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Liverpool bid for Turner rejected: Hull defend £12m for defender

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Is Milito still dead?

Rafa was keen on him at one point, he can play CB/LB and is more than likely surplus to requirements at Barca.

They sent Hleb on loan to Stuttgart... maybe they'd be willing to loan him out as well.
 
who can argue with the wisdom of rafa?
BUT...persoanlly I'd take the chance on a promising kelly and spend every remaining penny on an attacking midfielder than spend double figures on a CB we may not even need if everyone stays fit.
 
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They sent Hleb on loan to Stuttgart... maybe they'd be willing to loan him out as well.
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Didn't Hleb go to Inter as part of the Eto'o deal?
 
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=35127.msg921528#msg921528 date=1249823625]
They sent Hleb on loan to Stuttgart... maybe they'd be willing to loan him out as well.
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Didn't Hleb go to Inter as part of the Eto'o deal?
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He didn't fancy it.
Arsenal signed him from Stuttgart so opted to return there.
 
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=35127.msg921360#msg921360 date=1249804635]
Avy & Aka - how much do you think we have ?

According to my reckoning (and of course no-one knows how much G&H are giving us) we have plenty, plenty plenty.

Keane : 15M
Alonso : 30M
Arbeloa : 4M
Original Transfer Kitty : 20M
Others to depart : 2M to 10M

Spent
Aquilani : 16M

Balance anywhere from ca. 40M to 60M !! We should have more than enough for Silva / Turner & a striker should Rafa & Co. decide we need to buy all three. I seriously doubt spending 8/9M on Turner would impact our ability to buy a winger & back-up striker.

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Glen Johnson Portsmouth £17,500,000 26.06.2009
Alberto Aquilani AS Roma £20,000,000 07.08.2009
 
Kelly reminds me a bit of Phil Thompson and Jamie Carragher in his attitude. He's going to make it, I'm absolutely sure of it. But he needs easing in this season.
 
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=35127.msg921688#msg921688 date=1249848254]
Kelly reminds me a bit of Phil Thompson and Jamie Carragher in his attitude. He's going to make it, I'm absolutely sure of it. But he needs easing in this season.
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I got the same sort of feeling watching him make his first few appearances for the reserves and I don't think we're alone in that respect at all - he's definitely got something about him. I'd like to think that his versatility will work in his favour in terms of establishing himself in the first team. Hope to see him at RB a couple times this season and see how he gets on.
 
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[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=35127.msg921360#msg921360 date=1249804635]
Avy & Aka - how much do you think we have ?

According to my reckoning (and of course no-one knows how much G&H are giving us) we have plenty, plenty plenty.

Keane : 15M
Alonso : 30M
Arbeloa : 4M
Original Transfer Kitty : 20M
Others to depart : 2M to 10M

Spent
Aquilani : 16M

Balance anywhere from ca. 40M to 60M !! We should have more than enough for Silva / Turner & a striker should Rafa & Co. decide we need to buy all three. I seriously doubt spending 8/9M on Turner would impact our ability to buy a winger & back-up striker.

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Glen Johnson Portsmouth £17,500,000 26.06.2009
Alberto Aquilani AS Roma £20,000,000 07.08.2009
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As has been pointed out mate, I forgot GJ and AA was 16+ 4M performance bonuses.
 
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=35127.msg921688#msg921688 date=1249848254]
Kelly reminds me a bit of Phil Thompson and Jamie Carragher in his attitude. He's going to make it, I'm absolutely sure of it. But he needs easing in this season.
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he does need easing, but i guess a baptism of fire is more likely due to injuries
 
We are only looking thin at CB because of the current injury situation. Unless it is confirmed that one of CBs is bound to miss large chunk of the season, we would be foolish to make singning a center back a priority.

We look very very thin in the Center Midfield even with no injuries. A position where we have had at least 5 players who have played more than 10 games every season.

We need to sign an attacking player who can play wide or capably replace Gerrard in his role, when Gerrard is required to fill in at a deeper role......and i have a feeling he is going to be asked to do this on several occasions this season.
 
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Hull City boss Phil Brown admits that he will find it hard to stop Michael Turner from joining Liverpool.

Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez has been tracking the impressive central defender since the opening weeks of last season.

Turner has impressed hugely since the Tigers' promotion to the top-flight, and he played a huge part in their Premier League survival last term.

Benitez, who has money available following the recent sale of Xabi Alonso, is yet to replace Sami Hyypia, who departed the club at the end of last season.

Now a move for Turner looks likely, although Brown is doing everything he can to put the Spaniard off.

"I have spoken to Rafa Benitez about Michael, but his assessment and valuation of the boy is well below ours," he said.

"I would dearly love to keep Michael here with us, but I know that is going to be difficult.

