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I dont think he believes that for a second. Its good man management from him to publicly laugh it off.

He didn't laugh it off even publicly. As I said, I think he pitched it just right. He said he was angry when he went to sleep that night, and angry when he woke up the next morning, but he was okay when he was at Melwood because he knew what needed to be done to correct things. Then he moved the conversation on. That's fine. It certainly shows that he, unlike some, WAS thoroughly pissed off by that result, and he knew that something needed to be done about it.

It's no good people thinking if we beat a Palace side where the opponents were smiling away during the game, and hopefully beat a soon to be relegated Villa, then that somehow proves the City defeat was just a 'blip'. That's the attitude of people who've spent so long being among the also-rans that they've internalised the idea of it being somehow excusable losing to the top clubs. We now need to have standards that are almost impossibly high. So losing that badly against a rival does matter, as does not scoring in a succession of away games. So long as Klopp realises that, and of course he does, the Panglossian brigade can keep waffling away to their hearts' content.
 
He didn't laugh it off even publicly. As I said, I think he pitched it just right. He said he was angry when he went to sleep that night, and angry when he woke up the next morning, but he was okay when he was at Melwood because he knew what needed to be done to correct things. Then he moved the conversation on. That's fine. It certainly shows that he, unlike some, WAS thoroughly pissed off by that result, and he knew that something needed to be done about it.

It's no good people thinking if we beat a Palace side where the opponents were smiling away during the game, and hopefully beat a soon to be relegated Villa, then that somehow proves the City defeat was just a 'blip'. That's the attitude of people who've spent so long being among the also-rans that they've internalised the idea of it being somehow excusable losing to the top clubs. We now need to have standards that are almost impossibly high. So losing that badly against a rival does matter, as does not scoring in a succession of away games. So long as Klopp realises that, and of course he does, the Panglossian brigade can keep waffling away to their hearts' content.

I agree that it should matter to Klopp, and the players, and would hate to think they shared my blissful nonchalance about that result.

If, as an individual fan, you find yourself upset, angry, disappointed or miserable in this moment, then you just have to accept that there's no end game or true joy in your future relationship with football.

Completely agree with you regarding how the club should respond. I'm choosing to take only joy from the next few months. If we lose our first competitive game next season, I'll be pissed off.
Until then, it's all roses baby.
 
I dont think he believes that for a second. Its good man management from him to publicly laugh it off. But a manager as experienced as Klopp knows that our title defence started away to City. That win will be sitting in the backs of the City players heads for the next couple of months, they will firmly believe they have the beating of us next season.
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I wasn't overly happy, but we weren't awful, we were all below our usual standard by anywhere from. 2%-20%.

Against a team as good as city, that is enough to cost you dearly, as we found out.

So no, I'm not happy. I do however put it down to the couple of days off the players had to get drunk/take time off & celebrate the league win, & not some lack of desire or sense of entitlement.

As such, I'm not angry, & I'm not worried that it's a sense of things to come.

Looking at the potential silver lining, it shows these players that to win the league next season they're gonna have to show the same determination & grit that they did this season, they can't let up at all from the moment of that first whistle.
 
It's no good people thinking if we beat a Palace side where the opponents were smiling away during the game, and hopefully beat a soon to be relegated Villa, then that somehow proves the City defeat was just a 'blip'. That's the attitude of people who've spent so long being among the also-rans that they've internalised the idea of it being somehow excusable losing to the top clubs. We now need to have standards that are almost impossibly high. So losing that badly against a rival does matter, as does not scoring in a succession of away games.

This, for both us and City, was about laying down a psychological marker for next season. As I said; if it ended 1-0, 2-0, or 2-1 to City then I may not of liked the result but no real damage would have been done... But we were mauled, and I can hear Pep telling the City players now....

"Liverpool may have won the Title this season, but they did not beat us. We beat ourselves... We when on a epic bender, celebrating last seasons epic title win were we over turned a ten point gap to beat liverpool, and for the first quarter of the season we were drunk on that win, and that's where the damage was done this season... We are better than these, better than Liverpool... We just proved it again. Let show everyone this,by winning the FA, Cup, CL, Super Cup, and WCC. We'll take all of these and come back and take the Title next season and everything else again"


We will have to invest... City UTD Chelsea all are doing so... I don't want to be waiting another 30 years (If I live that long) for the next title, a season (21/22) at the most....
Let stop fucking around in the trasfer market, and let's buy at least 1 quality player a season... We missed out on Timo Werner,another Deli ali, now with CFC,and he wanted to come to us, so lets commit, no matter the price to Kai Havertz and get him signed up at least
 
I agree that it should matter to Klopp, and the players, and would hate to think they shared my blissful nonchalance about that result.

If, as an individual fan, you find yourself upset, angry, disappointed or miserable in this moment, then you just have to accept that there's no end game or true joy in your future relationship with football.

