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LFC SOLD to NESV.

Re: LFC SOLD to NESV! (We know this as the fat man's been stung)

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41783.msg1197899#msg1197899 date=1287182612]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=41783.msg1197894#msg1197894 date=1287182287]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41783.msg1197891#msg1197891 date=1287182162]
I really don't think the council are going to go for redeveloping anfield as the new stadium would actually create more jobs.
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Yeah, they said that recently, which I think is grossly unfair on the club.

We're not a charity, we're a business, whose own self interest has to become before the need of the 'community', because that's how business works.
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I think the new stadium 'is' better for us in a business sense as we would be able to build more corparate boxes which would make us more money.
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If they could be filled.

How is Anfield doing with it's boxes now ?

What about Old Trafford ?
 
Re: LFC SOLD to NESV! (We know this as the fat man's been stung)

you've got to hand it to hicks, even though he is an utter cunt, the stadium design is a work of art.
 
Re: LFC SOLD to NESV! (We know this as the fat man's been stung)

Jesus christ. If we accept some version of reality where we are permanently a midtable club, even though recent history is the anomaly, that's exactly what we will be.

It is imperitive that we build a new stadium should we want to compete long term. That's been the case for 20 years, and it won't cease being the case simply we've had a bad run due to the weight of acquisition debt.
 
Re: LFC SOLD to NESV! (We know this as the fat man's been stung)

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41783.msg1197897#msg1197897 date=1287182434]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=41783.msg1197892#msg1197892 date=1287182177]

incidentally, can anyone confirm whether gillett actually lost any money on the deal? it seems he get off scott-free by forfeiting his shares to mill financial, right?
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I think gillette defaulted on his loans so forfeited his shares, I don't think he made money out of the deal.
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no, he didn't make money clearly - but did he lose it? that's what i was asking.[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41783.msg1197899#msg1197899 date=1287182612]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=41783.msg1197894#msg1197894 date=1287182287]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41783.msg1197891#msg1197891 date=1287182162]
I really don't think the council are going to go for redeveloping anfield as the new stadium would actually create more jobs.
[/quote]

Yeah, they said that recently, which I think is grossly unfair on the club.

We're not a charity, we're a business, whose own self interest has to become before the need of the 'community', because that's how business works.
[/quote]

I think the new stadium 'is' better for us in a business sense as we would be able to build more corparate boxes which would make us more money.
[/quote]


they can put corporate boxes at anfield too, just like when they redeveloped the kemlyn rd stand.
 
Re: LFC SOLD to NESV! (We know this as the fat man's been stung)

[quote author=peterhague link=topic=41783.msg1197905#msg1197905 date=1287182925]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41783.msg1197897#msg1197897 date=1287182434]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=41783.msg1197892#msg1197892 date=1287182177]

incidentally, can anyone confirm whether gillett actually lost any money on the deal? it seems he get off scott-free by forfeiting his shares to mill financial, right?
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I think gillette defaulted on his loans so forfeited his shares, I don't think he made money out of the deal.
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no, he didn't make money clearly - but did he lose it? that's what i was asking.[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41783.msg1197899#msg1197899 date=1287182612]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=41783.msg1197894#msg1197894 date=1287182287]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41783.msg1197891#msg1197891 date=1287182162]
I really don't think the council are going to go for redeveloping anfield as the new stadium would actually create more jobs.
[/quote]

Yeah, they said that recently, which I think is grossly unfair on the club.

We're not a charity, we're a business, whose own self interest has to become before the need of the 'community', because that's how business works.
[/quote]

I think the new stadium 'is' better for us in a business sense as we would be able to build more corparate boxes which would make us more money.
[/quote]


they can put corporate boxes at anfield too, just like when they redeveloped the kemlyn rd stand.
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I don't have a problem with redeveloping anfield but I don't think the council will go for it
 
Re: LFC SOLD to NESV! (We know this as the fat man's been stung)

okay, there you go

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...nfield-stadium

Council ready to block new Liverpool owners' plan for Anfield redevelopment


Quote:
New England Sports Ventures, the company bidding for control of Liverpool, is on a collision course with the city's council over plans to redevelop Anfield. The Liverpool chairman, Martin Broughton, has confirmed the club's prospective new owners NESV – which has a track-record in redeveloping a sports stadium with the Boston Red Sox – will consider upgrading Anfield if a £300m offer to gain control from Tom Hicks and George Gillett is accepted in the high court next week. It is understood that a commitment to put £100m towards a new stadium had previously been a condition of the sale.

