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Liverpool bid for Turner rejected: Hull defend £12m for defender

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[quote author=Stu link=topic=35127.msg921244#msg921244 date=1249758503]
I really hope Rafa does not pay anywhere near 12mil for Turner.
He's not actually that good at defending.
Sure he offers a goal threat, but so what?
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he wont.. but city will..

he will go to city...
 
Even if we could get him for £6mil I'd hope that we are not interested.

This lad would be 4th choice and hardly ever used, so whats the point? Hasn't Rafa said that he expects all 3 of our main CB's to be ready for the game next week?

Please use all of the remaining money on an attacking player Rafa (if the robbing cunts free up anymore that is), and then that will at least allow SG to drop back into CM if needed.
 
[quote author=Stu link=topic=35127.msg921244#msg921244 date=1249758503]
I really hope Rafa does not pay anywhere near 12mil for Turner.
He's not actually that good at defending.
Sure he offers a goal threat, but so what?
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But he is actually good at defending.

But heh, we'll wait until he has another storming season, get's a call up to the England squad and we're looking for a long term replacement for Carragher ... all for £15m.
 
We've got skrtel and agger though.. Both are good enough starters.. A back up CB shouldn't be a priority. Not now.
 
I think this is mainly a touch of panic stations because a very unlikely situation has come to pass; namely that all 3 first choice CB's are going into the season picking up injuries.

IF all 3 are likely back soon, it's unnecessary to talk about bringing in a new CB, and Kelly has been quite good in pre-season.

My guess is that Rafa's done with transfers, and is hoping that Bebel,Riera and Lucas will all step up this season.

Big gamble.
 
We've got 3 top top class centre-backs out for a couple of weeks max, and Rafa's contemplating spending 12M on a 4th one.

Wise the fuck up Rafa.
 
See - I don't get this. Last year we had FOUR top class CBs and nobody on here was complaining or saying it was too many. All got plenty of games (inc. subs : Agger 25, Carra 54, Sami 19, Skrtel 30). If we have this situation during the season - and with EPL,CL,FAC & LC there are plenty of matches we will need to rotate players for - then we are going to drop points or exit cups. Players WILL get injured.

I would like to see us have a 4th and Turner is a damn good player. Carra has a couple of years left at the top, if we had Skrtel, Agger, Turner & Kelly going forward from then on I'd be happy. The transfer fee is less of an issue, as I said Hull will probably settle for 8/9M.

And as RTID said, if we wait to get a young English CB until after he's in the England team then either a) Arsenal or like will have snapped him up or b) he will cost a Rio like fee.
 
It's more an issue of priority, I'd say.

Back-up for 3 good players is fine, but not when we have more glaring deficiencies elsewhere.
 
Spending ~£10m on a new CB who can't cover for fullbacks would be crazy in our current situation. We need an experienced versatile player cheap enough to allow us to strengthen elsewhere.

If we can get him for £6m or so fine but we still need cover for our fullbacks and another attacking player. Unless we have more money than expected Turner is a luxury signing.
 
Avy & Aka - how much do you think we have ?

According to my reckoning (and of course no-one knows how much G&H are giving us) we have plenty, plenty plenty.

Keane : 15M
Alonso : 30M
Arbeloa : 4M
Original Transfer Kitty : 20M
Others to depart : 2M to 10M

Spent
Aquilani : 16M

Balance anywhere from ca. 40M to 60M !! We should have more than enough for Silva / Turner & a striker should Rafa & Co. decide we need to buy all three. I seriously doubt spending 8/9M on Turner would impact our ability to buy a winger & back-up striker.
 
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=35127.msg921360#msg921360 date=1249804635]
Avy & Aka - how much do you think we have ?

According to my reckoning (and of course no-one knows how much G&H are giving us) we have plenty, plenty plenty.

Keane : 15M
Alonso : 30M
Arbeloa : 4M
Original Transfer Kitty : 20M
Others to depart : 2M to 10M

Spent
Aquilani : 16M

Balance anywhere from ca. 40M to 60M !! We should have more than enough for Silva / Turner & a striker should Rafa & Co. decide we need to buy all three. I seriously doubt spending 8/9M on Turner would impact our ability to buy a winger & back-up striker.

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Johnson for 17m?

Not sure we have all the money from Keane transfer to spend or indeed an original £20m kitty. I would think we have max £30m.
 
If we spent everything we had, I'd say you're right.We could get all those players.

