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Keita was more effective for us last season, when he wasn't even here. The lad needs sorting out mentally.

are you having a laugh? why is it fashionable to keep digging at the lad?

its nothing to do with his mentality. its adjusting to a completely new playing style and incorporating the things hes been asked to do in his game. he put in a 'Leipzig' performance against west ham and was excellent.
 
are you having a laugh? why is it fashionable to keep digging at the lad?

its nothing to do with his mentality. its adjusting to a completely new playing style and incorporating the things hes been asked to do in his game. he put in a 'Leipzig' performance against west ham and was excellent.

It's not really digging at him to make the point that the idea of him last year was better than the reality so far. It's kinda funny, we went on an amazing run but we'd all still look at each other after we'd smashed city or Rome and say, fucking hell imagine we'd had keita too. I'm not being all neg and I'm not saying he won't come good, but I get what Macca is saying here.
 
What are we ?

We're certainly not in a vacuum. We're in a context informed by the hype about him. Klopp has commented on how reserved he is. I'm reliably informed he wanders around Melwood practically glued to Mane, he often communicates via Mane, he had a stress-related collapse last year - I'd say there's possibly a mental/emotional problem with him. We had to wait a year to get him, I don't want to wait a year for him to 'settle in'. He's a player with a big reputation at a huge club - he's not an academy graduate. He needs to grasp the opportunity.
 
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We're certainly not in a vacuum. We're in a context informed by the hype about him. Klopp has commented on how reserved he is. I'm reliably informed he wanders around Melwood practically glued to Mane, he often communicates via Mane, he had a stress-related collapse last year - I'd say there's possibly a mental/emotional problem with him. We had to wait a year to get him, I don't want to wait a year for him to 'settle in'. He's a player with a big reputation at a huge club - he's not an academy graduate. He needs to grasp the opportunity.
And he cost 50M+ ... so yeah we have every right to expect something special.
 
We're certainly not in a vacuum. We're in a context informed by the hype about him. Klopp has commented on how reserved he is. I'm reliably informed he wanders around Melwood practically glued to Mane, he often communicates via Mane, he had a stress-related collapse last year - I'd say there's possibly a mental/emotional problem with him. We had to wait a year to get him, I don't want to wait a year for him to 'settle in'. He's a player with a big reputation at a huge club - he's not an academy graduate. He needs to grasp the opportunity.
It's far far too early to be laying into him. 9 PL games + 2 CL + 1 LC and he's only played in half of those, at most. Maybe you should be having a go at Klopp for not playing him more to bed him in .. however looking at the PL table we can't really do that either. Having seen quite a few of his matches/highlights I'm confident that once he does settle in that we will have a top midfielder in our ranks. I'd obviously like that to be here and now but if it takes a whole season so be it, he wouldn't be the first and won't be the last however you don't lose skill like his just by changing leagues.
 
I hope he does great. I really do. But let's not have any illusions about him - he has been complicit in the hype about himself. This is from a profile of him from two months ago:


Naby Keïta would settle down in front of the television, lie back and think of England. It was a routine he would adopt at least once a week, sometimes more.

Training at RB Leipzig had concluded for the day and, while his club-mates set about relaxing, the midfielder headed straight home to forensically dissect another 90 minutes of footage from the Premier League, just as a scout pores over an upcoming opponent to pinpoint their strengths and expose their weaknesses.

Except Keïta was doing it over the team he would be joining.

A move to Anfield had been agreed in August 2017 for the following summer and, as he played out time in the Bundesliga, he was determined to ensure his adaptation to new surroundings would be seamless.

Keïta always had the potential to be a star for Liverpool. But, first, he had to be a student.

“I watched every match. It was going to be important for me,” he says. “The way they played, the tactics, everything. Obviously, I still had the contract with Leipzig and I was focused 100 per cent on helping them but I was watching every game.

“You are fulfilling a dream of coming to a massive club like Liverpool — it is normal you do as much as you can to prepare to be ready from the moment you arrive. I suppose the people I concentrated on the most being a midfielder, and looking at things offensively, was Bobby [Roberto Firmino], Sadio [Mané] and Mo [Salah]. I knew Sadio from Red Bull Salzburg, but I would look at their movements.

