L.F.C. Liverpool Fans Cooperative. Suggestions Thread

[valley boyo]

So this is where we're up to over at S-T.

We're basically thinking about trying to host a web page. Ideally all the sites would host the same page from a specified time to a specified time.

The page would include all the logos of all the sites hosting the page.

The page would have a very simple message about the debt problems at lfc and the necessity for unity of purpose, the message would be decided and agreed upon by the admins of the respective sites in co-ordination with their members.

We would also want to reach out to the AIB's as each of them tend to have a site, and members on each of our forums.

If they wish to attach their logo to the page too, then that's be great and host the page as well.

Ideally this would replace all our home pages for a limited period.

There would be a click trough from that page to a more detailed description of the debt problem, content to be agreed. The page could be either hosted at SOS or at all our sites, but the same page again.

We'd then tweet and facebook the fuck out of it from the moment it goes live.

It'd both hi-light that the biggest problem at our club is the owners, perhaps garner some media interest, and if nothing else get more people aware of the problem... after all have you seen some of the comments from people on the LFC facebook page? Kin ell it's just bonkers. They don't have the first clue we're in deep shit.

Anyway, thoughts and suggestions welcome.

 

[Whitey85]

What is S-T?

 

[refugee]

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What is S-T?
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Scouser Tommy

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=Salt On Everything link=topic=40250.msg1104821#msg1104821 date=1273846876]
So this is where we're up to over at S-T.

We're basically thinking about trying to host a web page. Ideally all the sites would host the same page from a specified time to a specified time.

The page would include all the logos of all the sites hosting the page.

The page would have a very simple message about the debt problems at lfc and the necessity for unity of purpose, the message would be decided and agreed upon by the admins of the respective sites in co-ordination with their members.

We would also want to reach out to the AIB's as each of them tend to have a site, and members on each of our forums.

If they wish to attach their logo to the page too, then that's be great and host the page as well.

Ideally this would replace all our home pages for a limited period.

There would be a click trough from that page to a more detailed description of the debt problem, content to be agreed. The page could be either hosted at SOS or at all our sites, but the same page again.

We'd then tweet and facebook the fuck out of it from the moment it goes live.

It'd both hi-light that the biggest problem at our club is the owners, perhaps garner some media interest, and if nothing else get more people aware of the problem... after all have you seen some of the comments from people on the LFC facebook page? Kin ell it's just bonkers. They don't have the first clue we're in deep shit.

Anyway, thoughts and suggestions welcome.
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A big problem, but maybe not the biggest

I think you should see what happens with selling the club first old chap, we wouldn't want to put off any potential investors would we



regards

 

[Judge Jules]

Definitely agree with that last bit. Pushing this just now could turn out to be a real own goal if we're not careful.

 

[robinhood]

What's the point of it? Is it to drum up interest in a co-operative, or to wave a big banner about our problems?

 

[robinhood]

Personally I don't think either would stop a potential investor from trying to buy the club, by the way.

 

[Judge Jules]

The more support this gets, the more trouble a potential investor might think they were buying, which would risk lowering their offer or putting them off altogether. It's not a cert to happen, but neither is it a risk I think we should take just now.

 

[robinhood]

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The more support this gets, the more trouble a potential investor might think they were buying, which would risk lowering their offer or putting them off altogether. It's not a cert to happen, but neither is it a risk I think we should take just now.
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Or alternatively they might be pleased at buying a club whose massive fanbase clearly cares so dearly about it.

 

[Judge Jules]

Fair point, but I think they'd know that already. It would be the main basis for their interest to begin with.

 

[robinhood]

It would be part of the reason these theoretical investors would already be interested, sure.

They aren't going to be put off because they are reminded of it though

 

[keniget]

As Robin said, what's the point of this?

All we ever hear about now is that the owners are the biggest problem. Well, they've publicly said they're looking to sell and brought in a man of repute to handle proceedings.