The leader of the council, however, insists a U-turn on the stadium would be unlikely to gain approval. "I would discourage them [NESV] from redeveloping Anfield and would encourage them to stick to the commitment that is already in place because I think that is the best solution for everyone – for the club and the city," councillor Joe Anderson said.

NESV's offer was accepted after it increased the equity involved to £240m, matching a rival bid from Asia, and Anderson believes the new stadium must be the priority for the club as he attempts to safeguard the area's regeneration.

Other sources say the same planning obstacles that prompted the former chairman David Moores and the then chief executive, Rick Parry, to propose relocating across Stanley Park still exist, leaving NESV facing the potentially greater expense of a new build.

NESV had to commit to a stadium project during negotiations with Liverpool and still intends to revisit existing plans for a new 60,000-seat arena on nearby Stanley Park. However, considering upgrading Anfield represents a radical departure from the past decade of club and council policy. As far as the council is concerned, that policy has not changed, and with much of the present stadium landlocked in a residential area NESV would have to overcome major obstacles to increase Anfield's capacity to its desired figure of 60,000-plus. These include the purchase of nearby houses to make way for new stands, which Liverpool have already done to some degree, improving public access and objections to a development that would tower over local properties.

A separate, though fundamental, reason for the council's desire for a new stadium – which has planning permission that is due to expire in April 2011 – is to see the creation of the proposed Anfield Plaza on the site of the existing stadium. The Plaza, containing shops, offices and restaurants, is intended to provide a public link to the new arena, but also an estimated 1,000 jobs in one of the most deprived local authority wards in Britain.

This was a key condition in Liverpool obtaining permission to build on public land in Stanley Park and, despite the change from a Liberal Democrat to a Labour council at the last election, it remains a priority for local politicians and residents.

Cllr Anderson, who welcomed the potential change of ownership as "a huge relief", said: "It has been suggested to me that NESV would be willing to meet at the earliest possible opportunity in the event of the takeover and I would urge them to do that to give me the opportunity to find out exactly what their intentions are, because the stadium is a key part of our plans to regenerate north Liverpool.

"Those plans haven't been held up entirely by the stadium situation and it would be wrong to say that they have. But they have had an impact and we just want to be in a position where we have a clear sign that the stadium issue will be resolved one way or another, something Hicks and Gillett failed to do despite the string of promises they made."

NESV members have paid several visits to Liverpool in recent weeks but, with control of the club not yet sealed, have not reached the negotiating stage with the council. They have, however, held discussions with the Royal Bank of Scotland over funding any stadium plans and, unlike Hicks and Gillett, who made themselves hostage to fortune with a promise to "put a spade in the ground within 60 days" of their takeover in February 2007, are reluctant to commit to one proposal at this juncture.

John W Henry the principal investor in NESV, overcame major difficulties to redevelop the historic home of the Boston Red Sox, Fenway Park, although at the cost to the fans of vastly increased ticket prices. Broughton said: "They are going to look at a new stadium but they have experience at Boston of redeveloping an old stadium and just want to be sure they have exhausted all options before deciding on which one, but the commitment is they will do one or the other."

Liverpool's need for improved revenue streams from a new stadium is pressing and was a principal reason why Moores sold his majority shareholding to Hicks and Gillett in 2007. Club accounts for 2008-09 financial year showed Liverpool made £42m from gate and matchday income. In the same period Arsenal made £100m at the Emirates Stadium and Manchester United generated £109m at Old Trafford.

Liverpool is a host city for England's 2018 World Cup bid but with Anfield's capacity over the 40,000 threshold, and NESV committed to some form of rebuilding, that status is not at risk.
 
Re: LFC SOLD to NESV! (We know this as the fat man's been stung)

[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=41783.msg1197904#msg1197904 date=1287182830]
Jesus christ. If we accept some version of reality where we are permanently a midtable club, even though recent history is the anomaly, that's exactly what we will be.