My guess is that Rafa won't though; this market has proven to be quite ridiculous and there's probably little sense for Rafa in blowing all our funds.Rafa's contract isn't in any danger if he doesn't win 19 this year,after all.Turner is a good player, and would be a good idea all things considered.What I'd like to see is a top attacking player brought in, either a striker or a LM and the corresponding player we have on our books sold IE either Babel or Riera.

The problem is neither player is going to command high fees, and will likely prove difficult to sell.

At the moment, talking about Silva or a new striker is pointless when we have so many players on our books, even if they're pitifully average.
 
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[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=35127.msg921360#msg921360 date=1249804635]
Avy & Aka - how much do you think we have ?

According to my reckoning (and of course no-one knows how much G&H are giving us) we have plenty, plenty plenty.

Keane : 15M
Alonso : 30M
Arbeloa : 4M
Original Transfer Kitty : 20M
Others to depart : 2M to 10M

Spent
Aquilani : 16M

Balance anywhere from ca. 40M to 60M !! We should have more than enough for Silva / Turner & a striker should Rafa & Co. decide we need to buy all three. I seriously doubt spending 8/9M on Turner would impact our ability to buy a winger & back-up striker.

[/quote]

Johnson for 17m?

Not sure we have all the money from Keane transfer to spend or indeed an original £20m kitty. I would think we have max £30m.
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*hand meets forehead*
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=35127.msg921366#msg921366 date=1249805451]
If we spent everything we had, I'd say you're right.We could get all those players.

My guess is that Rafa won't though; this market has proven to be quite ridiculous and there's probably little sense for Rafa in blowing all our funds.Rafa's contract isn't in any danger if he doesn't win 19 this year,after all.Turner is a good player, and would be a good idea all things considered.What I'd like to see is a top attacking player brought in, either a striker or a LM and the corresponding player we have on our books sold IE either Babel or Riera.

The problem is neither player is going to command high fees, and will likely prove difficult to sell.

At the moment, talking about Silva or a new striker is pointless when we have so many players on our books, even if they're pitifully average.
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Our squad is not as strong as that of United or Chelsea so if we have the cash there is no need to sell Riera / Babel. I do however think this IS the year we should go all out for the title.

United whilst not exactly in disarray are seriously weakened (Ronaldo, Tevez and now Hargreaves out for 6 months) and Chelsea with a new manager and diamond formation to adjust to as well as an aging team. Arsenal are not a Top 4 team IMHO this year and Citeh will be much much stronger next season.
 
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=35127.msg921371#msg921371 date=1249806365]
Our squad is not as strong as that of United or Chelsea so if we have the cash there is no need to sell Riera / Babel. I do however think this IS the year we should go all out for the title.
[/quote]

Of course we should always be going for it, but there's certainly an opportunity now. This has been the very definition of a sellers market though.
 
Re: Liverpool bid for Turner rejected: Hull defend £12m for defender

When the money in/out thing is done no-one ever factors in the money to settle up contracts and pay agents.

Or the increase/decrease in wage bill
 
[quote author=Dee link=topic=35127.msg921376#msg921376 date=1249806778]
When the money in/out thing is done no-one ever factors in the money to settle up contracts and pay agents.

Or the increase/decrease in wage bill
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Xabi requested a transfer fee saving us ca. 3M. Keane is another matter though.

Agents I'm not sure about - is it 10% from the actual transfer fee ?

Johnson & Aquilani IN and Xabi & Keane OUT : should be pretty even on the wage side I would imagine.
 
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[quote author=Stu link=topic=35127.msg921244#msg921244 date=1249758503]
I really hope Rafa does not pay anywhere near 12mil for Turner.
He's not actually that good at defending.
Sure he offers a goal threat, but so what?
[/quote]
But he is actually good at defending.

But heh, we'll wait until he has another storming season, get's a call up to the England squad and we're looking for a long term replacement for Carragher ... all for £15m.
[/quote]
So he'll get a game ahead of Ferdinand, Terry, Lescott, Jageilka, Woodgate?
He won't get near a call up. He is good, but not that good.
 
[quote author=Stu link=topic=35127.msg921409#msg921409 date=1249812368]
[quote author=Red_Till_I_Die link=topic=35127.msg921333#msg921333 date=1249785407]
[quote author=Stu link=topic=35127.msg921244#msg921244 date=1249758503]
I really hope Rafa does not pay anywhere near 12mil for Turner.
He's not actually that good at defending.
Sure he offers a goal threat, but so what?
[/quote]
But he is actually good at defending.

