Mascherano to Juve?
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[quote author=Pesam link=topic=36371.msg961153#msg961153 date=1255332228]
Hypothetically, if we were to get Yaya Toure & £20m for Mascher we would have swapped Alonso/Mascher for Aquilani/Toure and banked about £35m. If Aquilani stays fit then I see this as good business and won't weaken the team particularly if Rafa is given the extra money to stregthen other areas.
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Hypothetically, if we were to get Yaya Toure & 20 million for Mascherano we should bite their hands off.
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It's not beyong the realms of possibility as Rafa would value Mascher at a higher price than Xabi in that he is 2 years younger, captain of Argentina and touted by some as being the best defensive midfielder in the world. If barca are desperate to get him and Rafa plays "hardball" then I can see Mascher being valued at £40m and LFC offering a cheeky £20m for Yaya.
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=36371.msg961153#msg961153 date=1255332228]
Hypothetically, if we were to get Yaya Toure & £20m for Mascher we would have swapped Alonso/Mascher for Aquilani/Toure and banked about £35m. If Aquilani stays fit then I see this as good business and won't weaken the team particularly if Rafa is given the extra money to stregthen other areas.
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Hypothetically, if we were to get Yaya Toure & 20 million for Mascherano we should bite their hands off.
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It's not beyong the realms of possibility as Rafa would value Mascher at a higher price than Xabi in that he is 2 years younger, captain of Argentina and touted by some as being the best defensive midfielder in the world. If barca are desperate to get him and Rafa plays "hardball" then I can see Mascher being valued at £40m and LFC offering a cheeky £20m for Yaya.
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[quote author=Doped White Mouse link=topic=36371.msg961158#msg961158 date=1255333777]
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=36371.msg961153#msg961153 date=1255332228]
Hypothetically, if we were to get Yaya Toure & £20m for Mascher we would have swapped Alonso/Mascher for Aquilani/Toure and banked about £35m. If Aquilani stays fit then I see this as good business and won't weaken the team particularly if Rafa is given the extra money to stregthen other areas.
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Hypothetically, if we were to get Yaya Toure & 20 million for Mascherano we should bite their hands off.
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It's not beyong the realms of possibility as Rafa would value Mascher at a higher price than Xabi in that he is 2 years younger, captain of Argentina and touted by some as being the best defensive midfielder in the world. If barca are desperate to get him and Rafa plays "hardball" then I can see Mascher being valued at £40m and LFC offering a cheeky £20m for Yaya.
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The qustion is whether Barca are desperate or not. But I hope you're right.
[quote author=Doped White Mouse link=topic=36371.msg961158#msg961158 date=1255333777]
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=36371.msg961153#msg961153 date=1255332228]
Hypothetically, if we were to get Yaya Toure & £20m for Mascher we would have swapped Alonso/Mascher for Aquilani/Toure and banked about £35m. If Aquilani stays fit then I see this as good business and won't weaken the team particularly if Rafa is given the extra money to stregthen other areas.
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Hypothetically, if we were to get Yaya Toure & 20 million for Mascherano we should bite their hands off.
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It's not beyong the realms of possibility as Rafa would value Mascher at a higher price than Xabi in that he is 2 years younger, captain of Argentina and touted by some as being the best defensive midfielder in the world. If barca are desperate to get him and Rafa plays "hardball" then I can see Mascher being valued at £40m and LFC offering a cheeky £20m for Yaya.
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The qustion is whether Barca are desperate or not. But I hope you're right.
I like Mascher, and am surprised so many are so dismissive of the possibility of him leaving.
I don't think he has been great so far this season.
I do however agree with the line that there is no point in keeping an unhappy player, but we really do need a top replacement , Lucas tries hard and he is not a bad player, but just not good enough to follow Didi and Mascher.
This is all a hang-over from the summer, and Maschers wife's issues with not being settled.
It seems more and more obvious to me that Benitez could not afford to lose both Alonso and Mascherano in the summer, particularly with his gamble on Aqualiani and the probability is Mascher was persuaded to stay at least until January when he would be granted a move, and thus give Benitez time to weigh up options and form.
He is worth at least £30m+, but if other big teams don't come knocking he could go for a lot less.
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I don't think he has been great so far this season.
I do however agree with the line that there is no point in keeping an unhappy player, but we really do need a top replacement , Lucas tries hard and he is not a bad player, but just not good enough to follow Didi and Mascher.
This is all a hang-over from the summer, and Maschers wife's issues with not being settled.
It seems more and more obvious to me that Benitez could not afford to lose both Alonso and Mascherano in the summer, particularly with his gamble on Aqualiani and the probability is Mascher was persuaded to stay at least until January when he would be granted a move, and thus give Benitez time to weigh up options and form.
