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Heh that's great. Dickinson with some real hard hitting journalism there, going where no one else will.

I'd get annoyed but it's so transparent you've got to laugh. Sadly there will be enough people that take it seriously but I guess that's why the media are as they are here.
 
I don't recall any major critical pieces about Ginsoak. Probably too scared of a ban. One of the things I find most inexcusable about Dickinson is that he has an incredibly thin skin, so while he expects all of his targets to take his attacks on the chin, if they say anything negative back he starts a campaign against them. But poor old Klopp hasn't even spoken to the daft twat yet. I guess he wants to depict himself as the first man to see through the hype, so he'll be willing Klopp to fail from now on. He's put his marker down. Always looking out for the cynical move.
 
Yes, all the 'housewives,' with their scarves wrapped over their hair, doing the washing all day whilst listening to Radio 2.
 
Patronising to journalists? Klopp can charm but he can also pull off a world-class sneer. You might think that is no bad thing — the media dish it out, we should take it too — but belittling hacks does not tend to play well beyond a club’s supporters.

How long before Klopp is snapping like he did at Borussia Dortmund in a press conference when it was pointed out by someone from the club’s website that he was on a losing run against Hamburg: “The last thing I need is for you to bring that up, a***hole”.

Or reprising that moment before a Champions League tie, live on television, when a journalist from ARD, the state broadcaster, pushed him on the transfer of Mario Götze to Bayern Munich and he retorted, dripping with sarcasm: “Sorry, what department? Animal documentaries?”


But there will come a day too when he decides that he does not like the look of someone like Stephan Mai, a German TV reporter, who seemed to be around every time Klopp’s Dortmund stumbled on their travels, a coincidence that became particularly vexing after a 1-1 draw away to Kaiserslautern.

“Kiss my a***. Really, no joke. Giving you an interview now . . . that’s as much fun as toothache,” Klopp told Mai, ducking through a barrier with a dismissive “Du Seuchenvogel”, calling the journalist an “infected bird”, a bad-luck omen.

Someone really must tell the journos where David bought his beer, and if they keep on producing only bullshit they should be lectured. They will not like it, but I assume Jurgen is capable of telling the one that only wirte bullshit driectly!!
 
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Oooh, I love that Mourinho, me, oh yes, he can throw a big one up top any time, he can, he can park his bus in front of my box whenever he likes, he can, er, phone his wife before the whistle goes to tell her the result!
 
This poisonous little stick-insect is really the pits. Klopp's not even had a game yet and Dickinson has already lost patience and plunged into his first sneering critique:

Don’t be fooled by the smile, ‘normal one’ has a dark side
Klopp was sent to the stands on at least eight occasions during his time with Mainz and Borussia Dortmund
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    Klopp was sent to the stands on at least eight occasions during his time with Mainz and Borussia Dortmund Alex Grimm/Getty Images
Matt Dickinson Chief Sports Writer
Last updated at 12:01AM, October 16 2015

Matt Dickinson says there are many reasons to welcome the new Liverpool manager, but fears that the charm offensive won’t last

As José Mourinho finds fresh conflict and conspiracy everywhere he turns, at least there is that lovely Jürgen Klopp to keep us smiling. Ah yes, the “normal one” with his cool jeans-jacket combo, his self-deprecation, the twinkle in his eye and stylish stubble on his rugged chin. Klopp is the future — bright, optimistic — like Mourinho used to be. Or so we like to think.

“They all end up paranoid and mad,” Gary Lineker once said when dismissing the idea that he would ever become a football manager. We have been so busy gushing over the latest, exciting addition to the Barclays Premier League soap opera that we have rather overlooked that Klopp will not always be grinning. Paranoid and mad? Klopp does that bit, too.

Blaming his woes on referees? Klopp can resort to that cheap tactic along with the worst of them. A check of his misdemeanours shows that he has been sent to the stands at least eight times for volcanic explosions.

Patronising to journalists? Klopp can charm but he can also pull off a world-class sneer. You might think that is no bad thing — the media dish it out, we should take it too — but belittling hacks does not tend to play well beyond a club’s supporters.