“They are all fast, skilful, comfortable on the ball; the speed of the two guys out wide means they want the ball in front of them quite often so they can get in behind.

“Bobby likes to come a little deeper and join in, so he wants it to feet. I knew all this before I came, then, of course, you have to assimilate the manager’s ideas, but I had an idea of how I could help to get the team playing and join in with moves.”




So the "lad" hardly came here with a hankie tied on a stick and a book of nursery rhymes under his arm. He and his agent spent a year registering every company name and commercial venture conceivable, and he came ready to be a super star. And as the comments above suggest, he came ready to make a big impact immediately. So I think people are entitled to be puzzled and concerned about the "lad". For someone who claims he'd studied his future team and role for a year, he sure as hell hasn't looked like it. His performances in Germany were often very exciting, so there's great expectations, but now there is also pressure, and he needs to face up to it. Fabinho didn't chatter away before he came and the fact that he's been judged not ready has been enough to get him dismissed as a failure by some. Keita came announcing he was ready for a regular role and - in contrast - has been excused so fanatically it's almost cultish. He's talked the talk, so he damned well needs to walk the walk.
 
We're certainly not in a vacuum. We're in a context informed by the hype about him. Klopp has commented on how reserved he is. I'm reliably informed he wanders around Melwood practically glued to Mane, he often communicates via Mane, he had a stress-related collapse last year - I'd say there's possibly a mental/emotional problem with him. We had to wait a year to get him, I don't want to wait a year for him to 'settle in'. He's a player with a big reputation at a huge club - he's not an academy graduate. He needs to grasp the opportunity.

I'm no expert on human behaviour, but you can see Sadio Mane handing in a transfer request to get away from the cunt.
 
I hope he does great. I really do. But let's not have any illusions about him - he has been complicit in the hype about himself. This is from a profile of him from two months ago:


Naby Keïta would settle down in front of the television, lie back and think of England. It was a routine he would adopt at least once a week, sometimes more.

Training at RB Leipzig had concluded for the day and, while his club-mates set about relaxing, the midfielder headed straight home to forensically dissect another 90 minutes of footage from the Premier League, just as a scout pores over an upcoming opponent to pinpoint their strengths and expose their weaknesses.

Except Keïta was doing it over the team he would be joining.

A move to Anfield had been agreed in August 2017 for the following summer and, as he played out time in the Bundesliga, he was determined to ensure his adaptation to new surroundings would be seamless.

Keïta always had the potential to be a star for Liverpool. But, first, he had to be a student.

“I watched every match. It was going to be important for me,” he says. “The way they played, the tactics, everything. Obviously, I still had the contract with Leipzig and I was focused 100 per cent on helping them but I was watching every game.

“You are fulfilling a dream of coming to a massive club like Liverpool — it is normal you do as much as you can to prepare to be ready from the moment you arrive. I suppose the people I concentrated on the most being a midfielder, and looking at things offensively, was Bobby [Roberto Firmino], Sadio [Mané] and Mo [Salah]. I knew Sadio from Red Bull Salzburg, but I would look at their movements.

“They are all fast, skilful, comfortable on the ball; the speed of the two guys out wide means they want the ball in front of them quite often so they can get in behind.

“Bobby likes to come a little deeper and join in, so he wants it to feet. I knew all this before I came, then, of course, you have to assimilate the manager’s ideas, but I had an idea of how I could help to get the team playing and join in with moves.”




So the "lad" hardly came here with a hankie tied on a stick and a book of nursery rhymes under his arm. He and his agent spent a year registering every company name and commercial venture conceivable, and he came ready to be a super star. And as the comments above suggest, he came ready to make a big impact immediately. So I think people are entitled to be puzzled and concerned about the "lad". For someone who claims he'd studied his future team and role for a year, he sure as hell hasn't looked like it. His performances in Germany were often very exciting, so there's great expectations, but now there is also pressure, and he needs to face up to it. Fabinho didn't chatter away before he came and the fact that he's been judged not ready has been enough to get him dismissed as a failure by some. Keita came announcing he was ready for a regular role and - in contrast - has been excused so fanatically it's almost cultish. He's talked the talk, so he damned well needs to walk the walk.
What Keita imagined he would be doing and how Klopp has been using him so far could well be two very different things, as could how he is used in the future. I suspect the form of established players such as Gini and Milner has surprised Klopp (and us) and affected how Keita has been used to date. However it's clearly still way way too early to draw any conclusions (or place unfair criticism perhaps) and from his performances so far you can see that not only has he not yet settled in and seems unsure of his position but also that he indeed possesses immense talent, we just hope it doesn't turn out like Pogba.

