Michael Owen..

[El Pistolero]

[quote author=Hooz link=topic=29634.msg752262#msg752262 date=1229287380]
As if Owen would accept a pay-as-you-play. Nor should he.
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From what i have heard Owen is desperate to come back to anfield at any cost. He has been trying to sound out a move but as i said Benitez is adament he will not return.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=29634.msg752245#msg752245 date=1229286715]
he'll either stay where he is or sign for Man City in my opinion
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I think City will be looking at bigger fish than Owen rebel.

Owen will never happen, Rafa just does not fancy him, he had two opportunities to have him play for us and turned him down twice.

As you all know full well Heskey is much more a Rafa type player

regards

 

[rebel23]

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[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=29634.msg752245#msg752245 date=1229286715]
he'll either stay where he is or sign for Man City in my opinion
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I think City will be looking at bigger fish than Owen rebel.

Owen will never happen, Rafa just does not fancy him, he had two opportunities to have him play for us and turned him down twice.

As you all know full well Heskey is much more a Rafa type player

regards
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it's not just Rafa who has turned him down.

I dont think he will move in January and neither will Heskey, Kinnear said in his interview he would rather keep him until the end of the season and Bruce said the same about Heskey though Whelan will make the decision, it makes more sense to keep them than sell them for a few million as staying up is worth a lot more.

 

[Rouge Penguin]

Has owen ever shown a willingness at previous contract negotiations to except less. He'll either sign for the same more, with a clause allowing to wall away if they get relegated or over certain value offers. Or he'll go somewhere still likely to pay him top dollar.

Thing is, does he still have that image that can sell shirts by the van load, and therefore earn money on image rights? I don't think so. Moving to the toon ruined that. So which ever club will need deep pockets.

Please don't let this be Kewell mk2.

 

[Fallon]

[quote author=Hooz link=topic=29634.msg752262#msg752262 date=1229287380]
As if Owen would accept a pay-as-you-play. Nor should he.
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It depends just how badly he wants to try and win things, he should be willing to accept one at a top club given his injury problems (besides, it's not like he's short of a bob or two). Btw when i say pay-as-you-play, I don't mean a contract where he would get stiffed out of money because of rotation, if he can pass a fitness test for a game then he'd get payed for the week. I think given the way he left and his fitness problems, if he wants to take an opportunity like joining us again then he will have to yield a bit of the ground he stands on.

 

[Rouge Penguin]

apologies for the awful predictive spelling.

 

[keniget]

The thing is, it's not just about financial considerations - accepting a pas as you play contract - but personal ones too as you have to admit, it'd be a little humiliating.

Rafa signed Degen and Aurelio on big wages despite both boasting awful injury records in recent times - Aurelio in particular. There is no reason why Owen, from a professional standpoint, should have to accept a pay as you play contract in my opinion.

 

[Hooz]

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[quote author=Hooz link=topic=29634.msg752262#msg752262 date=1229287380]
As if Owen would accept a pay-as-you-play. Nor should he.
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It depends just how badly he wants to try and win things, he should be willing to accept one at a top club given his injury problems (besides, it's not like he's short of a bob or two). Btw when i say pay-as-you-play, I don't mean a contract where he would get stiffed out of money because of rotation, if he can pass a fitness test for a game then he'd get payed for the week. I think given the way he left and his fitness problems, if he wants to take an opportunity like joining us again then he will have to yield a bit of the ground he stands on.
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Name me a 29 year old who's ever been on pay-as-you-play. They're for the elderly.

 

[SummerOnions]

[quote author=Rouge Penguin link=topic=29634.msg752279#msg752279 date=1229288205]
Has owen ever shown a willingness at previous contract negotiations to except less. He'll either sign for the same more, with a clause allowing to wall away if they get relegated or over certain value offers. Or he'll go somewhere still likely to pay him top dollar.

Thing is, does he still have that image that can sell shirts by the van load, and therefore earn money on image rights? I don't think so. Moving to the toon ruined that. So which ever club will need deep pockets.