How long before Klopp is snapping like he did at Borussia Dortmund in a press conference when it was pointed out by someone from the club’s website that he was on a losing run against Hamburg: “The last thing I need is for you to bring that up, a***hole”.

Or reprising that moment before a Champions League tie, live on television, when a journalist from ARD, the state broadcaster, pushed him on the transfer of Mario Götze to Bayern Munich and he retorted, dripping with sarcasm: “Sorry, what department? Animal documentaries?”

His first press conference at Anfield has been hailed as the most alluring since a smouldering Portuguese charmed every housewife in Britain, and quite a few men besides. Yesterday Klopp was on full beam again, full of jokes about his “funny glasses” while talking seductively about “seeing more fun” in his players’ eyes.

But there will come a day too when he decides that he does not like the look of someone like Stephan Mai, a German TV reporter, who seemed to be around every time Klopp’s Dortmund stumbled on their travels, a coincidence that became particularly vexing after a 1-1 draw away to Kaiserslautern.

“Kiss my a***. Really, no joke. Giving you an interview now . . . that’s as much fun as toothache,” Klopp told Mai, ducking through a barrier with a dismissive “Du Seuchenvogel”, calling the journalist an “infected bird”, a bad-luck omen.

As one experienced German writer explained yesterday, Klopp’s natural demeanour is an eagerness to please and entertain but apply the pressure and he can quickly become cranky.

We love his straight-talking but will it be so appealing if Klopp turns it on officials, using them as punchbags? He has plenty of form. In 2012, Lutz Michael Fröhlich, head of referees in Germany, accused him of inciting violence on amateur pitches by setting a bad example. “Even if he says ‘sorry’ . . . his behaviour was so aggressive that it could lead to violent excesses further down,” Fröhlich said.

The admonishment followed a number of bust-ups right back to Klopp’s early management days at Mainz, including a fine of €12,500 for yelling “you idiot!” at one official.

The rage did not die down when Klopp joined Dortmund, with his touchline explosions including a verbal tirade against Jochen Drees, a Bundesliga referee, and his assistants after a defeat by Hamburg. The abuse started on the pitch and continued as the officials retreated to the changing room, resulting in a €12,000 fine. “I do not know if we’ve ever scored a point with him [Drees]. Probably yes. But it was not because of his decisions,” Klopp said in fluent managerial paranoia.

At 6ft 4in, Klopp can be an intimidating man with a menacing teeth-bared snarl; once shoving his baseball cap right in the face of Stefan Trautmann so that it banged into the fourth official. Make that another €10,000.

Klopp has exported his rage on to the European stage, sent to the stands in Dortmund’s Champions League game against Napoli for pulling at the fourth official’s arm, towering over him and screaming in his face. He could count himself lucky to be banned for two games.

Sent off in March last year for “repeated rudeness” during a game against Borussia Mönchengladbach, Klopp insisted that he was guilty of that “now world-famous look on my face. He can’t send me off for that.”

Klopp insisted then that he had been harshly treated but we should acknowledge that, in contrast to many contemporaries, he does admit when he has gone too far. Looking back at himself after that Champions League explosion, he confessed: “I made a fool of myself and it’s not acceptable. I went over the top, and it was completely stupid.”

Unlike Mourinho, for whom the Eva Carneiro moment is proving terribly self-defeating, Klopp does not regard “sorry” as the hardest word. He has offered apologies in the wake of some of his worst bursts of temper which, cumulatively, have worked out at fines of at least €58,000 (about £37,000) over the years.

Those penalties, of course, mean nothing except loose change and Klopp has shown that he is a recidivist, like most of his dugout colleagues. Football’s ridiculous tolerance of abuse of officials will ensure that he slips into old habits sooner or later.

He will explode here, and it will be a shame when he does. There are many reasons to welcome Klopp as a fresh, charismatic voice and galvanising coach. But another manager raging at officials? We have too many of those already.

What a ridiculous attention-seeking prick. I hope Klopp treats them all with the contempt they deserve.
 
Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp to restrict training ground visits by wives and girlfriends as new era dawns

Klopp tells squad that they must see Melwood solely as their ‘headquarters of football’ as stricter routines are swiftly adopted, with an emphasis on fitness

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Klopp has already overseen a number of training ground changes Photo: Getty


By Chris Bascombe
10:30PM BST 16 Oct 2015

Jurgen Klopp has already put his stamp on Liverpool by imposing new rules restricting visits by wives and girlfriends to the club’s training ground.

The German has informed his players they must see Melwood solely as their ‘headquarters of football’. It will not be a place where an assortment of hanger-ons delivering the latest smartphones can stroll in or out at a whim.
Similarly, a culture of regular, routine days off during the working week is over.

In the era of Gerard Houllier and Rafa Benitez a day off was to be earned – a reward for exceptional performances. In those years back-to-back days off were a rarity. Klopp will restore that ethos.

“We need to train for as often and for as long as it is possible,” Klopp said.

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Klopp's emphasis on fitness is a throwback to the Houllier and Benitez eras

Some Liverpool players have been more guilty than others when inviting their acquaintances to the training facility. There may be rare occasions when this is relaxed rather than serve as an outright ban, but it is evidently an issue that needed addressing.

Klopp’s perspective represents a shift, as does a more physically demanding training schedule.
The most obvious, visible alteration between now and the end of the season is Liverpool’s players will look fitter and sharper, although Klopp was keen for the differences between his and predecessor Brendan Rodgers’ approach to be put into context.

“My ideas are not better than Brendan’s. They are different,” said Klopp.After all the hype, Klopp is as eager as anyone to get on with the football ahead of his first game in English football on Saturday at Tottenham Hotspur where he could give a start to Divock Origi.

There were moments when preparing for the trip to White Hart Lane when the German manager sounded like a newcomer being polite in the face of overbearing hospitality.

His welcome to England has been both flattering and bewildering, the reputation he forged in Dortmund earning him instant respect but excessive adulation.

“We have to go to London, go into the stadium, go out of the dressing room and show what we can do,” he said. The message – which will endear him more to those on The Kop slightly uneasy at the premature hailing of a new messiah – is he wants to earn admiration for what is to come, not what has been elsewhere.

More here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...y-wives-and-girlfriends-as-new-era-dawns.html
 
Liverpool must stop fawning over Jurgen Klopp

Gary Neville: Anfield needs to rediscover its self-belief and realise their new manager is lucky to have them - not vice versa

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Liverpool should stop fawning over Jurgen Klopp Photo: 2015 Getty Images




By Gary Wank Neville
3:42PM BST 16 Oct 2015

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When Liverpool appointed Brendan Rodgers in June 2012, John Henry, the club’s owner, said: “He has a comprehensive football philosophy perfectly in line with the club.” Rodgers, they said, was “at the forefront of a young generation of managers and will bring attacking relentless football.”
There is not much difference between that and the fanfares for Jurgen Klopp, except that Liverpool’s new manager has won two Bundesliga titles and reached a Champions League final. I don’t want to be the one popping the balloon at a party, but the giddiness around Klopp’s arrival is about to collide with the reality of Liverpool’s current situation.
I’m not sure whether Klopp reads our media but I imagine he would be quite uncomfortable seeing the eulogies. There’s been quite a bit of fawning when he has yet to play a football match in England, never mind win one.
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Jurgen Klopp has a big task awaiting him at Anfield
Liverpool need to get their belief and confidence back, and feel – actually, this guy is being given a responsibility, and it’s a privilege. It is almost as if Liverpool have to impress Jurgen Klopp. It should be the other way round.
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On the internet I came across ex-Liverpool players saying this was ‘a marriage made in heaven’ and ‘it’s giving me goosebumps.’
Well, I’m not a Liverpool fan. I get that. I understand the intrigue and the excitement around a new manager, but I’m also thinking: if we go back to original principles, it was about managers having to prove themselves, players having to prove themselves, people in life having to prove themselves. Now, we elevate people to the status of exotic creatures.
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Liverpool has been gripped by Klopp-mania
The other issue is that of the English manager. I have almost given up on the idea of an English manager winning the league. We have lost every ounce of belief in our own system, our own ability to coach and manage. It has never been at a lower ebb. And that’s reflected in the way we have greeted a foreign manager this week. I bet Klopp can’t believe it. If a German manager went to Spain there is no way the Spanish would react in this manner.
Of course there would be a fanfare, and excitement. But there would also be pressure on him. Here, it’s almost as if Liverpool Football Club feels blessed to have him - and I’m uncomfortable with that.
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Klopp's Borussia Dortmund side were a joy to watch
I’m all for optimism. And I’m intrigued. Watching Klopp’s Dortmund team was a pleasure. For a couple of seasons they had me on the edge of my seat. They were what I believe a football team to be: fast, tenacious, pressing from the front, winning the ball back early, energetic. It was the perfect coming together of a manager, players and fans.
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Possibly the best game I’ve covered on television was the Champions League semi-final, Dortmund v Real Madrid. Lewandowski scored a hat-trick and I remember thinking: I am absolutely privileged to be in this stadium tonight. The noise, the connection between manager, fans and players, the electricity, the feeling that everyone was one.
The ‘high press’ is being discussed a lot. When I think of styles of play, there is only one I would classify as genuinely new: the Barcelona way, of playing out of your own box five minutes into a European Cup final while being ‘pressed high.’