"When one of the top clubs in Europe come calling, a young man's head can be turned.
 
i'd be really disappointed if we spent 6-9 million on this lad when we need a left sided attacker more.

maybe rafa has decided yossi and babel can do a job there this season alongside riera.

infact i can see yossi covering across all the 3 positions behind torres. i just think he's not as good on the left.
 
[quote author=rage link=topic=35127.msg921796#msg921796 date=1249890064]
i'd be really disappointed if we spent 6-9 million on this lad when we need a left sided attacker more.

maybe rafa has decided yossi and babel can do a job there this season alongside riera.

infact i can see yossi covering across all the 3 positions behind torres. i just think he's not as good on the left.
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Is right.

It looks like we're not selling Dossena, and I think we can expect to see him play LW his share this season.
 
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[quote author=rage link=topic=35127.msg921796#msg921796 date=1249890064]
i'd be really disappointed if we spent 6-9 million on this lad when we need a left sided attacker more.

maybe rafa has decided yossi and babel can do a job there this season alongside riera.

infact i can see yossi covering across all the 3 positions behind torres. i just think he's not as good on the left.
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Is right.

It looks like we're not selling Dossena, and I think we can expect to see him play LW his share this season.
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*groans*
 
If Turner tells Phil Brown he wants to leave, then that puts pressure on them aswell. The price won't be higher of around 6 mill.

This lad is a great defender and could be Carras replacement with time. I think he'd get his far share of games this season aswell if we signed him.
 
I think its' a serious error if we bring him in.

None of the 3 CB's are on long-term injury; and even tho Turner is a good defender, do we really want to have 4 good CB's fighting for 2 positions on our books when we have far more glaring deficiencies elsewhere?

This talk is panic stations because we don't want to start the season handicapped; but I think we haven't gota choice if wewant to think long-term.

Firstly the karaoke prick is going to squeeze us for more than 6 million, probably closer to 9-10 million.

That 10 million should go towards another attacking option;in fact that's another way to take pressure of central defence if we think about it.

As for Dossena at LW, well he's even worse at LB (small consolation as it were)
 
I watched Ayala & San Jose played the second half of the AM game decent enough. With one of Carra/Agger/Skrytel not injured, I think Ayala can stand in.
 
If we purchase a young defender to be fourth choice it is a serious vote of no confidence in our youth policy, which while only recently sensibly resolved, has involved us throwing a lot of money at not so young prospects, including defenders.
 
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=35127.msg921831#msg921831 date=1249892679]
I watched Ayala & San Jose played the second half of the AM game decent enough. With one of Carra/Agger/Skrytel not injured, I think Ayala can stand in.
[/quote]Ayala shouldn't be anywhere near the first team for at least 12 months.
 
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=35127.msg921839#msg921839 date=1249893114]
If we purchase a young defender to be fourth choice it is a serious vote of no confidence in our youth policy, which while only recently sensibly resolved, has involved us throwing a lot of money at not so young prospects, including defenders.
[/quote]I don't agree, it just shows that whilst our youth policy is finally starting to work this is a season too soon for them.
 
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[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=35127.msg921839#msg921839 date=1249893114]
If we purchase a young defender to be fourth choice it is a serious vote of no confidence in our youth policy, which while only recently sensibly resolved, has involved us throwing a lot of money at not so young prospects, including defenders.
[/quote]I don't agree, it just shows that whilst our youth policy is finally starting to work this is a season too soon for them.
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How is our youth policy "finally starting to work", if 4 years on, none of the 16-20 year olds we bought can fill in for a couple weeks because we don't trust them, or we've already sold them to a non premiership club? I know the percentages are very low with youth development, but it is a required part of our long term success for it to enjoy some success. The fact is that it really hasn't as yet, in any meaningful way.
 
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[quote author=Flanders link=topic=35127.msg921842#msg921842 date=1249893386]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=35127.msg921839#msg921839 date=1249893114]
If we purchase a young defender to be fourth choice it is a serious vote of no confidence in our youth policy, which while only recently sensibly resolved, has involved us throwing a lot of money at not so young prospects, including defenders.
[/quote]I don't agree, it just shows that whilst our youth policy is finally starting to work this is a season too soon for them.
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How is our youth policy "finally starting to work", if 4 years on, none of the 16-20 year olds we bought can fill in for a couple weeks because we don't trust them, or we've already sold them to a non premiership club? I know the percentages are very low with youth development, but it is a required part of our long term success for it to enjoy some success. The fact is that it really hasn't as yet, in any meaningful way.
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I think there is a reasonable clutch of youngsters who will play for us either as cover or in the first team soon but I think that, apart from Insua, Spurs next week is too soon for them. Which is why I said "finally starting to work" as opposed to "finally working".
 
