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You've listed a number of actions which, at first sight, don't seem relevant to the aim of wiping out Hamas' military threat, e.g. shooting peaceful protesters. I don't support such actions and would agree that they should be investigated and, if appropriate, their perpetrators prosecuted.
Paras 1 and 2: untrue. The Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Occupied Palestinian Territory and Israel reported on 10th June this year and, while it pointed out that Israel's occupation of E.Jerusalem and some other Palestinian territory is illegal, supported the great majority of allegations about Hamas' conduct that night.
Paras.4 and 5: your so-called "question" is yet another refusal to face facts. Hamas based itself almost exclusively in or under civilian premises such as hospitals and schools so that's where they had to be hunted down. They couldn't be eliminated away from civilian centres because they were very, very careful not to stray outside those centres. A number of Hizbollah leaders in Lebanon have been eliminated with less civilian risk. You seem to have got the two mixed up.
Really?? I'm refusing to face facts?
I'm referring to the lies about burnt babies etc. Were there burnt babies or not?
Was there a pregnant mother cut open and the baby stabbed?
Survivors that were interviewed in the days after Oct 7 made no mention of that. IDF's Vach started the lie and then that ZEKA guy Landau added to it but couldn't substantiate it when asked to, and then changed the story on camera to it could have been 18 or 20 year olds. Hmmmm, big difference between babies and 18 / 20 year olds.
Btw, Landau was also responsible for the 40 beheaded babies lie that Uncle Joe Biden also lied he had seen photos of and which the White House later had to clarify that Uncle Joe didn't see any such photos.
Is the commission you're referring to the same one that the Govt of Israel refused to respond to 6 requests from for information and access?
The same commission whose investigation Israeli officials repeatedly publicly announced Israel’s refusal to cooperate with?
The same commission that Israeli officials barred medical professionals and others from being in contact with after it approached medical professionals in Israel in December 2023?
Hardly a complete, thorough and fair report innit??
You should rather take note of the ICJ report and ruling on Israel's genocidal conduct, but that wouldn't suit the narrative you're pushing I guess hey?
You say strategic strikes couldn't be done as Hamas based itself among citizens and the wonderfully moral IDF couldn't get them without civilian casualties, but then why were so many UN vehicles, NGOs and reporters blown up or sniped? Lemme guess, Hamas was using them as human shields too, no?
Anyway my "question" was why not fight them on the ground, mano a mano?
Finally, here's the moral IDF using Palestinian children as human shields...
View: https://x.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1731737915472896146
I fully expect you to say that it's just x.com or fake news or AI or something like that. In fact, I'll be shocked if you didn't.
I'm referring to the lies about burnt babies etc. Were there burnt babies or not?
Was there a pregnant mother cut open and the baby stabbed?
Survivors that were interviewed in the days after Oct 7 made no mention of that. IDF's Vach started the lie and then that ZEKA guy Landau added to it but couldn't substantiate it when asked to, and then changed the story on camera to it could have been 18 or 20 year olds. Hmmmm, big difference between babies and 18 / 20 year olds.
Btw, Landau was also responsible for the 40 beheaded babies lie that Uncle Joe Biden also lied he had seen photos of and which the White House later had to clarify that Uncle Joe didn't see any such photos.
Is the commission you're referring to the same one that the Govt of Israel refused to respond to 6 requests from for information and access?
The same commission whose investigation Israeli officials repeatedly publicly announced Israel’s refusal to cooperate with?
The same commission that Israeli officials barred medical professionals and others from being in contact with after it approached medical professionals in Israel in December 2023?
Hardly a complete, thorough and fair report innit??
You should rather take note of the ICJ report and ruling on Israel's genocidal conduct, but that wouldn't suit the narrative you're pushing I guess hey?
You say strategic strikes couldn't be done as Hamas based itself among citizens and the wonderfully moral IDF couldn't get them without civilian casualties, but then why were so many UN vehicles, NGOs and reporters blown up or sniped? Lemme guess, Hamas was using them as human shields too, no?
Anyway my "question" was why not fight them on the ground, mano a mano?
Finally, here's the moral IDF using Palestinian children as human shields...
View: https://x.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1731737915472896146
I fully expect you to say that it's just x.com or fake news or AI or something like that. In fact, I'll be shocked if you didn't.
He might not say it, but I will..Jackson Hinkle is full of propaganda shit. He is anti West and anti Israel, you are not going to get a balanced post from him.
As for the claim that Israel have used a bomb with more power than a nuke. Where is that source?
Israels actions right now in Gaza are shameful.. its genocide pure and fucking simple. The fact that they are still not allowing journalists in, not letting enough aid in. It's disgusting.
He probably is, I don't follow him, nor am I on x.com for that matter.