What more exactly do you want them to do at this time other than lower their price to nothing?

 

[refugee]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=40250.msg1104904#msg1104904 date=1273856223]
All we ever hear about now is that the owners are the biggest problem. Well, they've publicly said they're looking to sell and brought in a man of repute to handle proceedings.

What more exactly do you want them to do at this time other than lower their price to nothing?
[/quote]

Isn't that a bit of a naive way of looking at things? Didn't Mike Ashley put Newcastle up for sale 2 seasons ago in order to stop the supporters protesting, and who is the chairman of Newcastle now?

I don't necessarily agree with the idea of a web page devoted to our debt, but if the supporters want the club sold then they should keep protesting.

 

[keniget]

Perhaps, but G&H have very different reasons for selling than Ashley. The point is that it's no longer much of a choice anymore, isn't it?

I just don't see the point of this. Maybe I'm missing something.

What has deciding to support Norwich done for the Mancs so far?

 

[Jazzmaster]

It's a means of uniting the fans in one voice to focus on the main problem at Liverpool, i.e. the owners and the debt. There is no guarantee that the club will be sold anytime soon. None. Their valuation is too high. We could still be here in 2 years time, sliding down the league table. It's time to focus all the fans on the crippling debt imposed upon LFC which is slowly running it into the ground. It's time raise awareness throughout our fanbase that this is the primary issue affecting our club and no change in manager or players will change the fact that financially we're facing ruin.

SOS has done a good job so far in addressing some of these issues, but that group is somewhat exclusionary and divides liverpool fans' opinion to some extent with their actions. What the collective aims to do is unite the many and various factions of liverpool fans so that the focus and opposition to the owners will be greater than ever before. We cannot sit idly by and do nothing. This collective will not overlap with the work of SOS, but rather add weight to it, and at the same time, raise awareness of the problems at LFC by providing a base for all, rather than some, Liverpool fans worldwide. SOS membership currently stands at a mere 5000. Liverpool has an estimated 80 million fans worldwide. The collective aims to bridge that gap in awareness.


All our voices united will create a powerful force.

 

[Rosco]

Who exactly is unaware of the debt problem ?

 

[Jazzmaster]

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Who exactly is unaware of the debt problem ?
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I suppose the real question that should be asked is that why so few have joined SOS?

 

[keniget]

Err because they are exclusionary and divide opinion with their actions?

 

[Jazzmaster]

But as I say, raising awareness is only part of the aim of the collective. Primarily it's aim is to unite all the opposition to Hicks and Gillett under one umbrella organisation. The club have recently indicated that they will not talk to SOS because they only represent 5000 fans. Well if the collective is successful we aim to have many mutiples of that figure in terms of members, an amount that the club cannot disregard so easily.

 

[Rosco]

So what will you do differently to SOS ? Are any meaningful ideas being brought forward to actually change things or will the collective be the equivalent of Amnesty International, who aim to stop tyrants around the world from oppressing their people by writing letters.

Everybody is aware at this stage, if you want to shift the Yanks something more real is needed. We've had too much tokenism already.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I like the idea and it can't do any harm but won't get off the ground if people think it's falling under SOS's umbrella.

 

[Jazzmaster]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40250.msg1104988#msg1104988 date=1273869021]
So what will you do differently to SOS ? Are any meaningful ideas being brought forward to actually change things or will the collective be the equivalent of Amnesty International, who aim to stop tyrants around the world from oppressing their people by writing letters.

Everybody is aware at this stage, if you want to shift the Yanks something more real is needed. We've had too much tokenism already.
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There are plans being discussed already. But first we want to see if the collective is something fans and associations are willing to join and support. We agree that tokenism will only get you so far. But that discussion is for another day. First off, it's simply a case of joining everyone together.

 

[Rosco]

I think you'd need to bring forward some plans and ideas first before a lot of people would support the collective.

