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[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=41235.msg1157939#msg1157939 date=1282293535]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=41235.msg1157936#msg1157936 date=1282293432]
I dont get how him improving his offer is definitely good?

If I were bidding for something & had to up the bid, either I fucked up completely & offered too little, panicked & upped it, meaning I'm a nob, or I was outbid. If it's the latter it suggests valuations have a fair bit of swing, which isnt good, & the start of a bidding war, which isnt good, cos the more money spent to buy the club the more the yanks get profit & the less cash goes towards players.
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Or it could indicate that the muppets have said they wont sell for £325M but will sell for £400M
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Also not a good thing. If that's the case he's the WORST negotiator since Waco.

"I will give you 325m"

"No. We want 400m"

"Ok. 400m"
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41235.msg1157922#msg1157922 date=1282293077]
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=41235.msg1157912#msg1157912 date=1282292706]
I really don't like the idea of Kenyon having anything to do with this.

Or breathing for that matter
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Agreed, but I'll put up with his involvement if it helps to bring about the right change of ownership. He may be a cnut, but at least this time he's our cnut.
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Was thinking the same thing too.
 
From Football365

Former Chelsea and Manchester United chief executive Peter Kenyon is 'fronting' Kenny Huang's Liverpool takeover bid, according to reports.

Bloomberg reported on Thursday evening that Kenyon, now director at the US-based Creative Arts Agency, has been negotiating with Liverpool on behalf of Huang's bid to buy the club.

Kenyon was reportedly brought in for discussions with Liverpool chairman Martin Broughton because of his experience and expertise in English football, and while his involvement may add some credibility to Huang's bid, the move may not go down well on Merseyside.

However, while Kenyon may be helping with the bid, The Guardian reports that he will not have any role at the club should Huang's takeover go through.

Marc Ganis, an American 'sports executive' and previously involved with Huang's QSL sports group, is no longer working on the deal.

The revelation comes after reports emerged on Thursday that Huang had become disillusioned with the speed of negotiations, claiming that the club were taking too long to verify his funds. The reports suggested Huang was ready to pull out of the deal if things did not move more quickly.

However, The Daily Telegraph reports that 'sources close to the sale process' believe that to be a negotiating tactic, and that Huang will 'issue a statement in the next 24 hours clarifying his position.'
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=41235.msg1157945#msg1157945 date=1282293657]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=41235.msg1157939#msg1157939 date=1282293535]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=41235.msg1157936#msg1157936 date=1282293432]
I dont get how him improving his offer is definitely good?

If I were bidding for something & had to up the bid, either I fucked up completely & offered too little, panicked & upped it, meaning I'm a nob, or I was outbid. If it's the latter it suggests valuations have a fair bit of swing, which isnt good, & the start of a bidding war, which isnt good, cos the more money spent to buy the club the more the yanks get profit & the less cash goes towards players.
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Or it could indicate that the muppets have said they wont sell for £325M but will sell for £400M
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Also not a good thing. If that's the case he's the WORST negotiator since Waco.

"I will give you 325m"

"No. We want 400m"

"Ok. 400m"
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Or the best negotiator.

"We want 600-800m,"

"I'll give you £325m"

"It's too low"

"I'll give £400m then"

"Oh, Ok then"
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=41235.msg1157945#msg1157945 date=1282293657]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=41235.msg1157939#msg1157939 date=1282293535]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=41235.msg1157936#msg1157936 date=1282293432]
I dont get how him improving his offer is definitely good?

If I were bidding for something & had to up the bid, either I fucked up completely & offered too little, panicked & upped it, meaning I'm a nob, or I was outbid. If it's the latter it suggests valuations have a fair bit of swing, which isnt good, & the start of a bidding war, which isnt good, cos the more money spent to buy the club the more the yanks get profit & the less cash goes towards players.
[/quote]

Or it could indicate that the muppets have said they wont sell for £325M but will sell for £400M
[/quote]

Also not a good thing. If that's the case he's the WORST negotiator since Waco.

"I will give you 325m"

"No. We want 400m"

"Ok. 400m"
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It's hard to say though, there are so many variables.