But heh, we'll wait until he has another storming season, get's a call up to the England squad and we're looking for a long term replacement for Carragher ... all for £15m.
[/quote]
So he'll get a game ahead of Ferdinand, Terry, Lescott, Jageilka, Woodgate?
He won't get near a call up. He is good, but not that good.
[/quote]

If he played for us in the CL, he'd get picked ahead of Jagielka and Woodgate. I'm not saying he's a better player than them - I haven't seen that much of Turner tbh - but that is how international football works.
 
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=35127.msg921360#msg921360 date=1249804635]
Avy & Aka - how much do you think we have ?

According to my reckoning (and of course no-one knows how much G&H are giving us) we have plenty, plenty plenty.

Keane : 15M
Alonso : 30M
Arbeloa : 4M
Original Transfer Kitty : 20M
Others to depart : 2M to 10M

Spent
Aquilani : 16M

Balance anywhere from ca. 40M to 60M !! We should have more than enough for Silva / Turner & a striker should Rafa & Co. decide we need to buy all three. I seriously doubt spending 8/9M on Turner would impact our ability to buy a winger & back-up striker.

[/quote]

who ever said our original kitty was 20m, that is no means certain with our loan repayments and the yanks having to stump up 60m for refinance
 
didn't rafa say we had money to buy without selling himself?

even if it wasn't 20 million it can't have been far off.

regardless of the g&h show not for one minute do i think we'd enter the summer without a transfer budget of c20 million before sales.
 
[quote author=rage link=topic=35127.msg921452#msg921452 date=1249815882]
didn't rafa say we had money to buy without selling himself?

even if it wasn't 20 million it can't have been far off.

regardless of the g&h show not for one minute do i think we'd enter the summer without a transfer budget of c20 million before sales.
[/quote]

rafa says a lot of things
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=35127.msg921356#msg921356 date=1249802802]
It's more an issue of priority, I'd say.

Back-up for 3 good players is fine, but not when we have more glaring deficiencies elsewhere.


[/quote]

Exactly.
 
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=35127.msg921360#msg921360 date=1249804635]
Avy & Aka - how much do you think we have ?

According to my reckoning (and of course no-one knows how much G&H are giving us) we have plenty, plenty plenty.

Keane : 15M
Alonso : 30M
Arbeloa : 4M
Original Transfer Kitty : 20M
Others to depart : 2M to 10M

Spent
Aquilani : 16M

Balance anywhere from ca. 40M to 60M !! We should have more than enough for Silva / Turner & a striker should Rafa & Co. decide we need to buy all three. I seriously doubt spending 8/9M on Turner would impact our ability to buy a winger & back-up striker.

[/quote]

Everything I've read and heard suggests we paid £20M for Aquilani, not £16M
 
We've got one 'sorta' fit Striker, but I definitely think we should be spending 12M on a 4th choice centre-back.
 
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=35127.msg921360#msg921360 date=1249804635]
Avy & Aka - how much do you think we have ?

According to my reckoning (and of course no-one knows how much G&H are giving us) we have plenty, plenty plenty.

Keane : 15M
Alonso : 30M
Arbeloa : 4M
Original Transfer Kitty : 20M
Others to depart : 2M to 10M

Spent
Aquilani : 16M

Balance anywhere from ca. 40M to 60M !! We should have more than enough for Silva / Turner & a striker should Rafa & Co. decide we need to buy all three. I seriously doubt spending 8/9M on Turner would impact our ability to buy a winger & back-up striker.

[/quote]

What about Johnson.
 
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=35127.msg921473#msg921473 date=1249819168]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=35127.msg921360#msg921360 date=1249804635]
Avy & Aka - how much do you think we have ?

According to my reckoning (and of course no-one knows how much G&H are giving us) we have plenty, plenty plenty.

Keane : 15M
Alonso : 30M
Arbeloa : 4M
Original Transfer Kitty : 20M
Others to depart : 2M to 10M

Spent
Aquilani : 16M

Balance anywhere from ca. 40M to 60M !! We should have more than enough for Silva / Turner & a striker should Rafa & Co. decide we need to buy all three. I seriously doubt spending 8/9M on Turner would impact our ability to buy a winger & back-up striker.

[/quote]

Everything I've read and heard suggests we paid £20M for Aquilani, not £16M
[/quote]

£15m rising to £20m with bonuses. Just like Xabi's fee is £30m rising to £35m with bonuses.
 
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