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=35127.msg921844#msg921844 date=1249893621]
How is our youth policy "finally starting to work", if 4 years on, none of the 16-20 year olds we bought can fill in for a couple weeks because we don't trust them, or we've already sold them to a non premiership club? I know the percentages are very low with youth development, but it is a required part of our long term success for it to enjoy some success. The fact is that it really hasn't as yet, in any meaningful way.
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Insua and El Zhar have joined the first team squad from the reserves so I think it's a unfair to say that there has been no success.
 
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[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=35127.msg921844#msg921844 date=1249893621]
How is our youth policy "finally starting to work", if 4 years on, none of the 16-20 year olds we bought can fill in for a couple weeks because we don't trust them, or we've already sold them to a non premiership club? I know the percentages are very low with youth development, but it is a required part of our long term success for it to enjoy some success. The fact is that it really hasn't as yet, in any meaningful way.
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Insua and El Zhar have joined the first team squad from the reserves so I think it's a unfair to say that there has been no success.
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But the point's still the same, the success has been marginal and you constantly get this impression from Rafa that he'll give them a go pre-season but ultimately when it comes down to it he'd prefer to go out and spend than gamble on a young lad coming good.

Regards El Zhar, his involvement has still be been fairly minimal.
 
[quote author=Flanders link=topic=35127.msg921840#msg921840 date=1249893335]
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=35127.msg921831#msg921831 date=1249892679]
I watched Ayala & San Jose played the second half of the AM game decent enough. With one of Carra/Agger/Skrytel not injured, I think Ayala can stand in.
[/quote]Ayala shouldn't be anywhere near the first team for at least 12 months.
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If we don't give our young reserves chances, we will continue to buy expensive replacements.
 
Why is everyone insisting we MUST buy attacking talent?
In an ideal world we would of course be after a top tier wideman, but the market IS a mess and starting with what we have wouldnt be the end of the world by any means.
It seems people (as i suppose is in our nature) would prefer to grumble and groan about our side than get on and support the lads we have. Which is fine, but id really rather people didnt just make shit up to fit their arguments.
We dont 'desperately need' anything at all in attack. We have the premierships most potent attack already. Even with our two star players injured we outscored everyone. Knocked 4 past Madrid, United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Villa, Blackburn etc and looked like scoring at will. Add to that the second year experience of Dossena and Riera. The (hopefull) improvement of El zhar, n'gog and Babel. The overall reliability of Kuyt and yossi. And thats without 'hoping' the big 2 stay fit.
We've got plenty if needs be.
 
I am agreeing with ze herr a lot this pre season.

GJ is offering of width and assist in attack, as far as I can see.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=35127.msg921858#msg921858 date=1249895436]
Why is everyone insisting we MUST buy attacking talent?
In an ideal world we would of course be after a top tier wideman, but the market IS a mess and starting with what we have wouldnt be the end of the world by any means.
It seems people (as i suppose is in our nature) would prefer to grumble and groan about our side than get on and support the lads we have. Which is fine, but id really rather people didnt just make shit up to fit their arguments.
We dont 'desperately need' anything at all in attack. We have the premierships most potent attack already. Even with our two star players injured we outscored everyone. Knocked 4 past Madrid, United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Villa, Blackburn etc and looked like scoring at will. Add to that the second year experience of Dossena and Riera. The (hopefull) improvement of El zhar, n'gog and Babel. The overall reliability of Kuyt and yossi. And thats without 'hoping' the big 2 stay fit.
We've got plenty if needs be.
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High muthafuckin' five big dog.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=35127.msg921858#msg921858 date=1249895436]
Why is everyone insisting we MUST buy attacking talent?
In an ideal world we would of course be after a top tier wideman, but the market IS a mess and starting with what we have wouldnt be the end of the world by any means.
It seems people (as i suppose is in our nature) would prefer to grumble and groan about our side than get on and support the lads we have. Which is fine, but id really rather people didnt just make shit up to fit their arguments.
We dont 'desperately need' anything at all in attack. We have the premierships most potent attack already. Even with our two star players injured we outscored everyone. Knocked 4 past Madrid, United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Villa, Blackburn etc and looked like scoring at will. Add to that the second year experience of Dossena and Riera. The (hopefull) improvement of El zhar, n'gog and Babel. The overall reliability of Kuyt and yossi. And thats without 'hoping' the big 2 stay fit.
We've got plenty if needs be.
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Kinda my sentiments of late too Oncy.

The problem aswell is that we quite obviously don't have much in the kitty, so we're going to end up in a situation where we buy someone based on our financial limitations, which as we know has spelt disaster in the past.

We need someone to improve on and provide a bit more pentration outwide, either that or a versatile player who can cover most areas of attack (a big ask), but at the price we're looking at we're either gonna have to be incredibly shrewd or we'll have to wait until we're in a position to spend big on that one player.
 
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