IF the Huang/American/Dalek whatever consortium IS being funded with Chinese money behind the scenes...I think the Chinese hardball will be more posturing than any real threats to walk away.

We would be a massive coup in Asia if an Asian group bought us over.

I have my doubts tho; we'd be a bit of a hot potato for Chinese money..British cultural icon and all that.
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=41235.msg1157936#msg1157936 date=1282293432]
I dont get how him improving his offer is definitely good?

If I were bidding for something & had to up the bid, either I fucked up completely & offered too little, panicked & upped it, meaning I'm a nob, or I was outbid. If it's the latter it suggests valuations have a fair bit of swing, which isnt good, & the start of a bidding war, which isnt good, cos the more money spent to buy the club the more the yanks get profit & the less cash goes towards players.
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It is good in that, the Americans may now be more willing to do a deal.

They got a great fucking deal when they got the club from Moores. It was massively undervalued then, and they were grinning from ear to ear about that. I think they would expect to make a modest profit, at least , when they exit.

They did not have much to do with it, but the clubs revenue has increased and it is likely to increase much further. It stands to reason that they could try to hold on if people forced to impose a sale which results in them losing money, in spite of chancing their way to an asset that generates over 100 million pounds a year.

Less cash to yanks and more for players is ideal - but why should the yanks accept an exit like that?
 
[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=41235.msg1157964#msg1157964 date=1282294335]
It is good in that, the Americans may now be more willing to do a deal.

They got a great fucking deal when they got the club from Moores. It was massively undervalued then, and they were grinning from ear to ear about that. I think they would expect to make a modest profit, at least , when they exit.

They did not have much to do with it, but the clubs revenue has increased and it is likely to increase much further. It stands to reason that they could try to hold on if people forced to impose a sale which results in them losing money, in spite of chancing their way to an asset that generates over 100 million pounds a year.

Less cash to yanks and more for players is ideal - but why should the yanks accept an exit like that?

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What??

Fuck me, I hate the yanks, but even if you loathe them you cant deny they have made us a major force in terms of marketing, sponsorship, revenue & merchandise again.

They didnt personally do the deals, but they brought everyone in who did, therefore they had a LOT to do wit hit.
 
I'd have to agree with that, albeit through clenched teeth.

The answer to kingjulian's question is: to avoid the very real risk that they end up with nothing whatsoever.
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=41235.msg1157968#msg1157968 date=1282294502]
[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=41235.msg1157964#msg1157964 date=1282294335]
It is good in that, the Americans may now be more willing to do a deal.

They got a great fucking deal when they got the club from Moores. It was massively undervalued then, and they were grinning from ear to ear about that. I think they would expect to make a modest profit, at least , when they exit.

They did not have much to do with it, but the clubs revenue has increased and it is likely to increase much further. It stands to reason that they could try to hold on if people forced to impose a sale which results in them losing money, in spite of chancing their way to an asset that generates over 100 million pounds a year.

Less cash to yanks and more for players is ideal - but why should the yanks accept an exit like that?

[/quote]

What??

Fuck me, I hate the yanks, but even if you loathe them you cant deny they have made us a major force in terms of marketing, sponsorship, revenue & merchandise again.

They didnt personally do the deals, but they brought everyone in who did, therefore they had a LOT to do wit hit.
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Not debating that - My point was that they would deserve the money that the market is willing to pay them. So this adds more weight.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41235.msg1157970#msg1157970 date=1282294682]
I'd have to agree with that, albeit through clenched teeth.

The answer to kingjulian's question is: to avoid the very real risk that they end up with nothing whatsoever.
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I'd be pretty much gobsmacked if they didn't have a back-up plan to this take-over process. The fact that they are actively liquidating assets elsewhere also points to the likeliness that they do.

That will be their only negotiation option.
 
The 325 only covered the debt. If this last bid is true, then I guess they've given H&G an ultimatum, take it or leave it with a small profit. If this now is accepted then it can only be a good thing no?

The Kirdi bid was 600 mill Ross.
 