And then passing a team to death, playing with no centre forward. That Barcelona side was genuinely innovative. Neither Jurgen Klopp nor Mauricio Pochettino, the Spurs manager, would claim to be revolutionaries. The Ian Rush and Peter Beardsley Liverpool sides ‘pressed from the front.’ We love to buy a buzzword.
As a professional, I am slightly uncomfortable to see Klopp placed on a pedestal, and I suspect he will be too. In the modern game we rave about how someone handles a press conference. Klopp has been pushed into suggesting he knows things that we don’t. To his credit he tried to play that down.
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Inside he must be feeling: ‘Hang on, please judge me in 18 months or two years, I’m a human being, not a miracle worker,’ although he has promised to win a title within four years (and I can’t think he was referring to the FA Cup or Capital One Cup).
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Klopp wants to win the title within four years
He has set himself a high standard, and there are things that will have to change. He will have to recruit incredibly well - and hope that Manchester United, Chelsea, Manchester City and Arsenal recruit less well. In other words he will have to defy all odds to win the league, which would be a huge achievement, just as it would have been for Brendan Rodgers 18 months ago.
I struggle to think of the last time Liverpool signed a Grade A player. Luis Suarez was turned into a Grade A player. But it might be 10 years since they signed one already at world-class level.
Will he be able to sign a Lewandowski, Gotze or Gundogan, who has already been linked with Liverpool? Will he join Liverpool or Barcelona, Arsenal, Chelsea, Real Madrid? To win a league Klopp will need to attract that level of player. Fenway Sports Group will have to put their hand in their pocket more than they already have. Or Klopp will need to be an incredibly shrewd recruiter to outgun the wealth of Chelsea, City, United and Arsenal.
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John W Henry must make money available to Jurgen Klopp
There is much to like about his appointment, of course. Klopp has a great personality, in an emotional city. After his first 10 days we know what car he drives, what food he eats, we know everything. But on the professional side he will be desperate to get a team out there and get on with the coaching.
The most influential ex-Liverpool players are surfing the wave of support. They play a large part in determining the strength of a Liverpool manager’s position. The emotion around Liverpool can be a weakness at times. At this early stage the city is falling at Jurgen Klopp’s feet. The balance hasn’t been found. All problems seem to have melted away. This is how it feels, anyway.
The first task looks to be bedding in the players they bought over the summer. Brendan Rodgers wasn’t given enough time to do that, despite being given money to invest in that transfer window.
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Brendan Rodgers was not given enough time at Anfield
So, where does Firmino fit in? Where does Benteke fit in with Sturridge? How does he get Lallana, Coutinho and Firmino into the same team. How does he sort out his centre-back problem. Where does he play Emre Can, who’s been moved around but is, I believe, a good player. How does he pull together a team. But the main job is the bedding-in.
The job of a manager in the first few months is to make the players understand the culture, the way of playing, the standards, and win along the way.
To press up the pitch with the players he has is not automatically possible. Klopp has to instill it and it won’t be until January or February, when he’s had three months to work on the players, when we will see his ideas embedded. It would be unrealistic to expect Liverpool to turn Spurs over 3-0 while strangling them high up the pitch.