Completely agree with you regarding how the club should respond. I'm choosing to take only joy from the next few months. If we lose our first competitive game next season, I'll be pissed off.
Until then, it's all roses baby.


Exactly, I hope Klopp and that players were upset and hurting, and want to improve.

But I'm not Klopp, and I'm not Andy Robertson. I'm a fan who watches football and follows Liverpool for the joy it brings into my life and I'll be fked if losing a match 4-0 after winning the league is going to upset me.
 
I wasn't overly happy, but we weren't awful, we were all below our usual standard by anywhere from. 2%-20%.

Against a team as good as city, that is enough to cost you dearly, as we found out.

So no, I'm not happy. I do however put it down to the couple of days off the players had to get drunk/take time off & celebrate the league win, & not some lack of desire or sense of entitlement.

As such, I'm not angry, & I'm not worried that it's a sense of things to come.

Looking at the potential silver lining, it shows these players that to win the league next season they're gonna have to show the same determination & grit that they did this season, they can't let up at all from the moment of that first whistle.

Amen, brother!
 
Jon - I thought we were awful after the penalty, up to then we were in it. We didn't play well, we didn't defend well and midfield didn't dominate. Fabinho did well in patches defensively, more so in midfield, Henderson played some great passes that should have created openings. Mane did alright, Salah despite hitting the post was just outmuscled and out ran alot of the time. Robbo looked subpar again, which I think we can attribute to the injury or just being jaded, form is temporary and all that, but he's definitely been short of his best for a bit now. Gomez reminds me of Glen Johnson, lots of natural quality but very brittle confidence and poor concentration, he has to get rid of that to push on.

Klopp handled it all well, I don't know what else you can say in the circumstances, but I do go with the notion that it's not ok to get beat by big sides. This is where we should have compounded our superiority, to say to City that they have it all to do next season. Instead we went out there giving the impression that we've dropped off and showed them we're beatable. They have a much better squad I think, and while I think we've been amazing this season, they've been equally bad. It's six of one, half a dozen of the other why we won it.
 
Not sure I'd go all the way with that, mark. I do agree attitude-wise but, as far as the squads are concerned, I think we're far better than they are at the back, though they have more skill in midfield (and arguably up front, though I'm not sure that makes them collectively more dangerous) which balances things out. No-one's likely to win by a 20 points plus margin next season IMO but I don't rate their chances any higher than ours.
 
Some may say it is a marker for next season, but the same City team lost against Chelsea. Does that mean Chelsea put a marker down against City?

I wasn't arsed about the result but pissed off with the final score. Nothing more than that. I had forgotten about it the next morning. The result means fuck all. I would imagine Klopp would use that in a way to say that what happens when you fanny about in front of goal and have brain farts. Next season they will have to be 100% on it once again to defend our title.
 
Not sure I'd go all the way with that, mark. I do agree attitude-wise but, as far as the squads are concerned, I think we're far better than they are at the back, though they have more skill in midfield (and arguably up front, though I'm not sure that makes them collectively more dangerous) which balances things out. No-one's likely to win by a 20 points plus margin next season IMO but I don't rate their chances any higher than ours.

Yeah I agree about the defense and I think their loss of Kompany and the injury to Laporte has been a big factor in that sense, but I think attacking wise their depth is staggering. When you consider they have 3-4 playmakers in De Bruyne, Silva, Mahrez etc.
 
I think the big fear is always going to be a drop off. Don't forget, everytime we've won anything since our previous title win (heh!) and up to last years CL win, we have failed to back that success up by winning something back to back and maintaining our momentum, we've faltered and managers have been pushed out the door. So the fear will always be that this success will be short lived, we've been there enough times. The desire to not let it slip is massive. United are playing well, City are only a couple of good defensive signings away from being quality again.

The threat is always there as it's one of the toughest leagues to contend with and you have to always be at your best to be within a chance of winning something. We're never really great in the domestic cups, so you know we are competing for the two biggest prizes again, against the biggest sides again, it's difficult to maintain that level of desire when you've already won it, as loads of managers have said before, the biggest task is motivating yourself to do it all again.
 
Some may say it is a marker for next season, but the same City team lost against Chelsea. Does that mean Chelsea put a marker down against City?

I wasn't arsed about the result but pissed off with the final score. Nothing more than that. I had forgotten about it the next morning. The result means fuck all. I would imagine Klopp would use that in a way to say that what happens when you fanny about in front of goal and have brain farts. Next season they will have to be 100% on it once again to defend our title.

Yes in short, Chelsea are attempting to put down their marker, just look at what they are doing in the transfer market if you doubt it, Utd too
 
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Chelsea won’t be within a sniff of city next year. There is no marker. These results mean jack.
 
These snippets from Barney Roney sums up my view.

