Middle East Violence (content may offend)
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It bothers me too (whether anyone believes that or not) but it's a choice any government will make when they know, as Oct.7 proved, that the only alternative (go ahead and name another) is that their own civilians will be in the firing line instead.
Note for all: please stop calling each other cunts or it feels best to just lock these kinda threads
It does actually serve no purpose TBH. Not sure why the OP decided we needed to revive it after the previous bin fire was locked.
Where else would we call each other cunts?
Entirely predictable that this was going to happen: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...rence-on-reestablishing-settlements-in-strip/
Because some people like a space to talk about it. It's called free speech.
Apart from where people like blitz actually are being a cunt.
So plenty of government officials will be at the event.
The ultra religious zionists will be there.
Those who represented inc who are/were on the war cabinet.
It'll be investigated, condemned in the strongest possible terms.. and they'll carry on and do it.
I really don't want the thread to be locked, it's Important it stays open.
We are seeing daily children and families massacred, war crimes and we're not even strong enough to keep a thread about it open.
As for calling ppl names..
I get ppl have deep ties and feeling of closeness and community as we've been here 20+ years.
But if ppl continue to support the atrocities we see daily then there should be a few choice words to describe them.
We are seeing daily children and families massacred, war crimes and we're not even strong enough to keep a thread about it open.
As for calling ppl names..
I get ppl have deep ties and feeling of closeness and community as we've been here 20+ years.
But if ppl continue to support the atrocities we see daily then there should be a few choice words to describe them.
I saw this yesterday on C4 news. And yes it was exactly that. And they refused to answer any journalist questions.
No-one's "supported" them. The situation, and the argument on here, are far more complicated than that one-eyed caricature would suggest.
As for the "few choice words" bit - if that's the way this thread's going to go, there'll be plenty coming back the other way.
If you are fine with what is happening and what Israel is doing, as you have said many times and defended many times then I think support is a decent way to describe it.
I think thats illegal sir
Also I don't know a single British jew who supports what the Israeli government are doing. I've got Jewish family and Kev my mate who I sit next to at the match is Jewish so a lot of you will have met him when I've given you my ticket. He despises what they're doing.
What I'm saying is being anti Netanyahu isn't even in the same ballpark as being anti semitic.
What I'm saying is being anti Netanyahu isn't even in the same ballpark as being anti semitic.
There used to be a distinction between a political arm and a military arm of Hamas way back when.
Then when she was home sec Priti Patel proscribed the whole organisation.
This was a few years after Patel went on a 'holiday' to Israel and unofficially met with loads of lobbyists, politicians and other influential Israelis inc Netanyahu.
She then lied to the then prime minister (May) about her visits and who she met and had to quit, she was reinstated as home sec by Boris
It was reported at the time that the only other person in the meetings with her was the chair of Conservative friends of Israel (Patel herself served as vice chair for a while) because even the Foreign Office staff didn't know she was out there meeting people between sunning herself at the beach.
I'm sure the rabbit hole goes a bit deeper if you want to search for more info.
Careful though any suggestion Israel is influencing UK and other countries politicians is likely a crime also, though doesn't carry a large sentence like handing a fiver to Hamas
Well, Netanyahu (along with his wife and son) is deeply popular amongst large swathes of the Israeli population as are some of the right wing lot in government. That said, even with a strong anti-Bibi position, there is a recognition that a war is / was necessary.
Anyways, to your point about donating money, I would say a rather large percentage of aid money went to building their labyrinth of tunnels, rockets, munitions etc. So all worked out for y'all.
Thank you for pointing out that I don't have enough likes in spite of spending ages in this forum!
2000 posts, 500 likes and KingJulian.
How could that be possible? If it is possible, you'll be grand with 'like' farming the way you just showed.
Not once have I said I'm anything like "fine" with any of this. For the record, I'm not. What I HAVE said and still say is that I don't see what else Israel could do now other than destroy Hamas' military capability, because Oct.7 placed their own civilians directly in the firing line. If you or anyone else have any specific suggestions about an alternative approach I'd be glad to read and discuss them.
You don't see anything else about Israel can or should so. So you support their actions then?
Oct 7th did not place Palestinian civilians 'directly in the firing line'
Israeli soldiers have willfully murdered Palestinian civilians including children. Overwhelming evidence that snipers have shot at children.
There isnt a human shield argument for that at all.
There isn't a human shield/self defence argument for the absolute bombing and destruction of the area.
Israeli citizens are the ones placed in the firing line by what Hamas did on Oct.7, which would have compelled any government anywhere to destroy such a threat. That doesn't mean I'm "fine" with the consequences - like you I hate the whole thing and wish it could end immediately. Unlike you I'm facing up to the reality of the situation Hamas created that night.
Destroying the threat is different from destroying the entire place, mass murdering people, stopping aid from getting in (lying about it), moving people from the area and then getting your mates to settle there (Note: I know this hasn't happened yet but I'd wager it's gonna)
Again as for the reality.
Nothing justifies the actions of Oct7, Oct 7th justifies everything since.. inc break int law, war crimes, mass murder, starvation, snipers shooting kids in the head.
When the threat is deliberately based almost exclusively in civilian sites, it can't be destroyed without widespread civilian suffering. Hamas know this, they've sheltered behind it for decades and until now Israel's retaliation to regular attacks has been limited because of it. For the 675th time, the change Oct.7 brought about was to make it clear that Israel no longer had anything to gain from that kind of restraint.
I've repeatedly made the point that I do not support Israel's settlement policy so I certainly won't support an extension of it now. Many Israelis, incl.a number of Israelis personally known to me, won't either. It remains to be seen which side will get the upper hand in that debate within Israel.
I've repeatedly made the point that I do not support Israel's settlement policy so I certainly won't support an extension of it now. Many Israelis, incl.a number of Israelis personally known to me, won't either. It remains to be seen which side will get the upper hand in that debate within Israel.
A lot of what was claimed to have happened on Oct 7th (burnt babies, pregnant mother cut open, baby with tube still intact being stabbed etc) were debunked and proven to be usual zionist propaganda.
There's even the strong possibility that many of the alleged 1400 Israeli citizens that were killed that day was a result of IDF bullets and Hellcat missiles.
But yeah, October 7th, Hamas rockets for decades, Hezbollah threat, retaliation purely for self defence and and and...it's all justified.
As for the human shield crap, my question is why can't one of the most well funded and equipped armies in the world not use their superior military training and capabilities to track down and fight the Hamas "cowards" on the ground instead of using bombs, more powerful than ever used in any war before (including Hiroshima and Nagasaki), to blow civilians up at will as has been happening since Oct 7th?
They were able to locate many of the "terrorist" leaders in strategic strikes that didn't result in mass civilian deaths. So why blow up hospitals, schools, universities, refugee camps and the like instead of conducting similar strategic strikes?
There's even the strong possibility that many of the alleged 1400 Israeli citizens that were killed that day was a result of IDF bullets and Hellcat missiles.
But yeah, October 7th, Hamas rockets for decades, Hezbollah threat, retaliation purely for self defence and and and...it's all justified.
As for the human shield crap, my question is why can't one of the most well funded and equipped armies in the world not use their superior military training and capabilities to track down and fight the Hamas "cowards" on the ground instead of using bombs, more powerful than ever used in any war before (including Hiroshima and Nagasaki), to blow civilians up at will as has been happening since Oct 7th?
They were able to locate many of the "terrorist" leaders in strategic strikes that didn't result in mass civilian deaths. So why blow up hospitals, schools, universities, refugee camps and the like instead of conducting similar strategic strikes?