Please don't let this be Kewell mk2.
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owen took a 15K paycut to go to Real

 

[Fallon]

Like I said I didn't mean it in the strictest terms. Say he came on a 3 year contract at 100k per week, it is not unfeasible for a years worth of that contract to be taken up by injuries. I think it would be foolish to pay a player millions of pounds to sit at home or in the treatment room, we did that with Kewell (although I know he had nowhere near the problems before joining us) and it took the piss.

 

[Rafiagra]

With Torres out, I wouldnt mind Owen up front with Kuyt.

However, beyond this season, I cant see the value of signing him

 

[SummerOnions]

exactamundo

 

[Ryan]

Rafa - "We will not be buying Michael Owen"

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Kinnear - "Owen won't be sold"

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5

 

[axl27]

Would have him back in a shot for the reported price, but he'd have to get used to the idea that he wouldnt be top dog anymore

 

[peterhague]

[quote author=Markeh link=topic=29634.msg751975#msg751975 date=1229274493]
if he comes and wins us the league its the best signing ever

if he comes and fudges his hamstring after 4 days and barely kicks a ball for us its a terrible signing

Its a tough call for Rafa and i dunno if owen is willing to be second or third or fourth choice striker and his wages may also take the piss..... but the wee shite is a brilliant poacher

I remember i couldnt watch his press conferences for madrid when he signed i was so annoyed with him >🙁
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you're wrong. it's a signing that makes sense reardless of his injury proneness: the risk's built into the price, because we'd be getting a player worth £10m+ when fit for £2-3m.


but it won't happen so we may as well forget about it.

 

[Jack D Rips]

Four of our ex players sored today. Maybe we should re sign them all

 

[gareth_thomas]

Him and Torres upfront would be shite.. I highly doubt they could play together.

Owen is either always injured or returning back to fitness.. Waste of time.

 

[singlerider]

[quote author=Rouge Penguin link=topic=29634.msg752279#msg752279 date=1229288205]
Please don't let this be Kewell mk2. [/quote]

The transformation is complete.

You're not worried about the implications of him leaving the Toon, but of him joining the Pool.

You one of us now mate

*grouphug*

As for the little tyke - what's in the past is in the past, I don't really give a shit anymore - my only concern about signing him would be whether or not he could stay fit

 

[grjt]

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[quote author=Fallon link=topic=29634.msg752286#msg752286 date=1229288581]
[quote author=Hooz link=topic=29634.msg752262#msg752262 date=1229287380]
As if Owen would accept a pay-as-you-play. Nor should he.
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It depends just how badly he wants to try and win things, he should be willing to accept one at a top club given his injury problems (besides, it's not like he's short of a bob or two). Btw when i say pay-as-you-play, I don't mean a contract where he would get stiffed out of money because of rotation, if he can pass a fitness test for a game then he'd get payed for the week. I think given the way he left and his fitness problems, if he wants to take an opportunity like joining us again then he will have to yield a bit of the ground he stands on.
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Name me a 29 year old who's ever been on pay-as-you-play. They're for the elderly.
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Louis Saha comes to mind (though he may be 30)

 

[grjt]

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[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=29634.msg751947#msg751947 date=1229272825]
Owen is a mercenary pure and simple. Not the sort of player I could really cheer for again. But if it meant us challenging for the title, i'd have him back, no question.
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I wouldn't go as far as callin him a mercenary... I could easily cheer for him again if he scored the goals that meant we could win the title... The lad was brilliant in his day.. and even now i'd say he is top class. He gets goals.. He would score plenty more with the talent that would be surrounding him at Liverpool.. I'd say his worse days of injury are over.. Its worth the gamble...
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No seriously, he is. I mean, i've got no love for Newcastle, but the way he's conducted himself there is a disgrace. Every 2 minutes there's talk about him leaving or clauses in his contract for him to leave, or new contract extensions for him. It's destabilising. When you consider the amount of money they forked out for him, the amount of wages he's collected and the amount of games he's actually played, an honest man would feel a bit of guilt or loyalty to stay and repay their faith, for at least for another 2-3years. But Owen doesn't care for loyalty (we at Liverpool already know this at great cost), for Owen, it's all about who can pay him the most money and put him in a position to play for England. It's that simple for him. He IS a mercenary, which is a shame, as I used to idolise him when I was younger.
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I disagree.. When he left for Real Madrid he took a pay cut... Granted when the offer was on the table from Liverpool for him to return the offer Liverpool gave him was not attractive enough... they wanted to take him on loan... or at a knock down price.... wages being less than what hes was currently getting at Madrid..