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...light-liverpool-glory-in-winning-title-easily
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The French have a phrase for things such as this. L’esprit de l’escalier describes that moment on the stairs when you think of exactly the right witty riposte, just 10 minutes too late.

There was something of that spirit here on an engrossing mid-summer night at the Etihad Stadium. Manchester City played like princes, made Liverpool gasp for air and handed out a thrillingly fluent, thrillingly pointless 4-0 thrashing to the club football champions of the world.

This was Premier League football de l’escalier, the perfect riposte a beat too late. But it was beautiful too, studded with glittering little miniatures the futility of the occasion could never quite diminish.

In a pointless game in an empty stadium, that moment, and the three first-half goals, served notice of two things. First De Bruyne’s own genius as a central midfield player. And secondly just how badly City have been outplayed this season. Yes, really. Not how tough next season will be, or how desperate City will be to take the title back, both of which are no doubt also true.

But really, what City’s performance highlighted was the splendour of Liverpool’s own achievement in winning the league so emphatically ahead of a team this good; the brilliance of Liverpool’s season while there was still a season to be won.

This was a moment to ask themselves how their opponents had managed not only to take their title, but to wrench it from their grasp with such irresistible verve. At the Etihad they were magnificent, irresistible, overwhelming. But lads, you’re 20 points behind.

For now City will take confidence from this into their August Champions League campaign. They may well be back to these levels next season. In the meantime this was a glimpse of what might have been, and one that will torment Pep Guardiola a little more than Jürgen Klopp.
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Yes in short, Chelsea are attempting to put down there marker, just look at what they are doing in the transfer market if you doubt it, Utd too

So, West Ham are planning on challenging Chelsea for that last European Cup place next year, are they..?

This 'sending a message' or 'putting down a markers for next season' is such bollox... City obviously put down a marker to us and every other team in England last year AND the year before, by winning both titles, and that mattered not one jot this season.

At this level, 'markers' mean nothing. Are you any more afraid of City now than you were last week? I'm not. They're fucking magnificent, and we'll have to be brilliant to win it again next season. But we already knew that, and I'd feel exactly the same if we'd done them 6-0 on Thursday.

This Liverpool team will not for one second dwell on that result next year, when a new season begins... They already know City are equal to them and are well capable of beating us, but they (City) know exactly the same of us. Nothing changed on Thursday night, except the size of our record-breaking lead at the top.
 
So, West Ham are planning on challenging Chelsea for that last European Cup place next year, are they..?

This 'sending a message' or 'putting down a markers for next season' is such bollox... City obviously put down a marker to us and every other team in England last year AND the year before, by winning both titles, and that mattered not one jot this season.

At this level, 'markers' mean nothing. Are you any more afraid of City now than you were last week? I'm not. They're fucking magnificent, and we'll have to be brilliant to win it again next season. But we already knew that, and I'd feel exactly the same if we'd done them 6-0 on Thursday.

This Liverpool team will not for one second dwell on that result next year, when a new season begins... They already know City are equal to them and are well capable of beating us, but they (City) know exactly the same of us. Nothing changed on Thursday night, except the size of our record-breaking lead at the top.

Do you regard West ham as a title challenger...? Then stop being so asinine
 
The lockdown has made it really difficult to assess us this season. Personally I think we played better last season. This season, to be honest, many of the games were incredibly frustrating and we ended up nicking the points in a wha-happen sort of way. Psychologically this was great for building a 'champions know how to win ugly' mentality, but, god, we won ugly a bit too often for my liking. Then we really seemed to struggle in the month or so before lockdown, particularly in a creative sense, and it's hard to be sure how that might have developed had the season just gone on. Now after lockdown it's even harder to figure out what's really going on - some other teams really look like they couldn't give a toss, while others are thriving with no great pressure, while City are probably the most focused because of the imminent CL games.

But inside the club there can't be the same open-mindedness as there is outside. There needs to be a glass half empty mentality, and thankfully Klopp seems to be pushing that. But one of the key things we need to see is a willingness to expand and strengthen the squad. We've got three or four promising kids coming through, and a couple more on loan, but no one who has that Michael Owen sort of instant impact in him, yet. Those hacks who strain to suggest they'll be ready next season must realise deep down it'll be more like the season after that when they'll be more able to be considered on a regular basis.

We need a really good, clinical, striker. Firmino works his arse off but when he gets mentally tired he's spent, and as there's really no one else who can do what he does, that makes us a forward short. They say Origi is best suited to playing centrally but all but one of his best games for me have been when he's cut it from the left. And likeable though he is, he just isn't reliable enough. In midfield, unless Keita really does finally prove he's set for a long run of games, we need a dynamic and versatile midfielder. We simply cannot go through yet another season where we're down to only two, or fewer, fit CBs. And we still need cover for Robbo. (And if Alisson hasn't just had some lousy luck but turns out to be a great keeper who is unusually susceptible to injury problems, we'll need better back up than Adrian.) If FSG think Klopp can wave some magic wand and compensate for not dealing with any of those needs this summer, I don't know what they're smoking.
 