He is worth at least £30m+, but if other big teams don't come knocking he could go for a lot less.
regards
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=36371.msg961170#msg961170 date=1255337230]
I like Mascher, and am surprised so many are so dismissive of the possibility of him leaving.
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I am as well, but then perhaps I shouldn't be given the attitudes over Alonso in the summer.
Just as long as we don't find ourselves extolling the virtues of Plessis or some other nobody.
I like Mascher, and am surprised so many are so dismissive of the possibility of him leaving.
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I am as well, but then perhaps I shouldn't be given the attitudes over Alonso in the summer.
Just as long as we don't find ourselves extolling the virtues of Plessis or some other nobody.
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=36371.msg961170#msg961170 date=1255337230]
I like Mascher, and am surprised so many are so dismissive of the possibility of him leaving.
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I am as well, but then perhaps I shouldn't be given the attitudes over Alonso in the summer.
Just as long as we don't find ourselves extolling the virtues of Plessis or some other nobody.
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If Mascher really does go I think that Simon Rolfes of Bayer Leverkusen would be worth a punt.
He's captain of Bayer Leverkusen and a regular in the German national team. Tall, a good footballer, reads the game well. He reminds me of Didi a lot.
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=36371.msg961170#msg961170 date=1255337230]
I like Mascher, and am surprised so many are so dismissive of the possibility of him leaving.
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I am as well, but then perhaps I shouldn't be given the attitudes over Alonso in the summer.
Just as long as we don't find ourselves extolling the virtues of Plessis or some other nobody.
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If Mascher really does go I think that Simon Rolfes of Bayer Leverkusen would be worth a punt.
He's captain of Bayer Leverkusen and a regular in the German national team. Tall, a good footballer, reads the game well. He reminds me of Didi a lot.
MEH!
yeah, I said it. I don't think we'll feel his loss half as badly as we've felt xabi's.
yeah, I said it. I don't think we'll feel his loss half as badly as we've felt xabi's.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36371.msg961185#msg961185 date=1255339473]
MEH!
yeah, I said it. I don't think we'll feel his loss half as badly as we've felt xabi's.
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Big surprise. I shan't bother reminding you of this if/when we get overrun in midfield against a big team without him, because knowing you you'll refuse to face up to how wrong you are even then.
MEH!
yeah, I said it. I don't think we'll feel his loss half as badly as we've felt xabi's.
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Big surprise. I shan't bother reminding you of this if/when we get overrun in midfield against a big team without him, because knowing you you'll refuse to face up to how wrong you are even then.
If we were to lose Masher as well as Alonso and we didn't find an adequate replacement (which, let's face it won't be easy as our owners may withhold cash and class DMs are not that easy to find) we'd find our midfield being overrun repeatedly. Aquilani is still unproven as yet.
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=36371.msg961202#msg961202 date=1255343599]
If we were to lose Masher as well as Alonso and we didn't find an adequate replacement (which, let's face it won't be easy as our owners may withhold cash and class DMs are not that easy to find) we'd find our midfield being overrun repeatedly. Aquilani is still unproven as yet.
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Exactly so Sunny, it's a very difficult position, and one that January is not the best time to sort out.
Presumably the idea that Mascher is off come-what-may is the reason his contract has not been re-negotiated and his pay increased.
If it's all true and I have a feeling it is, so much for Rafa's assertion a few weeks ago that Masher was all settled and committed
regards
If we were to lose Masher as well as Alonso and we didn't find an adequate replacement (which, let's face it won't be easy as our owners may withhold cash and class DMs are not that easy to find) we'd find our midfield being overrun repeatedly. Aquilani is still unproven as yet.
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Exactly so Sunny, it's a very difficult position, and one that January is not the best time to sort out.
Presumably the idea that Mascher is off come-what-may is the reason his contract has not been re-negotiated and his pay increased.
If it's all true and I have a feeling it is, so much for Rafa's assertion a few weeks ago that Masher was all settled and committed
regards
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36371.msg961185#msg961185 date=1255339473]
MEH!
yeah, I said it. I don't think we'll feel his loss half as badly as we've felt xabi's.
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Big surprise. I shan't bother reminding you of this if/when we get overrun in midfield against a big team without him, because knowing you you'll refuse to face up to how wrong you are even then.
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I think masher is a very good midfielder but replacable. obviously I want us to hold on to him but wouldn't lose sleep if we sold him.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36371.msg961185#msg961185 date=1255339473]
MEH!
yeah, I said it. I don't think we'll feel his loss half as badly as we've felt xabi's.