Madrid wanted to sell.. and only Newcastle UTD where stupid enough to pay the 17 million that was asked of him... and ridiculous wages... Liverpool basically said... sorry no match chaps... I mean your really not going to spend 17 million on a striker that you sold for 8 million the year before are you ? Owen was left to take Newcastle option... to continue with his England prospects.. The same reason why Crouch recently left Liverpool for Portsmouth..

The guy had a clause in his contract at Newcastle as you have rightly said.. which means he could of left at any time... He has stayed.. I think that shows some loyalty.... Point is now.. quite rightly the lad has ambition.. and Newcastle are never going to meet that expectation...

This mercenary nonsense that has been directed at Michael Owen is Bollox... If you believe everything the papers say then.. well I can see how you can come to that conclusion...
[/quote]

Nice post Jono - with you all the way on that one.
[/quote]

What, you mean apart from the fact that the salient parts of it are completely made up???

Owen never had a decision to make re returning to Liverpool, and there was never a contract put in front of him - simply because Liverpool never had a bid accepted by Real, and even in preliminary negotiations never put a realisitc deal together.

Im no Owen fan, but he waited as long as possible for a bid to materialise, and then jumped into Newcastle on the basis that 1) they had a panic attack and offered him big, big wages 2) he knew he'd get regular football and get back in the England squad.

 

[Spionkop69]

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[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=29634.msg751947#msg751947 date=1229272825]
Owen is a mercenary pure and simple. Not the sort of player I could really cheer for again. But if it meant us challenging for the title, i'd have him back, no question.
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I wouldn't go as far as callin him a mercenary... I could easily cheer for him again if he scored the goals that meant we could win the title... The lad was brilliant in his day.. and even now i'd say he is top class. He gets goals.. He would score plenty more with the talent that would be surrounding him at Liverpool.. I'd say his worse days of injury are over.. Its worth the gamble...
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No seriously, he is. I mean, i've got no love for Newcastle, but the way he's conducted himself there is a disgrace. Every 2 minutes there's talk about him leaving or clauses in his contract for him to leave, or new contract extensions for him. It's destabilising. When you consider the amount of money they forked out for him, the amount of wages he's collected and the amount of games he's actually played, an honest man would feel a bit of guilt or loyalty to stay and repay their faith, for at least for another 2-3years. But Owen doesn't care for loyalty (we at Liverpool already know this at great cost), for Owen, it's all about who can pay him the most money and put him in a position to play for England. It's that simple for him. He IS a mercenary, which is a shame, as I used to idolise him when I was younger.
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I disagree.. When he left for Real Madrid he took a pay cut... Granted when the offer was on the table from Liverpool for him to return the offer Liverpool gave him was not attractive enough... they wanted to take him on loan... or at a knock down price.... wages being less than what hes was currently getting at Madrid..

Madrid wanted to sell.. and only Newcastle UTD where stupid enough to pay the 17 million that was asked of him... and ridiculous wages... Liverpool basically said... sorry no match chaps... I mean your really not going to spend 17 million on a striker that you sold for 8 million the year before are you ? Owen was left to take Newcastle option... to continue with his England prospects.. The same reason why Crouch recently left Liverpool for Portsmouth..

The guy had a clause in his contract at Newcastle as you have rightly said.. which means he could of left at any time... He has stayed.. I think that shows some loyalty.... Point is now.. quite rightly the lad has ambition.. and Newcastle are never going to meet that expectation...