It is imperitive that we build a new stadium should we want to compete long term. That's been the case for 20 years, and it won't cease being the case simply we've had a bad run due to the weight of acquisition debt.
[/quote]Good point Farky, i didnt think of that. If we just BELIEVE we are a top 4 side then the money will be there to build the new stadium without the drag a 300m investment will cause on the short to mid term on the playing side of things.
 
Re: LFC SOLD to NESV! (We know this as the fat man's been stung)

[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=41783.msg1197904#msg1197904 date=1287182830]
Jesus christ. If we accept some version of reality where we are permanently a midtable club, even though recent history is the anomaly, that's exactly what we will be.

It is imperitive that we build a new stadium should we want to compete long term. That's been the case for 20 years, and it won't cease being the case being we've had a bad run due to the weight of acquisition debt.
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EXACTLY. anyone suggesting we stay as we are is an idiot. utd and arsenal make £65m a year more than us from matchday revenue, and spurs have got plans in the offing.

but i do think there's a case - as long as it can be done - for perhaps accepting a little less future revenue in return for less debt and our heritage by extending anfield. that might be a good compromise.
 
Re: LFC SOLD to NESV! (We know this as the fat man's been stung)

Yes, because that's what I said Oncy.

Of course we'll take on debt to fund the stadium, which is exactly what we should do. That's a pretty good reason to have debt. Of course it will restrain our other spending. It doesn't need to be quite as onerous as the restrictions we've had on servicing debt which damaged the value of the club, and it's worth doing in order to secure our long term future.

If NESV didn't believe that we could remain profitable while increasing our revenue streams by dealing with the stadium, then they wouldn't have bought us, because it's absolutely necessary.

The great thing is, they got the club at a price that makes it a realistic proposition, thanks for that H&G.
 
Re: LFC SOLD to NESV! (We know this as the fat man's been stung)

To be honest I want a new stadium, I live 5 min away from the ground and the areas a fucking shithole. There so many other things tied into getting the stadium such as a new sports centre, the plaza and the general area being spruced up. The area needs a new ground it will be the catalyst for sorting this shithole of an area out.
 
Re: LFC SOLD to NESV! (We know this as the fat man's been stung)

neil, i know the council aren't overly keen on extending anfield, but i personally doubt that'd be a major problem. for a start, they can't make NESV build a new stadium. if they tell the council it's not an option then the council will have to get real about the possibilities of expanding anfield, which would, after all, still bring much-needed extra revenue to the area.
 
Re: LFC SOLD to NESV! (We know this as the fat man's been stung)

[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=41783.msg1197913#msg1197913 date=1287183543]
Yes, because that's what I said.

Of course we'll take on debt to fund the stadium, which is exactly what we should do. Of course it will restrain our other spending. It doesn't need to be quite as onerous as the restrictions we've had on servicing debt which damaged the value of the club, and it's worth doing in order to secure our long term future.

If NESV didn't believe that we could remain profitable while increasing our revenue streams by dealing with the stadium, then they wouldn't have bought us, because it's absolutely necessary.

The great thing is, they got the club at a price that makes it a realistic proposition, thanks for that H&G.

[/quote]I know Farky. As always i am just fucking around. Id be in favour of regenerating Anfield at a lower cost if it can be done. But if the council says no then i would hope we would build the sucker.
 
Re: LFC SOLD to NESV! (We know this as the fat man's been stung)

[quote author=peterhague link=topic=41783.msg1197916#msg1197916 date=1287183601]
neil, i know the council aren't overly keen on extending anfield, but i personally doubt that'd be a major problem. for a start, they can't make NESV build a new stadium. if they tell the council it's not an option then the council will have to get real about the possibilities of expanding anfield, which would, after all, still bring much-needed extra revenue to the area.
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It's a massive problem in all honesty so many promises where made when they agreed the new ground.
 
Re: LFC SOLD to NESV! (We know this as the fat man's been stung)

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41783.msg1197917#msg1197917 date=1287183756]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=41783.msg1197913#msg1197913 date=1287183543]
Yes, because that's what I said.

Of course we'll take on debt to fund the stadium, which is exactly what we should do. Of course it will restrain our other spending. It doesn't need to be quite as onerous as the restrictions we've had on servicing debt which damaged the value of the club, and it's worth doing in order to secure our long term future.

If NESV didn't believe that we could remain profitable while increasing our revenue streams by dealing with the stadium, then they wouldn't have bought us, because it's absolutely necessary.

