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Lance Armstrong?

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I´m currently reading "It´s not about the bike" and started wondering (again) if the fucker was guilty or not. If I´m correct he has never been found guilty of using performance enhancing drugs? But on the other hand: Has there EVER been a top professional road racing cycklist who hasn´t been using?

What do you think? I say: He was using.
 
Im fairly sure he was using.
I read a great piece about him in Pro-cycling talking about just this. The article was basically saying that the cycling community as a whole was aware of the gravitas of 'catching' Lance.
Its not about catching yet another cyclist who uses (i think anyone who follows cycling is dubious about any successful cyclist) its about making 'Livestrong' a lie. The article went on to say that its more than likely that he was throughout his career but it will probably never come to light because of the damage it will do to millions of peoples lives.
Its literally Not about the bike.

Btw thats one of the best books ever.
 
It's a great book.

I'm pretty sure most athletes are pushing the limits of legality. Look at Contador last year. Anything that can give a slight advantage will be exploited.

Lots of accusations, but its never actually been proven.
 
I reckon most of them are on some sort of performance enhancing substance. The bike also makes it easier, I reckon that they should be given standardised bikes to race on. Old rusty 1980s era racers with rusty wheels, dodgy brakes and a broken right peddle. That would really be a test of who is the best cyclist. To spice it up every so often a pack of stray dogs should be released to chase them down the street and they could have special stages where they have to deliver newspapers. I would watch that sport.
 
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I reckon most of them are on some sort of performance enhancing substance. The bike also makes it easier, I reckon that they should be given standardised bikes to race on. Old rusty 1980s era racers with rusty wheels, dodgy brakes and a broken right peddle. That would really be a test of who is the best cyclist. To spice it up every so often a pack of stray dogs should be released to chase them down the street and they could have special stages where they have to deliver newspapers. I would watch that sport.
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The bike really has very little to do with it.

It's all about the drugs, diet and rider. Mostly the drugs and rider.
 
The diet is an interesting one, with vegans now competing.

Maybe the drugs are getting better.
 
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*awaits one, R.Murphy, of Dublin*
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yeah ?

Much like everyone else I'd be extremely suspicious, I doubt anyone that's won the Tour de France since the 70's has been clean. The thing that jumps out is so many of his teammates have been caught and/or admitted to drug use. Are we honestly meant to believe he's just some super human whose teammates need to get drugged up to be good enough to support him ?
 
I read into this quite a lot recently. Started off going through Paul Kimmage's stuff, and just kept delving further.

I'm 100% convinced he was using.

Google the Paul Kimmage & Floyd Landis interview if you're interested. It's fucking brilliant stuff.
 
He was using and pushing his teammates to use.
Landis and Hamilton have testified against him. Investigation going on in the states.

Having said that, I still think he was the best and most professionnal as the vast majority of riders were taking drugs.
His main rival Uhlrich, got caught and is often associated with the Puerto scandal.
 
Drug taking was the only way he could get such emotion going when he sang 'We have all the time in the world'.
 
Sorry I disagree, I loved the book and I guess I want to believe.

But the facts are even though he competed through probably the most disgraceful period of Cycling we have ever known, with rider after rider being caught out, he has never been caught.

I believe after the Chemo his body was basically empty and wasted away to nothing, so he decided he would dedicate everything to cycling. Therefore his physiology was specifically adapted to this, combined with the best coaching and kit available, his body became a cyclist and nothing more.
I think he even mentions in the book that whilst he can cycle for hours at amazing speeds, he can barely swim a length of a swimming pool.

He comes across in interviews as an arrogant prick and his personal relationships are bit crap, but when he comes to cycling he is the man.

I would love to know how much testing Migual Indurain was subjected too?
 
Federal prosecutors in the United States have dropped their investigation into allegations of doping at a professional cycle racing team which is partly owned by Lance Armstrong.
A grand jury in Los Angeles had been hearing evidence from former teammates and associates of the cycling legend.
United States Attorney Andre Birotte said media speculation meant a public announcement was necessary.
Lance Armstrong has always denied taking drugs.
He won the Tour de France for seven consecutive years from 1999-2005.
The cancer survivor retired from competitive cycling for the second time in 2011.
Several former fellow cyclists on the US Postal team have come forward to claim that the former champion used performance-enhancing substances.
Responding to the news that the inquiry has been closed, Mr Armstrong's lawyer Mark Fabiani said that the cyclist was pleased that prosecutors "made the right decision," and that he was "determined to devote his time and energy" to his cancer foundation Livestrong, the Associated Press news agency reports
 
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I cycled around France on drugs once.
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LOL.
 
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I cycled around France on drugs once.
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LOL.
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He was in his living room at the time.
 