The harshness of the Brendan Rodgers sacking was that it came eight games into the season when he was asked to integrate new players, having lost Raheem Sterling in the summer and Suarez the year before. Ultimately Klopp will be judged in two years after two or three transfer windows when he has his own squad.
To win the title will require one of the outstanding managerial performances of all time. Or the owners are going to have to throw the bank at it and give him the money to entice top-class players to Merseyside. Can lightning strike twice for Klopp in another country?
 
To be fair to Neville he makes some good points and some bad points. For Klopp to Overhaul Mancity,Chelsea,Arsenal and Man Utd in four years would be a phenomenal achievement given our current level of investment and the wages we pay at the moment. Also the location of the club could prove problematical when it comes to recruiting top class players as we won't be the only ones to offer big wages and merseyside hasn't got the lure of London or even Manchester these days. The other thing Klopp would have to change is the mentality of the players and the club as a whole. His assertion that belief was needed to succeed hit home with me (especially away from home) as too often in the last ten years never mind the last two we've gone away from home and struggled to assert ourselves and be confident in the way we play against the best teams. Even two years ago it was only really at Tottenham and Man utd where we really did the business against a direct rival and even then the two teams we did it against hardly had stellar years.
As far as fawning over him then he might look at the media rather than Liverpool fans for that.The fans have welcomed him no doubt but no one underestimates how hard his job is and how much work he has to do to put things right. We might be only six points off the top of the table but we all know how far away we actually are to challenging.
To dismiss the emotional aspect of the club when it comes to the manager is a bit naive by Neville. Liverpool fans have been waiting for the league title for so long that they need to believe that the manager can deliver that elusive league championship. If they don't have that belief like the last year or so with Rodgers or in Kennys last six months or from the start with Hodgson then your days are numbered. That's not to say that Liverpool fans are overly fickle , as I think we give managers far more understanding than most clubs but once they collectively lose confidence then your finished. The worst thing an anfield crowd can do is not boo you off the pitch but not applaud you off the pitch.
Around the time of the semi final defeat to Villa ,Liverpool fans had lost patience with Rodgers and his name was rarely sung again which may not mean much at other clubs but at ours it spells the end. Once you've lost the fans then you need something seismic to turn that around and that doesn't happen very often.
I ,like most people was impressed by Klopps first press conference but more because he made me feel good about being a Liverpool supporter again. Humility was something that Rodgers couldn't quite master but it's what Klopp seemed to promote more than anything. The assertion that only working as a team and being prepared to work hard in order to reap the rewards seemed rereshing even though it's what all succesful teams manage to do.
I hope that it's not just in the managers position that the club are prepared to change as the only way to catch up with the teams ahead of us is for the whole club to become more professional and capable of delivering success. They current owners have made great strides commercially but remain backward when it comes to football infrastructure , dealing with the media and players contracts. A capable Chief executive would deal with some of theose points but i don't think there will be any change on that front so the new managerial appointment could well make a big difference but without the neccessary backup it might not be enough.
 
Hummels predicts further success in England :

“I am convinced Klopp can win the league at Liverpool," he said. “He has shown he doesn’t need the biggest transfer budget or the biggest name to win the biggest trophies." “Of course there are teams in England that have no financial restrictions when it comes to buying players, but he showed at Dortmund that he has the intelligence to combat that. Perhaps not immediately, but in time I am sure that he can.

“He is a winner, I know him. His long term goal won’t just be to qualify for the Champions League, and settle for that. “It will be to challenge Manchester United, Manchester City, Chelsea, and Arsenal for the title, and he is absolutely capable of doing that.”
 