The great thing is, they got the club at a price that makes it a realistic proposition, thanks for that H&G.

[/quote]I know Farky. As always i am just fucking around. Id be in favour of regenerating Anfield at a lower cost if it can be done. But if the council says no then i would hope we would build the sucker.
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That's good.

I just wish I didn't have to continue "working" right now.
 
Re: LFC SOLD to NESV! (We know this as the fat man's been stung)

[quote author=Redshrek link=topic=41783.msg1197914#msg1197914 date=1287183593]
To be honest I want a new stadium, I live 5 min away from the ground and the areas a fucking shithole. There so many other things tied into getting the stadium such as a new sports centre, the plaza and the general area being spruced up. The area needs a new ground it will be the catalyst for sorting this shithole of an area out.
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Alternatively we could just move you and your scally mates out to the suburbs.
 
Re: LFC SOLD to NESV! (We know this as the fat man's been stung)

[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=41783.msg1197921#msg1197921 date=1287183848]
[quote author=Redshrek link=topic=41783.msg1197914#msg1197914 date=1287183593]
To be honest I want a new stadium, I live 5 min away from the ground and the areas a fucking shithole. There so many other things tied into getting the stadium such as a new sports centre, the plaza and the general area being spruced up. The area needs a new ground it will be the catalyst for sorting this shithole of an area out.
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Alternatively we could just move you and your scally mates out to the suburbs.
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Crocky park estate would be nice 😉
 
Re: LFC SOLD to NESV! (We know this as the fat man's been stung)

[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=41783.msg1197920#msg1197920 date=1287183806]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41783.msg1197917#msg1197917 date=1287183756]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=41783.msg1197913#msg1197913 date=1287183543]
Yes, because that's what I said.

Of course we'll take on debt to fund the stadium, which is exactly what we should do. Of course it will restrain our other spending. It doesn't need to be quite as onerous as the restrictions we've had on servicing debt which damaged the value of the club, and it's worth doing in order to secure our long term future.

If NESV didn't believe that we could remain profitable while increasing our revenue streams by dealing with the stadium, then they wouldn't have bought us, because it's absolutely necessary.

The great thing is, they got the club at a price that makes it a realistic proposition, thanks for that H&G.

[/quote]I know Farky. As always i am just fucking around. Id be in favour of regenerating Anfield at a lower cost if it can be done. But if the council says no then i would hope we would build the sucker.
[/quote]

That's good.

I just wish I didn't have to continue "working" right now.
[/quote]Im working tomorrow then i got a week off. Whoooooop
 
Re: LFC SOLD to NESV! (We know this as the fat man's been stung)

[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=41783.msg1197921#msg1197921 date=1287183848]
[quote author=Redshrek link=topic=41783.msg1197914#msg1197914 date=1287183593]
To be honest I want a new stadium, I live 5 min away from the ground and the areas a fucking shithole. There so many other things tied into getting the stadium such as a new sports centre, the plaza and the general area being spruced up. The area needs a new ground it will be the catalyst for sorting this shithole of an area out.
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Alternatively we could just move you and your scally mates out to the suburbs.
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Sorting a bevy out with a few of the lads (Baldrick and Hagar) in work if ye up for it in Nov. Probably a midweek game on the lash.
 
Re: LFC SOLD to NESV! (We know this as the fat man's been stung)

[quote author=Redshrek link=topic=41783.msg1197926#msg1197926 date=1287184041]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=41783.msg1197921#msg1197921 date=1287183848]
[quote author=Redshrek link=topic=41783.msg1197914#msg1197914 date=1287183593]
To be honest I want a new stadium, I live 5 min away from the ground and the areas a fucking shithole. There so many other things tied into getting the stadium such as a new sports centre, the plaza and the general area being spruced up. The area needs a new ground it will be the catalyst for sorting this shithole of an area out.
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Alternatively we could just move you and your scally mates out to the suburbs.
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Sorting a bevy out with a few of the lads (Baldrick and Hagar) in work if ye up for it in Nov. Probably a midweek game on the lash.
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Sound. Just give me a shout
 
Re: LFC SOLD to NESV! (We know this as the fat man's been stung)

[quote author=Redshrek link=topic=41783.msg1197918#msg1197918 date=1287183756]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=41783.msg1197916#msg1197916 date=1287183601]
neil, i know the council aren't overly keen on extending anfield, but i personally doubt that'd be a major problem. for a start, they can't make NESV build a new stadium. if they tell the council it's not an option then the council will have to get real about the possibilities of expanding anfield, which would, after all, still bring much-needed extra revenue to the area.
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It's a massive problem in all honesty so many promises where made when they agreed the new ground.
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But NESV didn't agree anything. Though they're clearly going to be sensitive about what they do.
 
