had a fullback, left or right, who was a success playing on the wing?
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Steve Nichol played right midfield a number of times pretty effectively, particularly as Rob Jones was coming through. Jason McAteer played wingback, so a bit of winger with defensive responsibility.
 
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Roy needs to give Glenjo a go at RW with Kelly in behind him at RB. West Brom on Sunday is the perfect opportunity to try this out.

Is Johnson at RW a pipe dream or a genuine option?
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Has anyone's stance on this changed? Not advocating it to be tested away to united but perhaps something to think about.

Gareth Bale relished in a similar move.
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I'd go with it ILD, I wouldn't lose any sleep if I never saw Johnson at fullback again, and I like him as a 'player'.
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I'm not 100% for it myself Mark as he was bought as a FB, trains as a FB and it is his natural position. However, I feel he would relish the opportunity ahead of a RB and we might benefit from it. He doesn't seem to be at the races so far this season and Evra will give him a torrid time if he's sleeping come Sunday.
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I doubt that very much. If it were true it would have happened far earlier in his career. He doesn't know the RW position (whereas Bale had played LM often for Southampton) and a game against the Mancs - even if they're not in great shape themselves - is not the time for this or any other experiment IMO. If we're going to try this (and I'm far from convinced by the idea, as explained earlier in the thread) it needs to be in the Carling Cup or some such.
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I wasn't advocating this switch for the United game as you'll see if you read back a few post JJ.

He will obviously be RB for the united game, but as I said above, he hasn't been at the races and I hope he isn't caught napping come Sunday.
 
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I can see where everyone is coming from on the Johnson for RW thing. But has he ever actually played at RW? In fact have we ever had a fullback, left or right, who was a success playing on the wing?
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We had to suffer Fabio at LW a few times last season, but he had played there at Valencia.
 
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I can see where everyone is coming from on the Johnson for RW thing. But has he ever actually played at RW? In fact have we ever had a fullback, left or right, who was a success playing on the wing?
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Steve Nichol played right midfield a number of times pretty effectively, particularly as Rob Jones was coming through. Jason McAteer played wingback, so a bit of winger with defensive responsibility.
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That's true as far as it goes, doc, but there's an argument for saying Stevie Nicol wasn't so much a fullback who also played midfield as a genuine utility player, one of the few there have ever been who was equally good in all the positions he played (including a standout season at CB once). As for McAteer, I didn't think he did that well in that position TBH, leaving us too open at the back too often.

The only LFC player I can think of who might fit Jack's "person spec" was Vegard Heggem. I actually thought he was better further forward.
 
We had a great number of players who were extremely versatile in those days though; I'm not sure if we can make useful comparisons, unfortunately 🙁
 
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I can see where everyone is coming from on the Johnson for RW thing. But has he ever actually played at RW? In fact have we ever had a fullback, left or right, who was a success playing on the wing?
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We had to suffer Fabio at LW a few times last season, but he had played there at Valencia.
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Buts thats the very point isnt it? We had to suffer Riise playing out of position as well, and Dossena, and Degen. The point is that none of them were wonderful when playing out of position. Some of them wernt wonderful playing IN position I know
 
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We had a great number of players who were extremely versatile in those days though; I'm not sure if we can make useful comparisons, unfortunately 🙁
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Not sure, Avvy. I'm having a job recalling them in great numbers, besides which Stevie Nicol was in a class apart because any others usually had one position or another in which they played their best. Stevie Nicol on the other hand could justifiably have been first choice at RB, LB (where I'd put him in my idea of the All-Time XI incidentally), CB, RM and LM. I've never seen an all-rounder to compare with him, not in a Liverpool shirt at any rate.
 
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I can see where everyone is coming from on the Johnson for RW thing. But has he ever actually played at RW? In fact have we ever had a fullback, left or right, who was a success playing on the wing?
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We had to suffer Fabio at LW a few times last season, but he had played there at Valencia.
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Buts thats the very point isnt it? We had to suffer Riise playing out of position as well, and Dossena, and Degen. The point is that none of them were wonderful when playing out of position. Some of them wernt wonderful playing IN position I know
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True Jack, for all we know Johnson mightn't excel in an advanced position but it does seem a fine idea on paper.

Could easily be tested in the Europa League in the near future.
 
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I can see where everyone is coming from on the Johnson for RW thing. But has he ever actually played at RW? In fact have we ever had a fullback, left or right, who was a success playing on the wing?
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We had to suffer Fabio at LW a few times last season, but he had played there at Valencia.
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Buts thats the very point isnt it? We had to suffer Riise playing out of position as well, and Dossena, and Degen. The point is that none of them were wonderful when playing out of position. Some of them wernt wonderful playing IN position I know
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True Jack, for all we know Johnson mightn't excel in an advanced position but it does seem a fine idea on paper.

Could easily be tested in the Europa League in the near future.
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I totally agree with this. It sounds as though it would work. If it did it would be a fantastic boost for us.
 
3-5-2 is pretty redundant as a formation.

I'm not tactically astute enough to tell you why, but there must be a good reason nobody uses it.
 
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Reina
Carra Skrtel Agger

Johnson Poulsen Konchesky

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swap skertel for the greek. we really need a defender good in the air
 
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3-5-2 is pretty redundant as a formation.

I'm not tactically astute enough to tell you why, but there must be a good reason nobody uses it.
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it's out of fashion is my guess
 
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Yes, but he's not a VERY good defender. The option of playing him on the wing must be examined.
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If it works that'll be a first in my experience, which stretches back much further than I care to thnk about.
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Isnt Gareth Bale a left back/winger, Dani alves at Barca has played both positions pretty well when called upon, there are others Im sure but those are the only ones that spring to mind currently
 
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3-5-2 is pretty redundant as a formation.

I'm not tactically astute enough to tell you why, but there must be a good reason nobody uses it.
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the reason is the space down the flanks are too easily exploited
 
Alves was / is an average right winger. Jesus Navas' rise to prominence on that right wing was probably a god send for him.
 
At the end of the day, every player is different and some are more versatile than others, some get stuck in the wrong position from an early age because of physical attributes or whatever.

It works for some players, it doesn't for others, everything else is just second guessing. Until we see it in action no one knows whether he could play there, or not.
 
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Yes, but he's not a VERY good defender. The option of playing him on the wing must be examined.
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If it works that'll be a first in my experience, which stretches back much further than I care to thnk about.
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Isnt Gareth Bale a left back/winger, Dani alves at Barca has played both positions pretty well when called upon, there are others Im sure but those are the only ones that spring to mind currently
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The difference between Bale and Alves on the one hand and Magic on the other is that the first two have played in both positions from early in their career, whereas I'm not sure Magic has ever played RM/RW at senior level (if he ever did, it was a long time ago). ManUre at Old Toilet is not a game to throw him into in a position with which he's totally unfamiliar.
 
Yes, Glen could do with sorting out his RB work first given his ropey performance against Brum
 
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Yes, but he's not a VERY good defender. The option of playing him on the wing must be examined.
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If it works that'll be a first in my experience, which stretches back much further than I care to thnk about.
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Isnt Gareth Bale a left back/winger, Dani alves at Barca has played both positions pretty well when called upon, there are others Im sure but those are the only ones that spring to mind currently
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The difference between Bale and Alves on the one hand and Magic on the other is that the first two have played in both positions from early in their career, whereas I'm not sure Magic has ever played RM/RW at senior level (if he ever did, it was a long time ago). ManUre at Old Toilet is not a game to throw him into in a position with which he's totally unfamiliar.
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Don't think anyone is advocating trying this out against United JJ.
 
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