Manager players want to play for.

[Atlas]

I was watching the Europa cup final the other night and thought to myself we could do with a few of those players especially going forward, Diego, Falcao, Munian, Martinez etc etc. I got to thinking that really they are in the second tier of Spanish football (Barca/Real being top) and that some would move over to England and thought about players like Garcia, Alonso, Arbeloa, Torres, Reina (obv they are they selection of good transfers) they all came from that second tier (or played for reserves of top tier). Would those players have come had Kenny been in charge? cos I think most of them only really came cos of Rafa (include Mascher in that).

We probably need a manager who has more sway internationally. Kenny is adored by LFC fans but he has been out of management for over a decade, most of the current batch of players probably dont really know much about him.

 

[Judge Jules]

There's no way of knowing that, and it may well not apply to British players (or those from Northern Europe - Germany, Holland etc.) anyway. Even now Liverpool FC is a big name to them, and there's no bigger name than Kenny's associated with the club.

 

[Gary25]

There's no way of knowing that, and it may well not apply to British players (or those from Northern Europe - Germany, Holland etc.) anyway. Even now Liverpool FC is a big name to them, and there's no bigger name than Kenny's associated with the club.

Means nothing when it comes to being a Manager. I don't think he's a very inspiring Manager.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Get Klopp so all the Gerrrrrrrrrmins follow him here.

 

[Judge Jules]

Means nothing when it comes to being a Manager. I don't think he's a very inspiring Manager.

Asim's point was a different one, on the question whether Kenny could/would attract players to the club in the first place.

On the actual point you're making: I'll bet you wouldn't have said that when we were chewing everybody up during Kenny's first few months in charge. Clearly there are questions to be asked after the league season we've just had, but it's too early IMHO to reach such a firm judgment as you put in your post above.

 

[IGotALuvlyBunchOfCoconuts]

I think it's more to do with the clubs ambitions then the manager.

 

[Modo]

I'm getting this feeling of "deja vu" for some reason...

 

[Richey]

Not sure if I really agree with the idea that those players only came to the club because of Benitez.

The likes of Garcia and Arbeloa were certainly not household names when we signed them so it was not as if we were fighting off lots of other big clubs. Benitez deserves the credit for identifying those players, but I suspect if any Liverpool manager had done so at the time they would also have been able to sign them.

I firmly believe that players generally choose a club because of who the club is and whether they are likely to win trophies. If Benitez had been managing Scunthorpe I doubt Torres would have gone there would he?

 

[Gary25]

Asim's point was a different one, on the question whether Kenny could/would attract players to the club in the first place.

On the actual point you're making: I'll bet you wouldn't have said that when we were chewing everybody up during Kenny's first few months in charge. Clearly there are questions to be asked after the league season we've just had, but it's too early IMHO to reach such a firm judgment as you put in your post above.

True, but Kenny was brought in to steady the ship, and steady it he did. One full season with the players he's bought himself makes it much easier to assess his Managerial credentials.

Oh and Kenny also sold one of the players that made a massive contribution in getting us them results during his first few months in charge, and he froze out another two the season after and now they're set to leave the Club(Maxi and Kuyt).

 

[Modo]

Garcia left Barca specifically for Benitez. They had worked together before when Benitez was managing Tenerife. I don't think he would have left his boy hood club if it wasn't for Rafa.

 

[Richey]

Garcia left Barca specifically for Benitez. They had worked together before when Benitez was managing Tenerife. I don't think he would have left his boy hood club if it wasn't for Rafa.

Told you that, did he?

 

[Modo]

Yeah he did actually and so did Xabi.

Xabi Alonso's move to Anfield is not yet complete, but that did not stop the player revealing his desire to work with Reds boss Rafael Benitez, who led Valencia to the Primera Liga title and UEFA Cup glory last season.
"This is a new opportunity and experience for me and I am delighted to be going into a club with a lot of history and a great present," Alonso said.
"It is difficult to leave La Liga and Real Sociedad but it was Rafael Benitez who helped me decide to join Liverpool. I am happy about him being at the club. That helped me to go there."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-314808/Barca-star-joins-Anfield-armada.html#ixzz1uVdmVfnB​

 

[Richey]

Player publicly praises new manager, who of course has control over team selection. What a fucking shocker that is.

As if any player, when signing for a new club, is going to say 'yeah well I'm quite happy. The manager is a bit of a nob but I'm sure I'll learn to cope'.

Seriously though, I am sure that Benitez would have been a draw for those players, but ultimately a manager, any manager, would NOT be able to convince a player to join a club if he didn't want to go to that club anyway. As I said before, if Benitez was managing a shit club, rather than a club in the Champions League, would those players have gone there?

 

[Modo]

I get what you're saying, but I still think we'd need a manager of Benitez stature to attract certain players.

 

[Wizardry]

I'm sure the manager would be some kind of factor for some players when choosing the club they're going to sign for; I'm quite sure that Shanks was a factor for a few.

That said most players make it perfectly clear what the primary factors are; is the club competing at the top level (how much money will I earn); is it a step up for them to play for the club in terms of size of club (and how much money will I earn); what wages are the club going to be paying (how much money will I earn).

Not all of them are like this of course but they're all in it for them to start with and then the rest of it grows on them IMO.

 

[Roopy]

Mourinho is the obvious one ...

The fucker made Matterazzi of all players cry when he left Inter!

 

[Atlas]

I firmly believe that players generally choose a club because of who the club is and whether they are likely to win trophies. If Benitez had been managing Scunthorpe I doubt Torres would have gone there would he?

The second part of that is pretty dumb Richey!

The point is the players are convinced by a manager, they are told by the manager the grand vision and plan etc.

I remember something mentioned about Rafa speaking to Mascher and selling his vision to him which he liked and moved to the club.

I'm certainly not convinced that Kenny at the moment has that kinda pull.

 

[Richey]

The second part of that is pretty dumb Richey!

The point is the players are convinced by a manager, they are told by the manager the grand vision and plan etc.

I remember something mentioned about Rafa speaking to Mascher and selling his vision to him which he liked and moved to the club.

I'm certainly not convinced that Kenny at the moment has that kinda pull.

With respect Asim, how is it 'dumb'?

Your original statement was that all of these players only joined Liverpool because of Benitez.
My point was that they have to at least be open to the idea of joining the club to start with. Yes, the manager helps. If they meet the manager and he is a fucking idiot then they probably won't join, but equally if the club is in League Two (or even has no money, is not in Europe or not likely to win anything) then they won't even get as far as meeting the manager will they?

As for the point about Kenny not having that kind of pull, well we don't know that do we? He certainly did not have the benefit of being able to offer Champions League football to players, as Benitez did.
As I said before, I don't really consider what a player might say about a manager upon signing for a club as particularly reliable evidence to be honest, given that there is a very obvious benefit to them in praising the guy who signs them and picks the team

 

[Delinquent]

The second part of that is pretty dumb Richey!

The point is the players are convinced by a manager, they are told by the manager the grand vision and plan etc.

I remember something mentioned about Rafa speaking to Mascher and selling his vision to him which he liked and moved to the club.

I'm certainly not convinced that Kenny at the moment has that kinda pull.

Masher is a poor example because he was languishing in the reserves at West Ham. It was a no-brainer to come here.

 

[Richey]

Masher is a poor example because he was languishing in the reserves at West Ham. It was a no-brainer to come here.

Yes, that too! I think he probably would have gone pretty much anywhere that was prepared to go to court over it at the time!