To be fair to Neville he makes some good points and some bad points. For Klopp to Overhaul Mancity,Chelsea,Arsenal and Man Utd in four years would be a phenomenal achievement given our current level of investment and the wages we pay at the moment. Also the location of the club could prove problematical when it comes to recruiting top class players as we won't be the only ones to offer big wages and merseyside hasn't got the lure of London or even Manchester these days. The other thing Klopp would have to change is the mentality of the players and the club as a whole. His assertion that belief was needed to succeed hit home with me (especially away from home) as too often in the last ten years never mind the last two we've gone away from home and struggled to assert ourselves and be confident in the way we play against the best teams. Even two years ago it was only really at Tottenham and Man utd where we really did the business against a direct rival and even then the two teams we did it against hardly had stellar years.
As far as fawning over him then he might look at the media rather than Liverpool fans for that.The fans have welcomed him no doubt but no one underestimates how hard his job is and how much work he has to do to put things right. We might be only six points off the top of the table but we all know how far away we actually are to challenging.
To dismiss the emotional aspect of the club when it comes to the manager is a bit naive by Neville. Liverpool fans have been waiting for the league title for so long that they need to believe that the manager can deliver that elusive league championship. If they don't have that belief like the last year or so with Rodgers or in Kennys last six months or from the start with Hodgson then your days are numbered. That's not to say that Liverpool fans are overly fickle , as I think we give managers far more understanding than most clubs but once they collectively lose confidence then your finished. The worst thing an anfield crowd can do is not boo you off the pitch but not applaud you off the pitch.
Around the time of the semi final defeat to Villa ,Liverpool fans had lost patience with Rodgers and his name was rarely sung again which may not mean much at other clubs but at ours it spells the end. Once you've lost the fans then you need something seismic to turn that around and that doesn't happen very often.
I ,like most people was impressed by Klopps first press conference but more because he made me feel good about being a Liverpool supporter again. Humility was something that Rodgers couldn't quite master but it's what Klopp seemed to promote more than anything. The assertion that only working as a team and being prepared to work hard in order to reap the rewards seemed rereshing even though it's what all succesful teams manage to do.
I hope that it's not just in the managers position that the club are prepared to change as the only way to catch up with the teams ahead of us is for the whole club to become more professional and capable of delivering success. They current owners have made great strides commercially but remain backward when it comes to football infrastructure , dealing with the media and players contracts. A capable Chief executive would deal with some of theose points but i don't think there will be any change on that front so the new managerial appointment could well make a big difference but without the neccessary backup it might not be enough.

Liverpool pisses all over Manchester. It's a shit-tip. And full of Mancs.
 
Liverpool pisses all over Manchester. It's a shit-tip. And full of Mancs.
I'm not saying Manchester is better than Liverpool at all but it's definitely perceived that way by most people who haven't been here. If you're from abroad or even down south it would be easy to look at Manchester as having more to offer as they promote themselves far better than Liverpool do. This isn't helped by the regional television and and newspapers being based in greater manchester, even the Liverpool Echo is printed in Oldham thesedays.
Then you've got all this Northern powerhouse stuff going on with the government and Manchester whilst the latest reports about Merseyside's bid for something similar suggest we're going to get knocked back.
I've lived in Liverpool all my life and have no plans to ever move away but that doesn't mean that I look at my city through rose tinted glasses. Things are far better than they used to be but we still have some way to catch up.
Our city centre is light years better than it was ten or twenty years ago but a lot of the suburbs have hardly changed at all.
 
I'm not saying Manchester is better than Liverpool at all but it's definitely perceived that way by most people who haven't been here. If you're from abroad or even down south it would be easy to look at Manchester as having more to offer as they promote themselves far better than Liverpool do. This isn't helped by the regional television and and newspapers being based in greater manchester, even the Liverpool Echo is printed in Oldham thesedays.
Then you've got all this Northern powerhouse stuff going on with the government and Manchester whilst the latest reports about Merseyside's bid for something similar suggest we're going to get knocked back.
I've lived in Liverpool all my life and have no plans to ever move away but that doesn't mean that I look at my city through rose tinted glasses. Things are far better than they used to be but we still have some way to catch up.
Our city centre is light years better than it was ten or twenty years ago but a lot of the suburbs have hardly changed at all.
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