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Big surprise. I shan't bother reminding you of this if/when we get overrun in midfield against a big team without him, because knowing you you'll refuse to face up to how wrong you are even then.
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I think masher is a very good midfielder but replacable. obviously I want us to hold on to him but wouldn't lose sleep if we sold him.
With all the rumours and then the comments coming from his agent it's clear that Mascher is going to leave, but i'd be very surprised if we let him go in January. Hopefully the Italian lad settles in this season and then we can sell Mascher in the summer.
It's gutting that 2 of our better players have wanted out recently, i just hope that this is an end to it.
It's gutting that 2 of our better players have wanted out recently, i just hope that this is an end to it.
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36371.msg961213#msg961213 date=1255346604]
With all the rumours and then the comments coming from his agent it's clear that Mascher is going to leave, but i'd be very surprised if we let him go in January. Hopefully the Italian lad settles in this season and then we can sell Mascher in the summer.
It's gutting that 2 of our better players have wanted out recently, i just hope that this is an end to it.
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If things dont improve over the course of the season I can see a few others becoming restless.
With all the rumours and then the comments coming from his agent it's clear that Mascher is going to leave, but i'd be very surprised if we let him go in January. Hopefully the Italian lad settles in this season and then we can sell Mascher in the summer.
It's gutting that 2 of our better players have wanted out recently, i just hope that this is an end to it.
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If things dont improve over the course of the season I can see a few others becoming restless.
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36371.msg961213#msg961213 date=1255346604]
With all the rumours and then the comments coming from his agent it's clear that Mascher is going to leave, but i'd be very surprised if we let him go in January. Hopefully the Italian lad settles in this season and then we can sell Mascher in the summer.
It's gutting that 2 of our better players have wanted out recently, i just hope that this is an end to it.
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If things dont improve over the course of the season I can see a few others becoming restless.
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If we go another season without a trophy and continue to sell before we can buy, then yeah i'd agree with you.
Hopefully we'll have a new owner before January.
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36371.msg961213#msg961213 date=1255346604]
With all the rumours and then the comments coming from his agent it's clear that Mascher is going to leave, but i'd be very surprised if we let him go in January. Hopefully the Italian lad settles in this season and then we can sell Mascher in the summer.
It's gutting that 2 of our better players have wanted out recently, i just hope that this is an end to it.
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If things dont improve over the course of the season I can see a few others becoming restless.
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If we go another season without a trophy and continue to sell before we can buy, then yeah i'd agree with you.
Hopefully we'll have a new owner before January.
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36371.msg961213#msg961213 date=1255346604]
With all the rumours and then the comments coming from his agent it's clear that Mascher is going to leave, but i'd be very surprised if we let him go in January. Hopefully the Italian lad settles in this season and then we can sell Mascher in the summer.
It's gutting that 2 of our better players have wanted out recently, i just hope that this is an end to it.
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At least with Masher it seems to be hinging on family issues, Rafa's done everything he can really, he brought him here and helped save his career at the time, he's now captain of his country.
As Vlad said, I suspect something is afoot, though I reckon he's probably (reasonably) been asked to sit it out for the season and see how things develop and if nothing changes then perhaps he'll go, I'd be surprised if it's in January though.
Regards him going, I can see both sides of it. He's a defensive midfielder playing in a central midfield lacking creativity, so people are going to be a bit 'so what' about it all. The problem is though with the right partner he 'can' be brilliant and his strengths become more noticeable as he's allowed to concentrate fully on his own game, rather than trying to do the things he's not really there for. A dominating midfield partner who'll put their foot on the ball and play it will help us see the best in him.
This isn't about the potential loss of Mascherano, it's about the potential loss of what was a World Class midfield last season, to the tune of a possible £60m (that's how highly rated these two individuals are in todays game). That shouldn't be underestimated. A midfield two is both hard to find and difficult to implement to the degree where you want two players to hit the ground running. We'd have to be extremely lucky, and in this football climate, we can't afford to hinge so much on luck. This can be crippling to our team.
With all the rumours and then the comments coming from his agent it's clear that Mascher is going to leave, but i'd be very surprised if we let him go in January. Hopefully the Italian lad settles in this season and then we can sell Mascher in the summer.
It's gutting that 2 of our better players have wanted out recently, i just hope that this is an end to it.
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At least with Masher it seems to be hinging on family issues, Rafa's done everything he can really, he brought him here and helped save his career at the time, he's now captain of his country.
As Vlad said, I suspect something is afoot, though I reckon he's probably (reasonably) been asked to sit it out for the season and see how things develop and if nothing changes then perhaps he'll go, I'd be surprised if it's in January though.