I just put it there to show that this whole human shield story is very convenient when pointing the finger at Hamas however a quick search shows that the IDF has actually been found guilty of doing so as far back as 2010. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if that's where they got the storyline from to use to hide the truth of what's going on.
Wrt the bombs, I didn't mean a single bomb. I meant in entirety. To compare, the nuke dropped on Hiroshima equated to 15000 tonnes of TNT, whereas the one dropped on Nagasaki was slightly larger.
In total between Oct 7th and April 24th 2024, Israel dropped bombs equating to more than 70000 tonnes according to the UN Human rights office, Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor and various NGOs.
God knows what the figure is now, 6 months later.
Agreed re: Israel's ongoing inhumane actions being a genocide but I wouldn't call it shameful because they have no shame. Satanic, barbaric evil doesn't even do it justice. I don't know what to call it.
Not enough credit is given to the restraint Israel had in only killing 48 Palestinian children last year in the 9 months before October 7th happened. Yeah, it was more than the year before, but only by a handful.
There were burned babies and mothers cut open. The Commission didn't just say so but detailed the evidence, including video evidence, which proved it. I've actually read the report. And no, it can't be the Commission (if there was one) that Israel refused to respond to, because the evidence which the Commission listed in its report would obv.not have come from the Hamas side.
The President of the ICJ herself has publicly refuted the interpretation you're trying to force on their report and has criticised that interpretation as misleading. The ICJ said the case could be brought before it - nothing more. Nothing's been proven, nor can it be until the case is heard.
If UN and other personnel have been deliberately targeted by the IDF rather than caught in crossfire, that's not acceptable and should be pursued once this is all over. The same goes for using Palestinian civilians as human shields. None of that even begins to justify Hamas' use of the whole of civilian Gaza as one big human shield. I'm quite sure the IDF would welcome being able to take Hamas on "mano a mano" without innocent civilians in the firing line. It's Hamas' choice, not theirs, that that isn't possible.
That's why the IDF have been starving them, to make them lose weight so that it's easier to hit the hamas bad guy behind them.
See, they're doing everything they can to protect the little children.
If I read former US NSA McMaster's 'At War with Ourselves' it becomes more and more clear how Netanyahu is cut from the same cloth as Hitler. Netanyahu and the further right groups than him flat out don't want the two state solution. They would go to any lengths like showing fudged videos to US president to show that the Palestinian leader Abbas called for the murder of Israeli children - all this trouble tk just to derail something as simple as a bilateral meeting/joint statement/set the near term narrative. It's well proven and documented that Netanyahu will goto any length to further his agenda of total elimination of Palestinians.
Footage shows strike hitting group of Gazans trying to help stranded, wounded boy
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www.timesofisrael.com
The footage I think I mentioned earlier in this thread has been verified it seems.
So IDF shot a child, waited for people to come to him aid and then bombed the group.
That'll learn them!Footage shows strike hitting group of Gazans trying to help stranded, wounded boy
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The footage I think I mentioned earlier in this thread has been verified it seems.
So IDF shot a child, waited for people to come to him aid and then bombed the group.
View: https://x.com/SweeneySteve/status/1849335153086091576
I suppose at this point we don't believe RT, AJ, BBC, UN, dozens of NGOs etc
Only Israeli officials are telling the truth. Everyone else seems to be either outright lying or have an antisemitic angle to their 'reporting'
View: https://x.com/OHCHR_Palestine/status/1849056534128480288
Worth mentioning these children also. 165 children killed in the west bank, 129 shot in the head or upper body with live rounds.
This isn't a case of a handful of cases.
Every other day in the west bank a child is killed by Israel.
What should the appropriate, proportionate response be from the parents and family of those children?
They were hiding a hamas leader under their kitchen table.
Hang on a second, could all this carnage be happening because the IDF have their Hamas detectors set to hummus??
You understand how batshit this is right?
Look, Epstein might be raping loads of kids and tbh it's not acceptable. So let's just wait until he's finished and then we'll investigate.
Hey people accusing another of genocide, war crimes and worse.. can you just give us a minute here to try and figure this out. So just sit tight, try not to get killed and we'll work this out I promise.
That first paragraph is just silly.
I've got no objection in principle to an enquiry now, but in practice holding one will be far harder before the fighting stops.
I've got no objection in principle to an enquiry now, but in practice holding one will be far harder before the fighting stops.
Who's going to be holding this imaginary future enquiry?
South Africa would be one candidate, since the International Court of Justice has given them leave to file a case against Israel alleging genocide. I'm not sure whether the Court has the power to carry out its own investigations but, if so, that would be another possibility.
Are you saying that the Menendez brothers killing their parents was like their own October 7th?