If it is really a Chinese negotiator it will go something like this:

G&H:
This nice piece of LFC is branded very good one, got history some more, to you ah, sell cheap cheap, cost 1,000m, for you only 800m. I earn some only. Very cheap to get a world brand.

KH:
Noooooooooooooooooooo wayyyyyy. LFC is lousy. 7th place. Where got value. I give you 320m. Take it or leave it.
*begins to walk away*

G&H:
Nnnoo no wait.. can discuss one. ok ok, give you 700m. Today is your lucky day

KH:
*shrugs shoulders and continue to walk... slowly*

G&H:
AIYAHHHHHHHHHHHH *Runs after KH* ok ok, you very lucky. Very good to bargain. Give you 600m. That is my last offer.

KH:
*turns around slowly and looked at G&H through the corner of his eyes* nah,... give you 330m. NO?
*turns around to pretend to walk* again

G&H (in desperation):
Grabs KH by the shoulder. Don't be like that. We come half way. You win. I get back my cost. 500m, *swears in cowboy slang*

KH:
Nope, not really interested, give you 340m.

G&H:
Like that I go bankrupt. Since we are so near. I make a deal. I lose little money. You get BIGGGGG Bargain. *pretend to cry* 450m. I cut loss.

KH:
No. Not interested. 350m. That's it. *really begin to walk away fast*

G&H:
Noooooo *trying to put up a fake smile* we are so near to agreement. We can do business. My final final final offer RM420m

KH:
360m, that's it. Taking too much of my time. I not interested any more. *continues walking*

G&H (chasing):
Ok boss, you really best. So good. I lose. 380m for the banks. 20m for us. After 4 years that is lousy profit. Have pity of us (squeeze some tears out)

KH:
Whips out a phone pretending to call someone. "AIYAHHHHHHHHH zhahskkka kks ka kaakkk xx zzz"
In a reluctant voice. 400m. That is daylight robbery! *ptui* Ok! since my wife says ok, you get the deal. I lose 40 million!
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=41235.msg1157989#msg1157989 date=1282295811]
The 325 only covered the debt. If this last bid is true, then I guess they've given H&G an ultimatum, take it or leave it with a small profit. If this now is accepted then it can only be a good thing no?

The Kirdi bid was 600 mill Ross.
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He can't have been able to prove financing then, or surely that would been accepted.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=41235.msg1157989#msg1157989 date=1282295811]
The 325 only covered the debt. If this last bid is true, then I guess they've given H&G an ultimatum, take it or leave it with a small profit. If this now is accepted then it can only be a good thing no?

The Kirdi bid was 600 mill Ross.
[/quote]

If it was it would have been accepted straight away.

He himself said it was 400m.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=41235.msg1157997#msg1157997 date=1282296085]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=41235.msg1157989#msg1157989 date=1282295811]
The 325 only covered the debt. If this last bid is true, then I guess they've given H&G an ultimatum, take it or leave it with a small profit. If this now is accepted then it can only be a good thing no?

The Kirdi bid was 600 mill Ross.
[/quote]

If it was it would have been accepted straight away.

He himself said it was 400m.
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It was reported to be 600 mill, which strangely enough was the valuation set by the owners. But that doesn't matter he has been found out anyway. And isn't in the running anymore. If his backers are true, then they did an awful job in hiring this clown.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=41235.msg1158000#msg1158000 date=1282296273]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=41235.msg1157997#msg1157997 date=1282296085]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=41235.msg1157989#msg1157989 date=1282295811]
The 325 only covered the debt. If this last bid is true, then I guess they've given H&G an ultimatum, take it or leave it with a small profit. If this now is accepted then it can only be a good thing no?

The Kirdi bid was 600 mill Ross.
[/quote]

If it was it would have been accepted straight away.

He himself said it was 400m.
[/quote]

It was reported to be 600 mill, which strangely enough was the valuation set by the owners. But that doesn't matter he has been found out anyway. And isn't in the running anymore. If his backers are true, then they did an awful job in hiring this clown.
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The SOS line, well done Hansern. Take a step back and open your fucking eyes.