This mercenary nonsense that has been directed at Michael Owen is Bollox... If you believe everything the papers say then.. well I can see how you can come to that conclusion...
[/quote]

Nice post Jono - with you all the way on that one.
[/quote]

What, you mean apart from the fact that the salient parts of it are completely made up???

Owen never had a decision to make re returning to Liverpool, and there was never a contract put in front of him - simply because Liverpool never had a bid accepted by Real, and even in preliminary negotiations never put a realisitc deal together.

Im no Owen fan, but he waited as long as possible for a bid to materialise, and then jumped into Newcastle on the basis that 1) they had a panic attack and offered him big, big wages 2) he knew he'd get regular football and get back in the England squad.
[/quote]

I see. So the other posters bits are made up whereas your opinion on affairs should be taken as gospel? Right thanks, thread closed everyone, the truth is above us. :🙂

 

[LadyRed]

The season before Owen left is hard to forget, his body language reflected how dejected he was, he'd lost hope and no longer believed in us. I'm sure he wasn't the only one, but the love for the shirt wasn't enough to keep him with us. I find that hard to forget and definitely didn't want us to pay the big money and bail him out when he was looking for a way out of Madrid.

However, if it's a case of a couple of million now, I'd be happy for us to go for him as we could do with someone to score a few goals BUT he'd have to be brought in with managed expectations, i.e. he'd be brought in as a bits and parts player, not the main man like he is at Newcastle or like he once was a Liverpool, no more Micheal Owen superstar, just another clog in the wheel. I don't think I could stomach any whining and big 'I am' expectations from him and/or the media talking about 'England's Micheal Owen has to start' etc.

 

[grjt]

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[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=29634.msg751947#msg751947 date=1229272825]
Owen is a mercenary pure and simple. Not the sort of player I could really cheer for again. But if it meant us challenging for the title, i'd have him back, no question.
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I wouldn't go as far as callin him a mercenary... I could easily cheer for him again if he scored the goals that meant we could win the title... The lad was brilliant in his day.. and even now i'd say he is top class. He gets goals.. He would score plenty more with the talent that would be surrounding him at Liverpool.. I'd say his worse days of injury are over.. Its worth the gamble...
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No seriously, he is. I mean, i've got no love for Newcastle, but the way he's conducted himself there is a disgrace. Every 2 minutes there's talk about him leaving or clauses in his contract for him to leave, or new contract extensions for him. It's destabilising. When you consider the amount of money they forked out for him, the amount of wages he's collected and the amount of games he's actually played, an honest man would feel a bit of guilt or loyalty to stay and repay their faith, for at least for another 2-3years. But Owen doesn't care for loyalty (we at Liverpool already know this at great cost), for Owen, it's all about who can pay him the most money and put him in a position to play for England. It's that simple for him. He IS a mercenary, which is a shame, as I used to idolise him when I was younger.
[/quote]

I disagree.. When he left for Real Madrid he took a pay cut... Granted when the offer was on the table from Liverpool for him to return the offer Liverpool gave him was not attractive enough... they wanted to take him on loan... or at a knock down price.... wages being less than what hes was currently getting at Madrid..

Madrid wanted to sell.. and only Newcastle UTD where stupid enough to pay the 17 million that was asked of him... and ridiculous wages... Liverpool basically said... sorry no match chaps... I mean your really not going to spend 17 million on a striker that you sold for 8 million the year before are you ? Owen was left to take Newcastle option... to continue with his England prospects.. The same reason why Crouch recently left Liverpool for Portsmouth..

The guy had a clause in his contract at Newcastle as you have rightly said.. which means he could of left at any time... He has stayed.. I think that shows some loyalty.... Point is now.. quite rightly the lad has ambition.. and Newcastle are never going to meet that expectation...

This mercenary nonsense that has been directed at Michael Owen is Bollox... If you believe everything the papers say then.. well I can see how you can come to that conclusion...
[/quote]

Nice post Jono - with you all the way on that one.
[/quote]

What, you mean apart from the fact that the salient parts of it are completely made up???