The lockdown has made it really difficult to assess us this season. Personally I think we played better last season. This season, to be honest, many of the games were incredibly frustrating and we ended up nicking the points in a wha-happen sort of way. Psychologically this was great for building a 'champions know how to win ugly' mentality, but, god, we won ugly a bit too often for my liking. Then we really seemed to struggle in the month or so before lockdown, particularly in a creative sense, and it's hard to be sure how that might have developed had the season just gone on. Now after lockdown it's even harder to figure out what's really going on - some other teams really look like they couldn't give a toss, while others are thriving with no great pressure, while City are probably the most focused because of the imminent CL games.

But inside the club there can't be the same open-mindedness as there is outside. There needs to be a glass half empty mentality, and thankfully Klopp seems to be pushing that. But one of the key things we need to see is a willingness to expand and strengthen the squad. We've got three or four promising kids coming through, and a couple more on loan, but no one who has that Michael Owen sort of instant impact in him, yet. Those hacks who strain to suggest they'll be ready next season must realise deep down it'll be more like the season after that when they'll be more able to be considered on a regular basis.

We need a really good, clinical, striker. Firmino works his arse off but when he gets mentally tired he's spent, and as there's really no one else who can do what he does, that makes us a forward short. They say Origi is best suited to playing centrally but all but one of his best games for me have been when he's cut it from the left. And likeable though he is, he just isn't reliable enough. In midfield, unless Keita really does finally prove he's set for a long run of games, we need a dynamic and versatile midfielder. We simply cannot go through yet another season where we're down to only two, or fewer, fit CBs. And we still need cover for Robbo. (And if Alisson hasn't just had some lousy luck but turns out to be a great keeper who is unusually susceptible to injury problems, we'll need better back up than Adrian.) If FSG think Klopp can wave some magic wand and compensate for not dealing with any of those needs this summer, I don't know what they're smoking.

Couldn't put it better myself, so I won't try....excellent post
 
Agree with all that... It's weird, we were playing really well until early Feb when Fab got fit, Henderson's roll changed and we were pretty bollocks from then on. Since the break Fab has probably been our best player, but does playing him adversely shake up the rest of team?
 
The lockdown has made it really difficult to assess us this season. Personally I think we played better last season. This season, to be honest, many of the games were incredibly frustrating and we ended up nicking the points in a wha-happen sort of way. Psychologically this was great for building a 'champions know how to win ugly' mentality, but, god, we won ugly a bit too often for my liking. Then we really seemed to struggle in the month or so before lockdown, particularly in a creative sense, and it's hard to be sure how that might have developed had the season just gone on. Now after lockdown it's even harder to figure out what's really going on - some other teams really look like they couldn't give a toss, while others are thriving with no great pressure, while City are probably the most focused because of the imminent CL games.

But inside the club there can't be the same open-mindedness as there is outside. There needs to be a glass half empty mentality, and thankfully Klopp seems to be pushing that. But one of the key things we need to see is a willingness to expand and strengthen the squad. We've got three or four promising kids coming through, and a couple more on loan, but no one who has that Michael Owen sort of instant impact in him, yet. Those hacks who strain to suggest they'll be ready next season must realise deep down it'll be more like the season after that when they'll be more able to be considered on a regular basis.

We need a really good, clinical, striker. Firmino works his arse off but when he gets mentally tired he's spent, and as there's really no one else who can do what he does, that makes us a forward short. They say Origi is best suited to playing centrally but all but one of his best games for me have been when he's cut it from the left. And likeable though he is, he just isn't reliable enough. In midfield, unless Keita really does finally prove he's set for a long run of games, we need a dynamic and versatile midfielder. We simply cannot go through yet another season where we're down to only two, or fewer, fit CBs. And we still need cover for Robbo. (And if Alisson hasn't just had some lousy luck but turns out to be a great keeper who is unusually susceptible to injury problems, we'll need better back up than Adrian.) If FSG think Klopp can wave some magic wand and compensate for not dealing with any of those needs this summer, I don't know what they're smoking.

That's all fair.

We weren't as entertaining to watch this season as we were last, and we weren't as entertaining last season as we were the one before that... And we were absolutely horrible to watch in the month or six weeks leading up to the lockdown. I made it to the Bournemouth game... Jesus wept!

But we've become that team that's relentless and grinding and I'll take that over flashy but vulnerable. I agree that we do need more in some positions, but I also wonder if the relief of finally getting this monkey off our backs will see this team play with a little more swagger next year... I certainly hope so.
 
Us when we lost to City...
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