How do you choose one clown over the other ?
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=41235.msg1158012#msg1158012 date=1282296551]
You should run a multi billion global imperium Ross, you seem to know everything.
[/quote]

Agreed.

To give some sort of actual response to you. You have since the beginning of this thread been spouting the Barrett, Huang PR, SOS line. Presumably because you seem to visit a lot of other sites too, and that's where you get it from.

Now have a good look at some of the things which you've argued, and see if any of them remain true.

The Yanks have no say in the sale - not true.
Kirdi is not involved at this stage because he has been "found out" - all reports suggest otherwise
Huang won't enrich the owners - not true.
You believe Kirdi bid 600m - which has been denied and is highly unlikely to be true since if it had been that high the deal would be done already.


I have absolutely no inside info. I do have an understanding of company law though, and with it you can see through a hell of a lot of bullshit which is handy when you're looking at articles from British newspapers.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=41235.msg1158015#msg1158015 date=1282296580]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=41235.msg1158012#msg1158012 date=1282296551]
You should run a multi billion global imperium Ross, you seem to know everything.
[/quote]

Agreed.

To give some sort of actual response to you. You have since the beginning of this thread been spouting the Barrett, Huang PR, SOS line. Presumably because you seem to visit a lot of other sites too, and that's where you get it from.

Now have a good look at some of the things which you've argued, and see if any of them remain true.

The Yanks have no say in the sale - not true.
Kirdi is not involved at this stage because he has been "found out" - all reports suggest otherwise
Huang won't enrich the owners - not true.
You believe Kirdi bid 600m - which has been denied and is highly unlikely to be true since if it had been that high the deal would be done already.


I have absolutely no inside info. I do have an understanding of company law though, and with it you can see through a hell of a lot of bullshit which is handy when you're looking at articles from British newspapers.

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geewillickers mr rosco, while it's fun to hear you telling others what isn't true, don't you think you could also bestow us with your opinion of what is actually going on?

the suspense is driving us crazy here, mister!
 
We're being sold, there are a number of parties interested. The Board will pick a deal that suits the Yanks and we'll have new owners soon thereafter.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=41235.msg1158062#msg1158062 date=1282300425]
We're being sold, there are a number of parties interested. The Board will pick a deal that suits the Yanks and we'll have new owners soon thereafter.
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So it won't neccesarily be , as Broughton states, the best deal for the club and he thus risks his reputation and integrity if we land a duffer again ?
 
Got a bit info, apparently its 60-40 in favour of the americans refinancing. Fucking hell! Oh and we are close to finalising a deal on a striker no names though.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=41235.msg1158062#msg1158062 date=1282300425]
We're being sold, there are a number of parties interested. The Board will pick a deal that suits the Yanks and we'll have new owners soon thereafter.
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It'll be a deal that suits the shareholders, 2/5ths of whom are the yanks, no?
 
I'm getting bored of this now.. I think in future I might go into hibernation from July 1st-August 31st.. Sure i'd miss my birthday and the first few games of the season - but logging on here for hours/day to see if we've been linked with a player or investor really isn't healthy. Life needed.
 
[quote author=Redshrek link=topic=41235.msg1158086#msg1158086 date=1282301732]
Got a bit info, apparently its 60-40 in favour of the americans refinancing. Fucking hell! Oh and we are close to finalising a deal on a striker no names though.
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That's the worst news I've heard in a long time.

Presumably that means Hicks & Gillette + 1 other are in favour.

No doubts as to who the haters will think it is
 
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=41235.msg1158108#msg1158108 date=1282302847]
[quote author=Redshrek link=topic=41235.msg1158086#msg1158086 date=1282301732]
Got a bit info, apparently its 60-40 in favour of the americans refinancing. Fucking hell! Oh and we are close to finalising a deal on a striker no names though.
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That's the worst news I've heard in a long time.

Presumably that means Hicks & Gillette + 1 other are in favour.

No doubts as to who the haters will think it is
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You never know what can happen, apparently the other 2 are threating legal action against the banks and the board. They really are clinging on for there lives. It could be a load of crap aswell just from me mate, who passes the team stuff.
 
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