Owen never had a decision to make re returning to Liverpool, and there was never a contract put in front of him - simply because Liverpool never had a bid accepted by Real, and even in preliminary negotiations never put a realisitc deal together.

Im no Owen fan, but he waited as long as possible for a bid to materialise, and then jumped into Newcastle on the basis that 1) they had a panic attack and offered him big, big wages 2) he knew he'd get regular football and get back in the England squad.
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I see. So the other posters bits are made up whereas your opinion on affairs should be taken as gospel? Right thanks, thread closed everyone, the truth is above us. :🙂
[/quote]

Errrm, you COULD take my opinion as gospel, or you could, for example, read Carraghers book for his account....

Thanks for your input though, very worthwhile.

 

[refugee]

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Owen is a mercenary pure and simple. Not the sort of player I could really cheer for again. But if it meant us challenging for the title, i'd have him back, no question.
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I wouldn't go as far as callin him a mercenary... I could easily cheer for him again if he scored the goals that meant we could win the title... The lad was brilliant in his day.. and even now i'd say he is top class. He gets goals.. He would score plenty more with the talent that would be surrounding him at Liverpool.. I'd say his worse days of injury are over.. Its worth the gamble...
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No seriously, he is. I mean, i've got no love for Newcastle, but the way he's conducted himself there is a disgrace. Every 2 minutes there's talk about him leaving or clauses in his contract for him to leave, or new contract extensions for him. It's destabilising. When you consider the amount of money they forked out for him, the amount of wages he's collected and the amount of games he's actually played, an honest man would feel a bit of guilt or loyalty to stay and repay their faith, for at least for another 2-3years. But Owen doesn't care for loyalty (we at Liverpool already know this at great cost), for Owen, it's all about who can pay him the most money and put him in a position to play for England. It's that simple for him. He IS a mercenary, which is a shame, as I used to idolise him when I was younger.
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I disagree.. When he left for Real Madrid he took a pay cut... Granted when the offer was on the table from Liverpool for him to return the offer Liverpool gave him was not attractive enough... they wanted to take him on loan... or at a knock down price.... wages being less than what hes was currently getting at Madrid..

Madrid wanted to sell.. and only Newcastle UTD where stupid enough to pay the 17 million that was asked of him... and ridiculous wages... Liverpool basically said... sorry no match chaps... I mean your really not going to spend 17 million on a striker that you sold for 8 million the year before are you ? Owen was left to take Newcastle option... to continue with his England prospects.. The same reason why Crouch recently left Liverpool for Portsmouth..

The guy had a clause in his contract at Newcastle as you have rightly said.. which means he could of left at any time... He has stayed.. I think that shows some loyalty.... Point is now.. quite rightly the lad has ambition.. and Newcastle are never going to meet that expectation...

This mercenary nonsense that has been directed at Michael Owen is Bollox... If you believe everything the papers say then.. well I can see how you can come to that conclusion...
[/quote]

Nice post Jono - with you all the way on that one.
[/quote]

What, you mean apart from the fact that the salient parts of it are completely made up???

Owen never had a decision to make re returning to Liverpool, and there was never a contract put in front of him - simply because Liverpool never had a bid accepted by Real, and even in preliminary negotiations never put a realisitc deal together.

Im no Owen fan, but he waited as long as possible for a bid to materialise, and then jumped into Newcastle on the basis that 1) they had a panic attack and offered him big, big wages 2) he knew he'd get regular football and get back in the England squad.
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I see. So the other posters bits are made up whereas your opinion on affairs should be taken as gospel? Right thanks, thread closed everyone, the truth is above us. :🙂
[/quote]

Errrm, you COULD take my opinion as gospel, or you could, for example, read Carraghers book for his account....

Thanks for your input though, very worthwhile.
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Jamie Carragher is Owens best friend, did it not occur to you that there might be a little bit of bias in his account of the events surrounding Owens departure.

