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Personally I am really glad we're not.

For starters, I think he's trouble. He seems to be causing trouble at Dortmund wanting out. Sure other players do that, as we've seen with Coutinho / Suarez etc, but it doesn't endear me to a player.

Then, I'd worry about changing the attack to fit him in. Mainly because Firmino would need to go from being the main central striker / false 9 etc. To more of a number 10 and I don't see why we'd break that up given he's thriving in that role and so key to us.

Then you factor in his age. He's 28 & will be 29 in June. That just doesn't fit our transfer policy. Which is why we're not going for Sanchez (as well as the ridiculous wages in that case). We're having so much success buying younger players who can still have an impact now and can appreciate in value & performance. Salah, Mane, Ox types. Aubameyang will be expensive and little developing to do as a player and they'll be little to no sell on value given his age.

Also the decline, especially to players where pace is a big part of their game. That occurs around 28 year of age and that is another worry.

So factoring in all the above, I think we're right to be swerving a player who might affect the balance of the team and doesn't fit our transfer policy.

That's a well expressed post, but I disagree with most of it.

While I don't much like the idea of players acting up to push a move through either, it's the reality (however unfortunate) of football today. Van Dijk for example did it to Southampton (though I happen to think their own behaviour was hopelessly hypocritical, but that's another discussion) and, as you say, that wasn't the first time we've encountered this sort of thing. We'll handicap ourselves relative to other top teams if we're too sniffy about it.

I don't agree either that Aubameyang's arrival would automatically see Firmino moved or sidelined. It's very much a squad game these days, and our options need to be of high quality. Aubameyang's arrival would give us that, and then some. He also presses hard from the front in a very similar way, not surprisingly since - on his own admission - it was Klopp who made him the player he is today, plus when he played he'd give opposition teams a major extra goal threat to worry about.

Nor do I agree that the success we're certainly having with younger players means we should restrict ourselves to going only for that age group. The best squads, and the best teams,.include a balance of ages and abilities and, again, Aubameyang would fit well into that overall principle.

Last but not least, I would discount sell-on value altogether as a factor in this discussion. Making that a major consideration is for selling clubs and, Coutinho notwithstanding, I do NOT want us adopting that mindset. If we can get a decent fee when the time comes, great, but for me that is a side issue at best.

For the right money we should absolutely go in hard for Aubameyang, IMHO of course.
 
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That's a well expressed post, but I disagree with most of it.

While I don't much like the idea of players acting up to push a move through, it's the reality (however unfortunate) of football today. Van Dijk for example did it to Southampton (though I happen to think their own behaviour was hopelessly hypocritical, but that's another discussion) and, as you say, that wasn't the first time we've encountered this sort of thing. We'll handicap ourselves relative to other top teams if we're too sniffy about it.

I don't agree either that Aubameyang's arrival would automatically see Firmino moved or sidelined. It's very much a squad game these days, and our options need to be of high quality. Aubameyang's arrival would give us that, and then some. He also presses hard from the front in a very similar way, not surprisingly since - on his own admission - it was Klopp who made him the player he is today, plus when he played he'd give opposition teams a major extra goal threat to worry about.

Nor do I agree that the success we're certainly having with younger players means we should restrict ourselves to going only for that age group. The best squads, and the best teams,.include a balance of ages and abilities and, again, Aubameyang would fit well into that overall principle.

Last but not least, I would discount sell-on value altogether as a factor in this discussion. Making that a major consideration is for selling clubs and, Coutinho notwithstanding, I do NOT want us adopting that mindset. If we can get a decent fee when the time comes, great, but for me that is a side issue at best.

For the right money we should absolutely go in hard for Aubameyang, IMHO of course.

Fair points.

I agree about players forcing a move, it's fairly common now days. But this is a player who teams have been avoiding for a fair while now for a reason. I do question someone who is heavily linked to China, as that is a player who is looking for £££ rather than ambitions in the game.