 

[FoxForceFive]

If it's a case of simply saying as a collective 'we want G&H out', I have no problem with that, if it affiliates us with SoS then I do take issue, many of their actions I dont agree with at all & wont have anything to do with.

 

[Jazzmaster]

[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=40250.msg1104989#msg1104989 date=1273869048]
I like the idea and it can't do any harm but won't get off the ground if people think it's falling under SOS's umbrella.
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It is specifically not falling under the umbrella of SOS. They have their constitution and elected members and are driven by a specific mandate decided upon by a select group of people. The collective aims to be far broader and much more accessible. We do however expect SOS to form part of the collective as this is about unifying fans rather than dividing them. The hope is for a free-to-join collective comprised of official and unofficial fan organisations, fansites and indeed anyone else that would like to add their voice to the opposition.

In any event, we hope this site gives the idea some thought and discussion as your input will be invaluable in building this from an idea to a reality.

Rememeber, no matter how helpless we may feel or how little difference we think we can make, we do have a voice and it's time to use it. Together we can become a massive force.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=40250.msg1104989#msg1104989 date=1273869048]
I like the idea and it can't do any harm but won't get off the ground if people think it's falling under SOS's umbrella.
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It is specifically not falling under the umbrella of SOS. They have their constitution and elected members and are driven by a specific mandate decided upon by a select group of people. The collective aims to be far broader and much more accessible. We do however expect SOS to form part of the collective as this is about unifying fans rather than dividing them. The hope is for a free-to-join collective comprised of official and unofficial fan organisations, fansites and indeed anyone else that would like to add their voice to the opposition.

In any event, we hope this site gives the idea some thought and discussion as your input will be invaluable in building this from an idea to a reality.

Rememeber, no matter how helpless we may feel or how little difference we think we can make, we do have a voice and it's time to use it. Together we can become a massive force.
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I haven't got an issue with anything you've said there Jazz but also agree with Ross. People need to see some ideas/plans. Personally I think all the owners of the major LFC sites should get together to discuss.

 

[Jazzmaster]

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[quote author=Jazzmaster link=topic=40250.msg1104998#msg1104998 date=1273869966]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=40250.msg1104989#msg1104989 date=1273869048]
I like the idea and it can't do any harm but won't get off the ground if people think it's falling under SOS's umbrella.
[/quote]

It is specifically not falling under the umbrella of SOS. They have their constitution and elected members and are driven by a specific mandate decided upon by a select group of people. The collective aims to be far broader and much more accessible. We do however expect SOS to form part of the collective as this is about unifying fans rather than dividing them. The hope is for a free-to-join collective comprised of official and unofficial fan organisations, fansites and indeed anyone else that would like to add their voice to the opposition.

In any event, we hope this site gives the idea some thought and discussion as your input will be invaluable in building this from an idea to a reality.

Rememeber, no matter how helpless we may feel or how little difference we think we can make, we do have a voice and it's time to use it. Together we can become a massive force.
[/quote]

I haven't got an issue with anything you've said there Jazz but also agree with Ross. People need to see some ideas/plans. Personally I think all the owners of the major LFC sites should get together to discuss.
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Indeed I think this is being organised as we speak Sheik. Once that is done and discussions have taken place on the various boards and there is good support for the collective, i expect that plans will follow reasonably quickly.

 

[Squiggles]

I think it's a decent enough idea providing it's done the right way, but as Ross says, people need to see more before they will get behind it fully.

 

[SaintGeorge67]

do SOS really represent 5000 fans?

 

[localny]

I know share LFC have the idea out there, but imagine we had 500,000 fans donating $100 or more into an eschrow fund.

How many LFC fans are around the world? I am guessing 500,000 is maybe a fraction?

Feck, I'd donate $1000, and this fund would be given to the new owners, once Gillette and Hicks are GONE....

You'd be talking potentially a decent sum of cash..

Ok Dreamland, I know..

Nice incentive for someone to buy...and the money would be on condition that G and H move on..