 

[Spionkop69]

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[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=29634.msg751947#msg751947 date=1229272825]
Owen is a mercenary pure and simple. Not the sort of player I could really cheer for again. But if it meant us challenging for the title, i'd have him back, no question.
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I wouldn't go as far as callin him a mercenary... I could easily cheer for him again if he scored the goals that meant we could win the title... The lad was brilliant in his day.. and even now i'd say he is top class. He gets goals.. He would score plenty more with the talent that would be surrounding him at Liverpool.. I'd say his worse days of injury are over.. Its worth the gamble...
[/quote]

No seriously, he is. I mean, i've got no love for Newcastle, but the way he's conducted himself there is a disgrace. Every 2 minutes there's talk about him leaving or clauses in his contract for him to leave, or new contract extensions for him. It's destabilising. When you consider the amount of money they forked out for him, the amount of wages he's collected and the amount of games he's actually played, an honest man would feel a bit of guilt or loyalty to stay and repay their faith, for at least for another 2-3years. But Owen doesn't care for loyalty (we at Liverpool already know this at great cost), for Owen, it's all about who can pay him the most money and put him in a position to play for England. It's that simple for him. He IS a mercenary, which is a shame, as I used to idolise him when I was younger.
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I disagree.. When he left for Real Madrid he took a pay cut... Granted when the offer was on the table from Liverpool for him to return the offer Liverpool gave him was not attractive enough... they wanted to take him on loan... or at a knock down price.... wages being less than what hes was currently getting at Madrid..

Madrid wanted to sell.. and only Newcastle UTD where stupid enough to pay the 17 million that was asked of him... and ridiculous wages... Liverpool basically said... sorry no match chaps... I mean your really not going to spend 17 million on a striker that you sold for 8 million the year before are you ? Owen was left to take Newcastle option... to continue with his England prospects.. The same reason why Crouch recently left Liverpool for Portsmouth..

The guy had a clause in his contract at Newcastle as you have rightly said.. which means he could of left at any time... He has stayed.. I think that shows some loyalty.... Point is now.. quite rightly the lad has ambition.. and Newcastle are never going to meet that expectation...

This mercenary nonsense that has been directed at Michael Owen is Bollox... If you believe everything the papers say then.. well I can see how you can come to that conclusion...
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Nice post Jono - with you all the way on that one.
[/quote]

What, you mean apart from the fact that the salient parts of it are completely made up???

Owen never had a decision to make re returning to Liverpool, and there was never a contract put in front of him - simply because Liverpool never had a bid accepted by Real, and even in preliminary negotiations never put a realisitc deal together.

Im no Owen fan, but he waited as long as possible for a bid to materialise, and then jumped into Newcastle on the basis that 1) they had a panic attack and offered him big, big wages 2) he knew he'd get regular football and get back in the England squad.
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I see. So the other posters bits are made up whereas your opinion on affairs should be taken as gospel? Right thanks, thread closed everyone, the truth is above us. :🙂
[/quote]

Errrm, you COULD take my opinion as gospel, or you could, for example, read Carraghers book for his account....

Thanks for your input though, very worthwhile.
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Sorry my eyes must be failing me, where in the first post did you say it was Carraghers account?

Please forgive me for initialling thinking this was your own opinion posted as gospel, when actually you just stole someone elses.

*goes to check Carra's book to see if that's really how it was said*

 

[grjt]

Fucking hell, could the quality of your posts have gone any more downhill? Its like communciating with a 12 year old ...

1) I stated that it was my understanding at the time that no deal was struck with Real

2) I stated that this is apparently backed up in Carras book.

3) You look like a fucking imbecile for trying to take a pop at me, and inadvertently questionning our current club hero.

As you were, fuckwit.