I agree that he's a quality player & would give us more depth and options, but I just would rather see a player arrive who suited our transfer profile more, like a Werner. Younger, hungrier, can impact now, develop more & will improve under Klopp & then we have a player who will rise in transfer value.

As fans, maybe we shouldn't care about transfer value. But I'm sure Klopp & FSG do & I think it's good that they do. We aren't City who can afford to no care about losing £80m when a player slowly declines over time. We need to be prudent & factor in such things when making moves. I never understand why it's seen as a negative that FSG are looking for value for money, that's a positive for me as it shows we are looking to spend our money wisely. If FSG were taking money out of the club, then that would be different. But they aren't, they're investing the funds again and I love our transfer policy. Signing players like Keita, Salah, Mane are the right profile, right age & tick all the boxes. I don't think this player does and I'd rather sign another player that ticks more of the boxes and it's not like there aren't other players around who can't do that.
 
Good post again. Just to add I'm not one of those who've criticised FSG for looking for value for money - far from it, I've consistently been in their corner when their tenure has come under fire here. But I remain more sceptical than you about the idea that we should only ever buy players who fit one single template - for example I doubt van Dijk would have been signed had that been the case.

As with van Dijk, I also retain my doubts about the line of argument which refers to other players we could sign instead, without actually naming any! What I've seen of Werner for example doesn't convince me that he's in Aubameyang's bracket, but he'd cost a fair bit too and I'm not persuaded it would necessarily pay off. Aubameyang to me would be a much safer bet.

All abaht opinions innit, Brian? 😉
 
Good post again. Just to add I'm not one of those who've criticised FSG for looking for value for money - far from it, I've consistently been in their corner when their tenure has come under fire here. But I remain more sceptical than you about the idea that we should only ever buy players who fit one single template - for example I doubt van Dijk would have been signed had that been the case.

As with van Dijk, I also retain my doubts about the line of argument which refers to other players we could sign instead, without actually naming any! What I've seen of Werner for example doesn't convince me that he's in Aubameyang's bracket, but he'd cost a fair bit too and I'm not persuaded it would necessarily pay off. Aubameyang to me would be a much safer bet.

All abaht opinions innit, Brian? 😉

Van Dijk I think is a unique signing as there are not many top class CBs around who we could attract, are around the right age to play for 5+ years and have the skillset we required. So it was worth waiting & paying the premium, given our needs & the lack of options.

Compare it to the wide players we've targeted under Klopp. I think Klopp would have been happy to get any of Dembele, Draxler, Brandt, Pulisic, Mane, Salah... etc etc. Some might be better than others - but all seem quality options and we got two.

I don't think the CB pool was anywhere near that.

I think when judging Werner, Lemar types who we are targeting. We need to remember that they might be more effective in our team than the one they are currently in. Klopp has improved our attacking players vastly. I'm sure many people had fears about Mane before he signed, but he looked a totally different player under Klopp. Even Ox recently, was not a popular signing, but he's showing he has a lot of the attributes Klopp wants and he looks a much better player for us than he did at Arsenal. 3 goals so far, more than he's ever scored for Arsenal in a season and he's only had a handful of games.

I'm not doubting [bcolor=transparent]Aubameyang[/bcolor]'s quality. If he signed I think he'd be great. But I think there are others who can be just as effective, like Werner, who can have similar impacts, grow and then we have a much younger player, on less wages and who can be equally as effective and who's value is much great looking a head in 4 years time.

I know the short term can take care of the long term. But I think it's prudent to look at both, given our resources.

If we were Man U, then it would be different. They have more resources and can take great financial risks in the short term, such as Sanchez or [bcolor=transparent]Aubameyang[/bcolor]. If they don't come off, they'll be fine financially. But we need to box clever and I think we're right with that approach and I think it's proving dividends with Salah, Keita & Mane. Some players we might overpay if they're few alternatives and we feel they'd make that much of an impact. But I fancy our recruitment team to find the next [bcolor=transparent]Aubameyang, rather than buying the existing older and more expensive one.[/bcolor]
 
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An injury or suspension to Firmino & Mane/Salah & we'd be a much lesser side for it.