Regards him going, I can see both sides of it. He's a defensive midfielder playing in a central midfield lacking creativity, so people are going to be a bit 'so what' about it all. The problem is though with the right partner he 'can' be brilliant and his strengths become more noticeable as he's allowed to concentrate fully on his own game, rather than trying to do the things he's not really there for. A dominating midfield partner who'll put their foot on the ball and play it will help us see the best in him.
This isn't about the potential loss of Mascherano, it's about the potential loss of what was a World Class midfield last season, to the tune of a possible £60m (that's how highly rated these two individuals are in todays game). That shouldn't be underestimated. A midfield two is both hard to find and difficult to implement to the degree where you want two players to hit the ground running. We'd have to be extremely lucky, and in this football climate, we can't afford to hinge so much on luck. This can be crippling to our team.
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I know who I'll be blaming for this if it happens.
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Robbie Keane?
I know who I'll be blaming for this if it happens.
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Robbie Keane?
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36371.msg961213#msg961213 date=1255346604]
With all the rumours and then the comments coming from his agent it's clear that Mascher is going to leave, but i'd be very surprised if we let him go in January. Hopefully the Italian lad settles in this season and then we can sell Mascher in the summer.
It's gutting that 2 of our better players have wanted out recently, i just hope that this is an end to it.
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At least with Masher it seems to be hinging on family issues, Rafa's done everything he can really, he brought him here and helped save his career at the time, he's now captain of his country.
As Vlad said, I suspect something is afoot, though I reckon he's probably (reasonably) been asked to sit it out for the season and see how things develop and if nothing changes then perhaps he'll go, I'd be surprised if it's in January though.
Regards him going, I can see both sides of it. He's a defensive midfielder playing in a central midfield lacking creativity, so people are going to be a bit 'so what' about it all. The problem is though with the right partner he 'can' be brilliant and his strengths become more noticeable as he's allowed to concentrate fully on his own game, rather than trying to do the things he's not really there for. A dominating midfield partner who'll put their foot on the ball and play it will help us see the best in him.
This isn't about the potential loss of Mascherano, it's about the potential loss of what was a World Class midfield last season, to the tune of a possible £60m (that's how highly rated these two individuals are in todays game). That shouldn't be underestimated. A midfield two is both hard to find and difficult to implement to the degree where you want two players to hit the ground running. We'd have to be extremely lucky, and in this football climate, we can't afford to hinge so much on luck. This can be crippling to our team.
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I agree with all of that Mark.
I think he would have definitely got a new contract in the summer if we thought we could keep him. I guess if' he's not happy then he's got to do what's best for his family.
As it stands it looks like we're left hoping that Aquilani can settle in very quickly and then Maschers replacement can come in and do the same.
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36371.msg961213#msg961213 date=1255346604]
With all the rumours and then the comments coming from his agent it's clear that Mascher is going to leave, but i'd be very surprised if we let him go in January. Hopefully the Italian lad settles in this season and then we can sell Mascher in the summer.
It's gutting that 2 of our better players have wanted out recently, i just hope that this is an end to it.
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At least with Masher it seems to be hinging on family issues, Rafa's done everything he can really, he brought him here and helped save his career at the time, he's now captain of his country.
As Vlad said, I suspect something is afoot, though I reckon he's probably (reasonably) been asked to sit it out for the season and see how things develop and if nothing changes then perhaps he'll go, I'd be surprised if it's in January though.
Regards him going, I can see both sides of it. He's a defensive midfielder playing in a central midfield lacking creativity, so people are going to be a bit 'so what' about it all. The problem is though with the right partner he 'can' be brilliant and his strengths become more noticeable as he's allowed to concentrate fully on his own game, rather than trying to do the things he's not really there for. A dominating midfield partner who'll put their foot on the ball and play it will help us see the best in him.
This isn't about the potential loss of Mascherano, it's about the potential loss of what was a World Class midfield last season, to the tune of a possible £60m (that's how highly rated these two individuals are in todays game). That shouldn't be underestimated. A midfield two is both hard to find and difficult to implement to the degree where you want two players to hit the ground running. We'd have to be extremely lucky, and in this football climate, we can't afford to hinge so much on luck. This can be crippling to our team.
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I agree with all of that Mark.
I think he would have definitely got a new contract in the summer if we thought we could keep him. I guess if' he's not happy then he's got to do what's best for his family.
As it stands it looks like we're left hoping that Aquilani can settle in very quickly and then Maschers replacement can come in and do the same.
How's Momo Sissoko doing these days?
He's doing well - some MOTM displays, and Juve and their fans really rate him. I suspect though that that has a lot to do with the slower style of Serie A. His strength and stamina were never in doubt here either - just the, er, playing football bit.
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