Whilst it doesn't surprise me in the least that some here are on that impatient super-critic bandwagon, I'm surprised at your criticism because I thought you were one of those that had, and advocated, the patience to give players, young and/or new, time to adjust.
 
Maybe he's not used to the other players bollocking him when he does something wrong and retreated into his shell a bit. Either he stays quiet and introverted as some of his performances have suggested or he grows some balls and imposes himself like he did in Germany. There's now way that Klopp will right him off so we need to have a bit more patience with him and hope he gets some confidence. A goal might help him.
 
Whilst it doesn't surprise me in the least that some here are on that impatient super-critic bandwagon, I'm surprised at your criticism because I thought you were one of those that had, and advocated, the patience to give players, young and/or new, time to adjust.


I don't get your hyper-sensitivity about Keita, seeing as we're talking all things hyper.
 
Haha.. he needs time, but yeah.. he's totally undeserving of the lavish hype and blind faith so far. It's like some are convinced it's a given he'll be amazing, just like how people are equally fickle in giving up on Fabinho, coz he's getting the necessary time to adjust, despite barely seeing him play. I've enough faith in Klopp to know every player will be afforded the necessary indulgence and patience needed, to give them absolutely every opportunity at succeeding. But we had all this over-defensiveness and hysterical rose tintedness over players like Matip, Karius, Klavan, etc. Sometimes you have to call it as it is. He's been a bit of a passenger, wasteful, careless and worryingly not quite there in terms of fitness. That's something that may/should improve over time, but given people spent preseason telling us he'd hit the ground running, it's all a bit underwhelming.

He still feels like someone we've signed early who doesn't arrive for a while yet.
 
Sometimes you have to call it like it is, but not after 2 months. Players adapt differently and the time they use also differs quite a lot.
I'm guessing he's clinging on to Mane seeing as he doesn't know the language that well yet.

Its been some pretty standard new player performances so far. Some very good moments, some average and some very poor. Quite normal.
He's shown in glimpses what he's all about, so given time he'll be boss. No doubt. The quality is easy to see, and Klopp wanted him that much that he signed him a year before he could move. With all the credit we're giving Klopp, thats a massive statement and should give this lad some time with our fan group.

A thread about Naby and his first year is better to start in May 2019.
 
The way he is used hampers his play. He should get to play more freely, like Coutinho.
Invert the midfield trio and use Keita at the apex, or play a bit skewed with one deep-lying one and one of the other two, flanking, further forward.
 
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It's another example of what's been lost from turning the reserve games into youth-specific sessions. Two or three games for the ressies would help him relax, work on his role and get some confidence. Instead he's left doing some work in training, which is okay but there's no substitute for 90 minute workouts in competitive games. Even now, of course, he and Fabinho could get a run-out for the under-23s, but those games aren't really that challenging for the best players, certainly not senior players. I guess Robinson has shown players CAN learn at Melwood but sometimes certain players just need a few games.
 
It's far far too early to be laying into him. 9 PL games + 2 CL + 1 LC and he's only played in half of those, at most. Maybe you should be having a go at Klopp for not playing him more to bed him in .. however looking at the PL table we can't really do that either. Having seen quite a few of his matches/highlights I'm confident that once he does settle in that we will have a top midfielder in our ranks. I'd obviously like that to be here and now but if it takes a whole season so be it, he wouldn't be the first and won't be the last however you don't lose skill like his just by changing leagues.
Too early if he cost the same as Robertson...but for 50M I expect a noticiable action man midfielder not an emotional unstable ... Allah knows what else.
 
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