Re: LFC SOLD to NESV! (We know this as the fat man's been stung)

[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=41783.msg1197933#msg1197933 date=1287184425]
[quote author=Redshrek link=topic=41783.msg1197918#msg1197918 date=1287183756]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=41783.msg1197916#msg1197916 date=1287183601]
neil, i know the council aren't overly keen on extending anfield, but i personally doubt that'd be a major problem. for a start, they can't make NESV build a new stadium. if they tell the council it's not an option then the council will have to get real about the possibilities of expanding anfield, which would, after all, still bring much-needed extra revenue to the area.
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It's a massive problem in all honesty so many promises where made when they agreed the new ground.
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But NESV didn't agree anything. Though they're clearly going to be sensitive about what they do.
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I appreciate that they didn't but the impression i get from what we have heard is that he very much cares about the local community and i think the last thing he wants to do is piss off both the community and council.
 
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It's not just corporate boxes, but the conference facilites & events that the club make money on 5days a week. It's the majority of income for Emirates & OT despite the ticket prices & huge capacities.

The stadiums are empty 90% of the time, by utilising that space at that time you make money do thaat you need more space & better facilities, created with conferencing & events in mind.
 
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[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=41783.msg1197937#msg1197937 date=1287184625]
It's not just corporate boxes, but the conference facilites & events that the club make money on 5days a week. It's the majority of income for Emirates & OT despite the ticket prices & huge capacities.

The stadiums are empty 90% of the time, by utilising that space at that time you make money do thaat you need more space & better facilities, created with conferencing & events in mind.
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that's interesting and surprising. have you got a breakdown of their revenues?
 
Nope, I saw the figures for OT a couple of years back & an article I read a while ago said the same about the Emirates but I'm fucked if I can find them.
 
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=41783.msg1197941#msg1197941 date=1287184908]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=41783.msg1197937#msg1197937 date=1287184625]
It's not just corporate boxes, but the conference facilites & events that the club make money on 5days a week. It's the majority of income for Emirates & OT despite the ticket prices & huge capacities.

The stadiums are empty 90% of the time, by utilising that space at that time you make money do thaat you need more space & better facilities, created with conferencing & events in mind.
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that's interesting and surprising. have you got a breakdown of their revenues?
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It doesn't look to be correct. Note 3 to the accounts:

http://www.arsenal.com/assets/_files/documents/sep_10/gun__1285660177_Arsenal_Holdings_plc_Annual_Re.pdf
 
[quote author=Niall K link=topic=41783.msg1197947#msg1197947 date=1287185353]
Has Rebel still not appeared in this thread.

Brendan any chance of giving your mate a shout?
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The cunt only turns up when it suits his fucking agenda....... Don't encourage him!
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=41783.msg1197948#msg1197948 date=1287185366]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=41783.msg1197941#msg1197941 date=1287184908]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=41783.msg1197937#msg1197937 date=1287184625]
It's not just corporate boxes, but the conference facilites & events that the club make money on 5days a week. It's the majority of income for Emirates & OT despite the ticket prices & huge capacities.

The stadiums are empty 90% of the time, by utilising that space at that time you make money do thaat you need more space & better facilities, created with conferencing & events in mind.
[/quote]

that's interesting and surprising. have you got a breakdown of their revenues?
[/quote]

It doesn't look to be correct. Note 3 to the accounts:

http://www.arsenal.com/assets/_files/documents/sep_10/gun__1285660177_Arsenal_Holdings_plc_Annual_Re.pdf
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thanks.

the worrying thing about that is arsenal have turned over £235m in past 2 years from 'Property development'. i wonder if that's all related to the redevelopment of Highbury to offset cost of the the Emirates, because we haven't got any way of reproducing that sort of contribution.
 
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