 

[Spionkop69]

[quote author=grjt link=topic=29634.msg752702#msg752702 date=1229340552]
Fucking hell, could the quality of your posts have gone any more downhill? Its like communciating with a retarded child...
Back to insults, expected from you. Bothered.
1) I stated that it was my understanding at the time that no deal was struck with Real
Err where did you state it was your understanding? It was posted like it was gospel truth as per.
2) I stated that this is apparently backed up in Carras book.
Only after someone dared to ask you why your take on events was more believable than the original poster you picked up for making things up. Oh and now its apparently!! So is it Carra's version or not? Or have you interpreted it in such a way because you "don't like Owen"?3) You look like a fucking imbecile for trying to take a pop at me, and inadvertently questionning our current club hero.
In your opinion it makes me look like an imbecile. I'm not sure how often I take the opinion of someone who just uses insults to "win" a debate. Taking a pop? So no one is able to question you about a comment you make? Plus, the way you told it as being Carra's opinion wasn't how I remembered it from his book, hence my, I'll go back and check comment
As you were, fuckwit. I'm dead inside now.
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Insulted by you? I'm all torn up inside because you think I'm retard, a fucking imbecile and a fuckwit. No really I am. :🙂

Oh do you have experience of communicating with retarded children? Just a tip, abusing them verbally or on the internet is often not considered the best method in common practice nowadays...

Have you the ability to debate or will you just respond with more insults about the disabled?

 

[HC]

Jesus Spion, get a life and get out of the house sometime,yeah?! 😉

 

[grjt]

[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=29634.msg752757#msg752757 date=1229347017]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=29634.msg752702#msg752702 date=1229340552]
Fucking hell, could the quality of your posts have gone any more downhill? Its like communciating with a retarded child...
Back to insults, expected from you. Bothered.
1) I stated that it was my understanding at the time that no deal was struck with Real
Err where did you state it was your understanding? It was posted like it was gospel truth as per.
2) I stated that this is apparently backed up in Carras book.
Only after someone dared to ask you why your take on events was more believable than the original poster you picked up for making things up. Oh and now its apparently!! So is it Carra's version or not? Or have you interpreted it in such a way because you "don't like Owen"?3) You look like a fucking imbecile for trying to take a pop at me, and inadvertently questionning our current club hero.
In your opinion it makes me look like an imbecile. I'm not sure how often I take the opinion of someone who just uses insults to "win" a debate. Taking a pop? So no one is able to question you about a comment you make? Plus, the way you told it as being Carra's opinion wasn't how I remembered it from his book, hence my, I'll go back and check comment
As you were, fuckwit. I'm dead inside now.
[/quote]

Insulted by you? I'm all torn up inside because you think I'm retard, a fucking imbecile and a fuckwit. No really I am. :🙂

Oh do you have experience of communicating with retarded children? Just a tip, abusing them verbally or on the internet is often not considered the best method in common practice nowadays...

Have you the ability to debate or will you just respond with more insults about the disabled?
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Hmmm, where to start.... (I'm probably in a no-win situation here - mainly because im actually perpetuating you posting and every single one of your posts is so skin-crawlingly try hard).

The original poster stated :

"Granted when the offer was on the table from Liverpool for him to return the offer Liverpool gave him was not attractive enough... they wanted to take him on loan... or at a knock down price.... wages being less than what hes was currently getting at Madrid.. "

The implication being that our offer to sign Owen back was not acceptable to him, and he rejected us. My understanding was that this never actually transpired, and that was the point i made. When challenged by your (admittedly petty) jibe of

"I see. So the other posters bits are made up whereas your opinion on affairs should be taken as gospel? Right thanks, thread closed everyone, the truth is above us"...

My statement in response was that you could either believe my post (based on my understanding at the time that Owen was stalling all deals in the expectation/ hope that an acceptable offer from Liverpool to Madrid would materialise), or look up the passage in Carras book relating to this situation.

After your second (petty again, and this time somewhat thick) response of "Sorry my eyes must be failing me, where in the first post did you say it was Carraghers account" (NB I didnt, i simply used it as support to my argument) I should probably have got the hint that you were just being a bit of a cock.

In short, whining like a fucking child when someone finally reacts to your provocations, and then trying to take the high ground (read the sentence again.. "LIKE communicating with a retarded child" ie unable to absorb even the most simple and straight forward information) is a little pissy, even for you.

 

[Ossi]

I want St.Mike back!