Contador found guilty and stripped of 2010 Tour and Giro

Alberto Contador has been stripped of his victory in the 2010 Tour de France and will play no part in this year's race after the court of arbitration for sport gave the Spaniard a two-year ban for a positive test for the stimulant clenbuterol during the 2010 Tour. That race will now be awarded to Andy Schleck of Luxembourg, who finished runner-up by only 39 seconds.

Contador's suspension was considered to have begun on 25 January 2011, although he had been provisionally banned for the six months before that. He will therefore return on 6 August this year – meaning he would be free to compete in his home Vuelta a España in late August and early September.

Among the races he will miss is the Olympic time trial, which is good news for Britain's Bradley Wiggins. In total, Contador will lose 12 victories in the races he has ridden since the process started, including last year's overall win in the Giro d'Italia, plus two stages and the points classification.

Schleck insisted he would not take any joy from being given the 2010 Tour title and that Contador's ban saddened him because he "always believed in his innocence". Schleck is now the favourite for this summer's race and he said: "My goal is to win the Tour de France in a sportive way, being the best of all competitors, not in court. If I succeed this year, I will consider it as my first Tour victory." Wiggins, meanwhile, has been installed as the 9-2 third favourite with one bookmaker.

L'Equipe is reporting that the International Cycling Union has applied through CAS for a €2.5m fine to be levied on the Spaniard, possibly to cover its huge legal costs. Contador could still appeal through the Swiss courts to have the suspension overturned, but it is not yet clear what his intentions are. He has called a press conference for later on Monday afternoon to address the situation.

The 2010 Tour is the second to be decided through the courts in only five years; the 2006 race winner Floyd Landis was also deprived of victory following a positive test for testosterone. The CAS verdict brings to an end one of cycling's most protracted doping sagas: Contador's positive test dated back to 21 July 2010, when he was tested during the Tour's rest day in Pau, four days before the Paris finish.

Contador proclaimed his innocence from the moment the test result was made public, claiming that he could only have ingested clenbuterol through eating beef that had been contaminated with the drug. That assertion was dismissed by the World Anti-Doping Agency, which brought the appeal to CAS – together with the International Cycling Union (UCI) – after Contador was cleared by the Spanish Cycling Federation in January 2010.

In explaining the reasons behind its judgment, a CAS statement read: "Alberto Contador alleged that the presence of clenbuterol in his system originated from eating contaminated meat. The UCI and Wada submitted that it was more likely that the adverse analytical finding of the athlete was caused by a blood transfusion or by the ingestion of a contaminated food supplement than by the consumption of contaminated meat.

"The panel found that there were no established facts that would elevate the possibility of meat contamination to an event that could have occurred on a balance of probabilities. Unlike certain other countries, Spain is not known to have a contamination problem with clenbuterol in meat. Furthermore, no other cases of athletes having tested positive to clenbuterol allegedly in connection with the consumption of Spanish meat are known."

The UCI president, Pat McQuaid, said: "This is a sad day for our sport. Some may think of it as a victory but that is not at all the case. There are no winners when it comes to the issue of doping: every case, irrespective of its characteristics, is always a case too many."

Michele Scarponi, the new winner of the 2011 Giro, raced with Contador at Liberty Seguros prior to his own suspension for his implication in Operación Puerto, and he was muted in his response to being retroactively awarded the maglia rosa at Contador's expense.

"Together with my team, Lampre-ISD, I acknowledge the decision taken by CAS on the Contador case," Scarponi said. "From a human point of view, I'm very sorry for Alberto. From a professional aspect, this decision doesn't change the value of the results I have obtained up to now or my future objectives."

What is clenbuterol?
Like amphetamine or ephedrine, clenbuterol acts as a stimulant, increasing heart rate. In medicine, it is used to treat asthma.

Like some steroids, the drug also has anabolic effects. Athletes and body builders use it to build muscle and burn fat. The drug is banned in sports as a performance enhancer and is readily detectable in urine samples. First-time offenders risk a two-year competition ban.

The drug is officially classed as a beta-2 agonist, not a steroid.

Farmers illegally use clenbuterol to bulk up livestock and produce leaner meat. In China, where its illegal use in farming has been well documented, clenbuterol is nicknamed "lean meat powder". Some athletes have tested positive for traces of the drug after eating contaminated meat.

The drug is potentially dangerous and can have nasty side effects for humans. These can include headaches, trembling, nausea, heart palpitations and other poisoning symptoms. There have been numerous documented cases of people being forced to seek hospital treatment after eating meat contaminated with high concentrations of clenbuterol.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/feb/06/alberto-contador-ban-tour-cycling
 
Just reading it myself. Pretty obvious really, had forgotten this was ongoing though.

Serves him right for being a cunt.
 
Thats what he gets for attacking when Schlecks chain popped off.
He won because he ignored historical protocol. So fuck him the devious little cockend.
 
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Thats what he gets for attacking when Schlecks chain popped off.
He won because he ignored historical protocol. So fuck him the devious little cockend.
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This is correct
 
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