In fact it's easy to argue losing one of those three currently would seriously blunt our attack, & when Klopp so aggressively rotated it was clear at times we need the pace & threat of all three to get past teams.

Yep. Along with attacking re-inforcements, we need a new 'keeper and a better deep-lying midfielder than Henderson.
 
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An injury or suspension to Firmino & Mane/Salah & we'd be a much lesser side for it.

In fact it's easy to argue losing one of those three currently would seriously blunt our attack, & when Klopp so aggressively rotated it was clear at times we need the pace & threat of all three to get past teams.
I think we're fucked if Salah gets properly injured.
 
Not seen anything saying otherwise.

Read a lot suggesting they haven't.

The next set of accounts will be interesting. But I've not heard they have. Have you?

No, the accounts have gotten incredibly vague and I can't make out whats going on.
 
If that happened then we would need Kane to pick up a similar injury at the same time to keep a top 4 place.
I see your point, but I wasn't thinking purely about the goals. It's more of the kind of outlet we have when we're under pressure or are going for a counter attack.
 
Yep. Along with attacking re-inforcements, we need a new 'keeper and a better deep-lying midfielder than Henderson.

In order to improve overall in the long term, I agree - especially for a title challenge.

Don't think it is needed to come top 4, although strengthening would help.

I really like Henderson, I hope in the summer we consider bringing a player more suited to that role and then use Henderson more as a box to box player, where he's best. Although probably more of a squad option than a 1st team regular.

I don't get it when both Henderson and Can play together, Can is the box to box player and Henderson the deeper one. I think both are better in the opposite roles.

But as fans we can always improve, after those three then people will want other additions. Fans always want more, nothing wrong with that as we should always look to improve.

But the squad is fine to get Top 4 IMO.
 
I hope you're right, and that we're not an injury to one of the front three away from being a little impotent.

Yeah, but it was the same last season and I think we're stronger this season.

Last season the attack was mainly Mane, Coutinho, Firmino, Lallana.

This season we have Mane, Firmino, Lallana, Salah & Ox.

Salah showing he can play central has really been a boost as well as for me otherwise Firmino would be indispensable. But Salah could cover that role IMO.

An extra player would be a boost though. I also really like Solanke, hope he gets a goal soon to give him a boost.
 
Maybe we're getting De Vrij on a free transfer
That would be a fantastic signing.
However, that would also mean having three alphas competing for two positions.
Matip, VD and De Vrij...Good options though.
 
We're not getting a Hendo replacement are we?
I mean, sure Keita but I see him in a CM role.
Klopp seems to still rate Hendo, and I really , really, don't want us to start he next season with him as our first option.
 
In order to improve overall in the long term, I agree - especially for a title challenge.

Don't think it is needed to come top 4, although strengthening would help.

I really like Henderson, I hope in the summer we consider bringing a player more suited to that role and then use Henderson more as a box to box player, where he's best. Although probably more of a squad option than a 1st team regular.

I don't get it when both Henderson and Can play together, Can is the box to box player and Henderson the deeper one. I think both are better in the opposite roles.

But as fans we can always improve, after those three then people will want other additions. Fans always want more, nothing wrong with that as we should always look to improve.

But the squad is fine to get Top 4 IMO.
It's too soon for confidence in that Top 4 spot yet given how tight it is and when we only just scraped it last season.We may well get it again.It's going to the wire.We will need to not run out of steam and not to reinforce is really a needless and reckless gamble when we have just banked what we have banked.
 
It's too soon for confidence in that Top 4 spot yet given how tight it is and when we only just scraped it last season.We may well get it again.It's going to the wire.We will need to not run out of steam and not to reinforce is really a needless and reckless gamble when we have just banked what we have banked.

Not saying we are a shoe in to finish Top 4.

I'm saying we are capable of finishing Top 4 with the current squad.

Didn't say I wouldn't welcome a boost and of course it would help. But only if the right player is available.
 
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